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Analog Devices strikes again :(

2010-03-11 by Paul Schreiber

Analog Devices has just *obsoleted* 3 critical parts used in MOTM modules:

SSM2210PZ NPN array (440/490)
SSM2220PZ PNP array (420/440/480)
MAT-02EH NPN array (300/310)

What does this mean?

a) prices for the above modules and Extra Parts kits have increased 
effective immediately, because........

b) I now have to buy these parts on the 'gray market'. They are *still 
available* but NOT from standard suppliers like DigiKey & Mouser. This 
means.......

c) the price of these just went up 50-75%.

d) all orders that have already been placed will ship at the original price. 
These backorders will pretty much deplete the stock I have, so I'm in the 
process as we speak getting quotes for these parts. It will not be pretty :(

e) ADI claims that *at some point* (cough) there will be "drop-in" 
replacements for the 2210/220 but *only in SMT*. There is a *planned* 
(double cough) MAT-02EH replacement still in the metal can.

I'm doing all I can to support these 10+ years old designs, but man is it 
getting harder and harder :(

Paul S.

Re: [motm] Analog Devices strikes again :(

2010-03-11 by Andre Majorel

On 2010-03-11 10:32 -0600, Paul Schreiber wrote:

> Analog Devices has just *obsoleted* 3 critical parts used in
> MOTM modules:
> 
> SSM2210PZ NPN array (440/490)
> SSM2220PZ PNP array (420/440/480)
> MAT-02EH NPN array (300/310)

Not sure if they're as good but there's the LS358 dual PNP and
LS318 dual NPN (the latter reportedly 50+4.40 USD direct from
Linear Systems).

  http://linearsystems.com/datasheets/LS318.pdf
  http://linearsystems.com/datasheets/LS358.pdf

-- 
Andr\ufffd Majorel http://www.teaser.fr/~amajorel/

Re: [motm] Analog Devices strikes again :(

2010-03-11 by Argitoth

Hey Paul, In the far future, will you be forced to end up:

A. redesigning, but keeping DIY alive

B. redesigning, but no longer available for DIY

C. be unable to produce certain modules

In the far future, will certain filter modules no longer sound as good? Will the oscillators not sound as good or be as stable?

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On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Andre Majorel <aym-htnys@...> wrote:

On 2010-03-11 10:32 -0600, Paul Schreiber wrote:

> Analog Devices has just *obsoleted* 3 critical parts used in
> MOTM modules:
>
> SSM2210PZ NPN array (440/490)
> SSM2220PZ PNP array (420/440/480)
> MAT-02EH NPN array (300/310)

Not sure if they're as good but there's the LS358 dual PNP and
LS318 dual NPN (the latter reportedly 50+4.40 USD direct from
Linear Systems).

http://linearsystems.com/datasheets/LS318.pdf
http://linearsystems.com/datasheets/LS358.pdf

--
André Majorel http://www.teaser.fr/~amajorel/

--
www.elanhickler.com

Re: Analog Devices strikes again :(

2010-03-11 by russma04

That sucks. What we need is whatever technological advances are necessary for someone to clone and self-manufacture IC's.

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...> wrote:

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>
> Analog Devices has just *obsoleted* 3 critical parts used in MOTM modules:
> 
> SSM2210PZ NPN array (440/490)
> SSM2220PZ PNP array (420/440/480)
> MAT-02EH NPN array (300/310)
> 
> What does this mean?
> 
> a) prices for the above modules and Extra Parts kits have increased 
> effective immediately, because........
> 
> b) I now have to buy these parts on the 'gray market'. They are *still 
> available* but NOT from standard suppliers like DigiKey & Mouser. This 
> means.......
> 
> c) the price of these just went up 50-75%.
> 
> d) all orders that have already been placed will ship at the original price. 
> These backorders will pretty much deplete the stock I have, so I'm in the 
> process as we speak getting quotes for these parts. It will not be pretty :(
> 
> e) ADI claims that *at some point* (cough) there will be "drop-in" 
> replacements for the 2210/220 but *only in SMT*. There is a *planned* 
> (double cough) MAT-02EH replacement still in the metal can.
> 
> I'm doing all I can to support these 10+ years old designs, but man is it 
> getting harder and harder :(
> 
> Paul S.
>

Re: [motm] Re: Analog Devices strikes again :(

2010-03-11 by Kyle Stephens

Well, this came up on the SDIY list a minute ago:

http://hackaday.com/2010/03/10/jeri-makes-integrated-circuits/

And otherwise I go to school a little ways down the street from AD intergalactic headquarters - "Hey, wait, keep these following ICs in production, please...!" I wish :[


_Kyle

--- On Thu, 3/11/10, russma04 <russm@...> wrote:

From: russma04 <russm@w-link.net>
Subject: [motm] Re: Analog Devices strikes again :(
To: motm@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 10:33 AM







 



  


    
      
      
      That sucks. What we need is whatever technological advances are necessary for someone to clone and self-manufacture IC's.



--- In motm@yahoogroups. com, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...> wrote:

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>

> Analog Devices has just *obsoleted* 3 critical parts used in MOTM modules:

> 

> SSM2210PZ NPN array (440/490)

> SSM2220PZ PNP array (420/440/480)

> MAT-02EH NPN array (300/310)

> 

> What does this mean?

> 

> a) prices for the above modules and Extra Parts kits have increased 

> effective immediately, because..... ...

> 

> b) I now have to buy these parts on the 'gray market'. They are *still 

> available* but NOT from standard suppliers like DigiKey & Mouser. This 

> means.......

> 

> c) the price of these just went up 50-75%.

> 

> d) all orders that have already been placed will ship at the original price. 

> These backorders will pretty much deplete the stock I have, so I'm in the 

> process as we speak getting quotes for these parts. It will not be pretty :(

> 

> e) ADI claims that *at some point* (cough) there will be "drop-in" 

> replacements for the 2210/220 but *only in SMT*. There is a *planned* 

> (double cough) MAT-02EH replacement still in the metal can.

> 

> I'm doing all I can to support these 10+ years old designs, but man is it 

> getting harder and harder :(

> 

> Paul S.

>

Re: [motm] Re: Analog Devices strikes again :(

2010-03-11 by blacet@blacet.com

--It's called "China". Three billion people looking for work.

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> That sucks. What we need is whatever technological advances are necessary
> for someone to clone and self-manufacture IC's.
>
> --- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...> wrote:
>>
>> Analog Devices has just *obsoleted* 3 critical parts used in MOTM
>> modules:
>>
>> SSM2210PZ NPN array (440/490)
>> SSM2220PZ PNP array (420/440/480)
>> MAT-02EH NPN array (300/310)
>>
>> What does this mean?
>>
>> a) prices for the above modules and Extra Parts kits have increased
>> effective immediately, because........
>>
>> b) I now have to buy these parts on the 'gray market'. They are *still
>> available* but NOT from standard suppliers like DigiKey & Mouser. This
>> means.......
>>
>> c) the price of these just went up 50-75%.
>>
>> d) all orders that have already been placed will ship at the original
>> price.
>> These backorders will pretty much deplete the stock I have, so I'm in
>> the
>> process as we speak getting quotes for these parts. It will not be
>> pretty :(
>>
>> e) ADI claims that *at some point* (cough) there will be "drop-in"
>> replacements for the 2210/220 but *only in SMT*. There is a *planned*
>> (double cough) MAT-02EH replacement still in the metal can.
>>
>> I'm doing all I can to support these 10+ years old designs, but man is
>> it
>> getting harder and harder :(
>>
>> Paul S.
>>
>
>
>

Re: [motm] Analog Devices strikes again :(

2010-03-12 by John Mahoney

At 01:14 PM 3/11/2010, Argitoth wrote:
>...
>In the far future, will certain filter modules no longer sound as 
>good? Will the oscillators not sound as good or be as stable?

Because of SMT? No and no. The silicon inside of SMDs is exactly the 
same as that in through-hole components.

If you mean because of component substitutions, I think that's also a 
"no and no," because tolerances seem to be getting tighter, not looser.

Just my opinion, easily wrong.

John

Re: [motm] Analog Devices strikes again :(

2010-03-12 by Dave Manley

THAT Corp.

--- On Thu, 3/11/10, John Mahoney <jmahoney@...> wrote:

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From: John Mahoney <jmahoney@...>
Subject: Re: [motm] Analog Devices strikes again :(
To: motm@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 4:44 PM

      At 01:14 PM 3/11/2010, Argitoth wrote:

>...

>In the far future, will certain filter modules no longer sound as 

>good? Will the oscillators not sound as good or be as stable?

Because of SMT? No and no. The silicon inside of SMDs is exactly the 

same as that in through-hole components.

If you mean because of component substitutions, I think that's also a 

"no and no," because tolerances seem to be getting tighter, not looser.

Just my opinion, easily wrong.

John

Re: [motm] Analog Devices strikes again :(

2010-03-12 by Paul Schreiber

It will be at least a year away if I decide to redesign current boards in 
SMT. There are still plenty of these ADI parts "floating aound", just like 
the CA3080s and CA3280s. You just have to pay the piper.

The MOTM-510 WaveWarper will be redesigned but with added features and that 
will be SMT.

I still sell lots of blank pc boards so there is no great rush to convert 
over. I mean, TYCO has raised the price of the MOTM knob from 63 cents to 
almost $2 in 12 years. And it's a knob from 1963. But think about it: who 
the heck uses *pointer knobs* anymore? It's all touch screens or tact 
switches or rotary encoders.

Paul S.

Re: Analog Devices strikes again :(

2010-03-13 by peter_ivens

Hey Paul,

isn't there an alternative we can use for the MAT-02EH?
Can we use a MAT-02CH or BH instead?

Peter

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...> wrote:

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>
> Analog Devices has just *obsoleted* 3 critical parts used in MOTM modules:
> 
> SSM2210PZ NPN array (440/490)
> SSM2220PZ PNP array (420/440/480)
> MAT-02EH NPN array (300/310)
> 
> What does this mean?
> 
> a) prices for the above modules and Extra Parts kits have increased 
> effective immediately, because........
> 
> b) I now have to buy these parts on the 'gray market'. They are *still 
> available* but NOT from standard suppliers like DigiKey & Mouser. This 
> means.......
> 
> c) the price of these just went up 50-75%.
> 
> d) all orders that have already been placed will ship at the original price. 
> These backorders will pretty much deplete the stock I have, so I'm in the 
> process as we speak getting quotes for these parts. It will not be pretty :(
> 
> e) ADI claims that *at some point* (cough) there will be "drop-in" 
> replacements for the 2210/220 but *only in SMT*. There is a *planned* 
> (double cough) MAT-02EH replacement still in the metal can.
> 
> I'm doing all I can to support these 10+ years old designs, but man is it 
> getting harder and harder :(
> 
> Paul S.
>