MOTM

Hey John,

Didn't you post something about the rack cases you use for your MOTM modular? I can't seem to find the posts from this year where yuo mentioned the brand. Maybe it was on one of the other groups. Anyway, looking to get at least 1 for now, several more in the future, but I remember the prices being very good for the brand you found.

I think they were 10-1/2" deep. Do they fit power supply and modules easily? Any info would be appreciated as I'd like to get something put together before the Dallas area MOK.

Thanks,
Erik

On 11.06.2009, at 14:37, djxpat wrote:

> Hey John,
>
> Didn't you post something about the rack cases you use for your MOTM
> modular? I can't seem to find the posts from this year where yuo
> mentioned the brand. Maybe it was on one of the other groups.
> Anyway, looking to get at least 1 for now, several more in the
> future, but I remember the prices being very good for the brand you
> found.

http://pugix.com/synth/portable-rack-cabinets/

i think you meant this here ?

--jan

Hi Erik,

They are EWI Tourcase from Audiopile:
http://www.audiopile.net/products/Cases/RE_series_roadcases/RUE_Case_product
s_page.htm

I originally heard about them on Richard Brewster's site:
http://pugix.com/synth/portable-rack-cabinets/


Here's a couple related threads on Muff's forum:

First pics:
http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1616

Screwing around with screws:
http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1768

Power supplies:
http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2628&highlight=motm

Recent picture of system in this thread:
http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1589&postdays=0&postorder=a
sc&start=200


Best of luck!
John L Rice


-----Original Message-----
From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of djxpat
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:38 AM
To: motm@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [motm] paging John Rice - stackable rack cases

Hey John,

Didn't you post something about the rack cases you use for your MOTM
modular? I can't seem to find the posts from this year where yuo mentioned
the brand. Maybe it was on one of the other groups. Anyway, looking to get
at least 1 for now, several more in the future, but I remember the prices
being very good for the brand you found.

I think they were 10-1/2" deep. Do they fit power supply and modules easily?
Any info would be appreciated as I'd like to get something put together
before the Dallas area MOK.

Thanks,
Erik



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Yahoo! Groups Links

I think this is what you're looking for:

http://www.audiopile.net/products/Cases/RUE-10_series_rack_cases/R6UE-10/R6UE-10_cutsheet.asp

I have one that I'd like to get rid of only because I don't travel much
with my system and prefer a wider cabinet, but it's probably not worth
it to ship from here to Dallas.

Dave

djxpat wrote:

>
>
>
> Hey John,
>
> Didn't you post something about the rack cases you use for your MOTM
> modular? I can't seem to find the posts from this year where yuo
> mentioned the brand. Maybe it was on one of the other groups. Anyway,
> looking to get at least 1 for now, several more in the future, but I
> remember the prices being very good for the brand you found.
>
> I think they were 10-1/2" deep. Do they fit power supply and modules
> easily? Any info would be appreciated as I'd like to get something put
> together before the Dallas area MOK.
>
> Thanks,
> Erik
>

Thanks for the links and info. Looks like you've got all MOTM and Oakley together and Dotcom in other cases.

What about mixing and matching? I know they aren't exactly the same size, but if I wanted to put both Dotcom panelled modules and MOTM panelled modules in the same rack frames, could I? Would the hole line up on either the MOTM rails or the Dotcom rails? I'm so used to pushing everything together in the MDF case, that I forgot about whether anything would line up. I don't care about gaps (for now), but just lining up modules.

My plan was to install a Dotcom power supply (is QPS3 too big to fit the rack case?) and attach the MOTM 995 board then mix and match. I would couple to other cases using Dotcom harnesses and cables (eventually plan at least 4 to 6). Will this work? Should I really have a separate power supply for every cabinet? Doesn't that get really heavy/expensive?

Also, any tips on mounting the power supply and 995? Just drill some holes in the bottom and use screws and washers? What studs do you recommend for mounting the 995 board?

Running out of room in the Dotcom entry system, and I want to start building some MOTM modules, so I need more room. Paul, I still want a 730, but I'm saving a little every week.

Erik



----- Original Message ----
From: John L Rice <drummer@...>
To: djxpat <djxpat@...>; motm@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 8:30:19 AM
Subject: RE: [motm] paging John Rice - stackable rack cases

Hi Erik,

They are EWI Tourcase from Audiopile:
http://www.audiopile.net/products/Cases/RE_series_roadcases/RUE_Case_product
s_page.htm

I originally heard about them on Richard Brewster's site:
http://pugix.com/synth/portable-rack-cabinets/


Here's a couple related threads on Muff's forum:

First pics:
http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1616

Screwing around with screws:
http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1768

Power supplies:
http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2628&highlight=motm

Recent picture of system in this thread:
http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1589&postdays=0&postorder=a
sc&start=200


Best of luck!
John L Rice

On 2009-06-11 09:59 -0700, Erik Ribeiro wrote:

> What about mixing and matching? I know they aren't exactly the
> same size, but if I wanted to put both Dotcom panelled modules
> and MOTM panelled modules in the same rack frames, could I?
> Would the hole line up on either the MOTM rails or the Dotcom
> rails?

That's the question, isn't it ? I don't know the answer but, even
if the latitudes match, the longitudes won't as the unit widths
differ.

If you have a mainly Arrick system, here's an easy -- if ugly --
solution.

1. Cut two h x d x l pieces of wood where
- h = the height of an Arrick mounting rail (on the order of 1 cm),
- d = just enough wood to screw a wood screw in (say that ten
times fast), probably between 1 and 2 cm,
- l = the sum of all your MOTM modules' widths, rounded up to
the closest multiple of 2.125", E.G. for 10 U, 19.125".

2. Position the pieces of wood as if they were mounting rails and
carefully line up your MOTM modules on top of them. Mark where
the MOTM fixing holes are.

3. Take one piece of wood and line it up with either end of an
Arrick mounting rail. Make a few marks along the wood where
there is an Arrick hole but no MOTM hole. Do the same with the
other piece of wood. Drill holes at the marks. Screw both
pieces of wood to their respective rails with countersunk head
machine screws (or the original cheese/pan head machine screws
but then you'll have to counter bore the holes so the heads
doon't protrude from the wood).

4. Fasten the MOTM modules to the pieces of wood with cheese head
or pan head wood screws. (Countersunk head screws will work but
will take you to a new level of ugliness.)

--
André Majorel <URL:http://www.teaser.fr/~amajorel/>

Hi Erik,

The hole alignment is different for MOTM and DotCom modules and the rails a
machine threaded metal so it's not really easy to mix and match. But, if you
get one of the 10U or taller cases like I have, you can put one set of MOTM
rails and one DotCom frame in it. If you have an even number of each type of
module then this would be the easiest way to go.

If you need more mixing matching freedom, you might want to make your own
rails out of some metal l-brackets and pieces of wood. (I'd call them
"U-Rails" and sell them if I was more motivated and not so overwhelmed with
stuff I'm behind on! ;-) I've never tried to make them but the design is
easy and cheap and should work well (but a little hard to explain here)

Follow the links:

For each U-Rail (two required per module row) you'll need two metal
L-brackets. Take a look at this nice construction page for a Halloween ghost
thingy. About 1/4 of the way down are two pictures: one of L-brackets being
cut in a vice and one of 4 cut brackets.
http://www.modd3d.com/articles/item/rooftop-flying-crank-ghost---part-1

This is exactly what you would need for one set of my U-Rails. Basically you
want to cut off enough metal on one end of each bracket so that you can pass
a screw through the remaining hole and mount it to the rack rail (with the
longer end of the l-bracket pointing into the rack). Then just carefully
measure the distance between the brackets and cut a couple of pieces of wood
that will fit perfectly between the brackets (maybe try pine wood first to
see how it goes?). I would use wood wide enough so that you can attach it to
the brackets with two screws at each end for stability. Make sure the
thickness of the wood isn't any greater than the MOTM rails or DotCom frame.
You could also possible save a little money and time by making a special
double thickness rail ("U-Rail2X"! ;`) for the middle of the rack to attach
the top of the modules for the bottom row and the bottom of the modules for
the top row. (use just 2 brackets but double thickness wood)

Hopefully you get the idea and if you have basic wood/metal working tools
and skills it should be a very easy project. (or get a skilled buddy to help
if not) I say again, I haven't tried to make these so I can't promise it
will be easy or even work because I may be overlooking something etc.


A separate power supply in each rack is much more expensive and yes each
rack weighs more so you can just put one big one in one case and then
connect the others with multi-pin connectors. The down side is that you
always have to take the rack with the power supply in it, even if you don't
need the modules that are in it. There are other minor pros/cons to each way
of doing it so read up on what other people have said in various forums. I
started out thinking that I was just going to use one supply for all of my
racks . . .and then when it came time to connect my second rack I realized I
had under estimated the size of the supply I was going to need plus I got
stalled out on trying to decide on connectors, cable lengths etc. so I
finally decided to just give each rack its own supply!

Your Dotcom power supply shouldn't be a problem but if a MOTM module is too
deep just put DotCom modules in front of it instead.

If it was me I would mount the power supply like I did in my racks! ;-) Very
similar to how Richard Brewster originally did it (thanks once again
Richard! :-) See our links and ask questions if it isn't clear. To mount
the 995 I used the same size screws that are used to mount MOTM modules but
they are slightly too big in diameter so I had to drill out the 995 mounting
holes a bit.

Best of luck!

John L Rice

-----Original Message-----
From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Erik
Ribeiro
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:00 AM
To: motm@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [motm] stackable rack cases


Thanks for the links and info. Looks like you've got all MOTM and
Oakley together and Dotcom in other cases.

What about mixing and matching? I know they aren't exactly the same size,
but if I wanted to put both Dotcom panelled modules and MOTM panelled
modules in the same rack frames, could I? Would the hole line up on either
the MOTM rails or the Dotcom rails? I'm so used to pushing everything
together in the MDF case, that I forgot about whether anything would line
up. I don't care about gaps (for now), but just lining up modules.

My plan was to install a Dotcom power supply (is QPS3 too big to fit the
rack case?) and attach the MOTM 995 board then mix and match. I would couple
to other cases using Dotcom harnesses and cables (eventually plan at least 4
to 6). Will this work? Should I really have a separate power supply for
every cabinet? Doesn't that get really heavy/expensive?

Also, any tips on mounting the power supply and 995? Just drill some holes
in the bottom and use screws and washers? What studs do you recommend for
mounting the 995 board?

Running out of room in the Dotcom entry system, and I want to start building
some MOTM modules, so I need more room. Paul, I still want a 730, but I'm
saving a little every week.

Erik



----- Original Message ----
From: John L Rice <drummer@...>
To: djxpat <djxpat@...>; motm@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 8:30:19 AM
Subject: RE: [motm] paging John Rice - stackable rack cases

Hi Erik,

They are EWI Tourcase from Audiopile:
http://www.audiopile.net/products/Cases/RE_series_roadcases/RUE_Case_product
s_page.htm

I originally heard about them on Richard Brewster's site:
http://pugix.com/synth/portable-rack-cabinets/


Here's a couple related threads on Muff's forum:

First pics:
http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1616

Screwing around with screws:
http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1768

Power supplies:
http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2628&highlight=motm

Recent picture of system in this thread:
http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1589&postdays=0&postorder=a
sc&start=200


Best of luck!
John L Rice


------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links

>The hole alignment is different for MOTM and DotCom modules and the rails a
>machine threaded metal so it's not really easy to mix and match. But, if you
>get one of the 10U or taller cases like I have, you can put one set of MOTM
>rails and one DotCom frame in it. If you have an even number of each type of
>module then this would be the easiest way to go.

[snip]

Actually, you get 8 dotcom spaces per row vs. 11 (I think) MOTM spaces.

John

Thanks so much for the extended email. I think for now, I will mount a supply in the case. I'll probably do one row of MOTM and one dotcom. I'd like to have a separate supply for when I test modules I've built, so I don't have to tear apart every time I want to test. Eventually, I will get a QPS 3 and mount it in it's own case. I think the goal will be to power multiple racks. But I won't mind having 1 or 2 with their own power for when I want to travel with it. I even considered asking Audiopile (EWI) if they can do the shockmount cases in 10-space. I don't need (or want) everything to be shock-mounted. It's nice to have modules as close together as possible. But travel can be rough on gear, even local travel.

Anyway, thanks again! I always appreciate your experience and words of wisdom.

Erik



----- Original Message ----
From: John L Rice <drummer@...>
To: Erik Ribeiro <djxpat@...>; motm@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:53:17 PM
Subject: RE: [motm] stackable rack cases

Hi Erik,

The hole alignment is different for MOTM and DotCom modules and the rails a
machine threaded metal so it's not really easy to mix and match. But, if you
get one of the 10U or taller cases like I have, you can put one set of MOTM
rails and one DotCom frame in it. If you have an even number of each type of
module then this would be the easiest way to go.

If you need more mixing matching freedom, you might want to make your own
rails out of some metal l-brackets and pieces of wood. (I'd call them
"U-Rails" and sell them if I was more motivated and not so overwhelmed with
stuff I'm behind on! ;-) I've never tried to make them but the design is
easy and cheap and should work well (but a little hard to explain here)

Follow the links:

For each U-Rail (two required per module row) you'll need two metal
L-brackets. Take a look at this nice construction page for a Halloween ghost
thingy. About 1/4 of the way down are two pictures: one of L-brackets being
cut in a vice and one of 4 cut brackets.
http://www.modd3d.com/articles/item/rooftop-flying-crank-ghost---part-1

This is exactly what you would need for one set of my U-Rails. Basically you
want to cut off enough metal on one end of each bracket so that you can pass
a screw through the remaining hole and mount it to the rack rail (with the
longer end of the l-bracket pointing into the rack). Then just carefully
measure the distance between the brackets and cut a couple of pieces of wood
that will fit perfectly between the brackets (maybe try pine wood first to
see how it goes?). I would use wood wide enough so that you can attach it to
the brackets with two screws at each end for stability. Make sure the
thickness of the wood isn't any greater than the MOTM rails or DotCom frame.
You could also possible save a little money and time by making a special
double thickness rail ("U-Rail2X"! ;`) for the middle of the rack to attach
the top of the modules for the bottom row and the bottom of the modules for
the top row. (use just 2 brackets but double thickness wood)

Hopefully you get the idea and if you have basic wood/metal working tools
and skills it should be a very easy project. (or get a skilled buddy to help
if not) I say again, I haven't tried to make these so I can't promise it
will be easy or even work because I may be overlooking something etc.


A separate power supply in each rack is much more expensive and yes each
rack weighs more so you can just put one big one in one case and then
connect the others with multi-pin connectors. The down side is that you
always have to take the rack with the power supply in it, even if you don't
need the modules that are in it. There are other minor pros/cons to each way
of doing it so read up on what other people have said in various forums. I
started out thinking that I was just going to use one supply for all of my
racks . . .and then when it came time to connect my second rack I realized I
had under estimated the size of the supply I was going to need plus I got
stalled out on trying to decide on connectors, cable lengths etc. so I
finally decided to just give each rack its own supply!

Your Dotcom power supply shouldn't be a problem but if a MOTM module is too
deep just put DotCom modules in front of it instead.

If it was me I would mount the power supply like I did in my racks! ;-) Very
similar to how Richard Brewster originally did it (thanks once again
Richard! :-) See our links and ask questions if it isn't clear. To mount
the 995 I used the same size screws that are used to mount MOTM modules but
they are slightly too big in diameter so I had to drill out the 995 mounting
holes a bit.

Best of luck!

John L Rice

John -

I have a 3-rack setup, and I agree that patching is no different than it would be in a single cabinet, providing that

-- you distribute modules logically between rack cabinets, and
-- you have a selection of cable lengths appropriate to your layout

All the complexities I've found in setting up this synth were literally on the back end, in having to rig 1 or more discrete power supplies for each rack cabinet. Once that was settled, it was like I had one big cabinet (though I could also use individual cabinets separately for smaller projects or, or to take a single cabinet to a studio or live gig, if one came up).

JN

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "John L Rice" <Drummer@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Jim,
>
>
>
> No, although I've never had the luxury of a big beautiful wooden studio case
> (maybe someday ;-) I'm pretty sure patching between cases is no different
> than patching to modules that are all in one case. The EWI cases I have
> stack and sit very close together so the distance from the right most module
> in the left rack to the left most module in the right rack is only 1U to 2U.
> I'll try to put up a picture of a current patch I have going later. There
> are a couple of my YouTube videos where you can see patching between racks I
> think: http://www.youtube.com/JohnLRice
>
>
>
> John L Rice
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Jim Black [mailto:black_man_music@...]
> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:38 PM
> To: motm@yahoogroups.com; John L Rice
> Subject: RE: [motm] paging John Rice - stackable rack cases
>
>
>
>
> John -
>
>
>
> I currently have a studio rack which provides 4 rows, but the button row is
> near the floor - so I am considering "starting over" w/ a rack case.
>
>
>
> The cases you use... do you find it a hassle to patch modules which are in
> separate rack cases? Thanks!
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 6/11/09, John L Rice <Drummer@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: John L Rice <Drummer@...>
> Subject: RE: [motm] paging John Rice - stackable rack cases
> To: "'djxpat'" <djxpat@...>, motm@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 9:30 AM
>
>
>
> Hi Erik,
>
> They are EWI Tourcase from Audiopile:
> http://www.audiopil e.net/products/ Cases/RE_ series_roadcases
> <http://www.audiopile.net/products/Cases/RE_series_roadcases/RUE_Case_produc
> t> /RUE_Case_ product
> s_page.htm
>
> I originally heard about them on Richard Brewster's site:
> http://pugix. <http://pugix.com/synth/portable-rack-cabinets/> com/synth/
> portable- rack-cabinets/
>
> Here's a couple related threads on Muff's forum:
>
> First pics:
> http://www.muffwigg ler.com/forum/ viewtopic. php?t=1616
> <http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1616>
>
> Screwing around with screws:
> http://www.muffwigg ler.com/forum/ viewtopic. php?t=1768
> <http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1768>
>
> Power supplies:
> http://www.muffwigg ler.com/forum/ viewtopic. php?t=2628
> <http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2628&highlight=motm> &
> highlight= motm
>
> Recent picture of system in this thread:
> http://www.muffwigg ler.com/forum/ viewtopic. php?t=1589
> <http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1589&postdays=0&postorder=
> a> & postdays= 0&postorder= a
> sc&start=200
>
> Best of luck!
> John L Rice
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: motm@yahoogroups. com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
> djxpat
> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:38 AM
> To: motm@yahoogroups. com
> Subject: [motm] paging John Rice - stackable rack cases
>
> Hey John,
>
> Didn't you post something about the rack cases you use for your MOTM
> modular? I can't seem to find the posts from this year where yuo mentioned
> the brand. Maybe it was on one of the other groups. Anyway, looking to get
> at least 1 for now, several more in the future, but I remember the prices
> being very good for the brand you found.
>
> I think they were 10-1/2" deep. Do they fit power supply and modules easily?
> Any info would be appreciated as I'd like to get something put together
> before the Dallas area MOK.
>
> Thanks,
> Erik
>
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