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On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 12:20 AM, John L Rice <drummer@...> wrote:
> Semiconductors mostly. (chips and transistors etc.) Some are more sensitive
> than others but just use common sense and you should be fine. Lots of info
> on the web. This video may interest you:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NX7eS7dtFk
>
> John L Rice
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Argitoth
> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 10:40 PM
> To: motm@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [motm] Can static electricity damage components?
>
> When I'm doing my first DIY project, what kind of parts are sensitive
> to static electricity?
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On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 1:34 AM, Argitoth <argitoth@...> wrote:
> If you cut the lead before you solder, how can the component stay in place?
>
> On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 1:28 AM, John L Rice <drummer@...> wrote:
>> Make sure you watch this soldering video, it is really well done!
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_NU2ruzyc4
>>
>> John L Rice
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
>> Argitoth
>> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 11:44 PM
>> To: motm@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [motm] Can static electricity damage components?
>>
>> thanks, I'll watch the soldering videos too.
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 12:20 AM, John L Rice <drummer@...> wrote:
>>> Semiconductors mostly. (chips and transistors etc.) Some are more
>> sensitive
>>> than others but just use common sense and you should be fine. Lots of info
>>> on the web. This video may interest you:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NX7eS7dtFk
>>>
>>> John L Rice
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Argitoth
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 10:40 PM
>>> To: motm@yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: [motm] Can static electricity damage components?
>>>
>>> When I'm doing my first DIY project, what kind of parts are sensitive
>>> to static electricity?
>>>
>>> --
>>> www.elanhickler.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
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On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 2:05 AM, John L Rice <drummer@...> wrote:
> Actually, that's the only bit of bad advice in that video. I even mentioned
> that in the comments and the guy responded and agreed he needs to redo that
> bit. I think he said that cutting the leads is something done by the
> military or NASA because they need ultra high reliability and cutting leads
> could put stress on the joint.
>
> I've never worried about that and I never will! ;-) Just get some good
> sharp diagonal cutters and you'll be fine.
>
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Argitoth [mailto:argitoth@...]
> Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 12:35 AM
> To: John L Rice
> Subject: Re: [motm] Can static electricity damage components?
>
> If you cut the lead before you solder, how can the component stay in place?
>
> On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 1:28 AM, John L Rice <drummer@...> wrote:
>> Make sure you watch this soldering video, it is really well done!
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_NU2ruzyc4
>>
>> John L Rice
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
>> Argitoth
>> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 11:44 PM
>> To: motm@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [motm] Can static electricity damage components?
>>
>> thanks, I'll watch the soldering videos too.
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 12:20 AM, John L Rice <drummer@...> wrote:
>>> Semiconductors mostly. (chips and transistors etc.) Some are more
>> sensitive
>>> than others but just use common sense and you should be fine. Lots of
> info
>>> on the web. This video may interest you:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NX7eS7dtFk
>>>
>>> John L Rice
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Argitoth
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 10:40 PM
>>> To: motm@yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: [motm] Can static electricity damage components?
>>>
>>> When I'm doing my first DIY project, what kind of parts are sensitive
>>> to static electricity?
>>>
>>> --
>>> www.elanhickler.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> www.elanhickler.com
>>
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>>
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--- On Sun, 3/1/09, Argitoth <argitoth@...> wrote:

> From: Argitoth <argitoth@...>
> Subject: Re: [motm] Can static electricity damage components?
> To: motm@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 1:10 AM
> One other question, do I need to worry about heat damaging
> components
> that I need a heat sink of some kind?
>
> On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 2:05 AM, John L Rice
> <drummer@...> wrote:
> > Actually, that's the only bit of bad advice in
> that video. I even mentioned
> > that in the comments and the guy responded and agreed
> he needs to redo that
> > bit. I think he said that cutting the leads is
> something done by the
> > military or NASA because they need ultra high
> reliability and cutting leads
> > could put stress on the joint.
> >
> > I've never worried about that and I never will!
> ;-) Just get some good
> > sharp diagonal cutters and you'll be fine.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Argitoth [mailto:argitoth@...]
> > Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 12:35 AM
> > To: John L Rice
> > Subject: Re: [motm] Can static electricity damage
> components?
> >
> > If you cut the lead before you solder, how can the
> component stay in place?
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 1:28 AM, John L Rice
> <drummer@...> wrote:
> >> Make sure you watch this soldering video, it is
> really well done!
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_NU2ruzyc4
> >>
> >> John L Rice
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: motm@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> >> Argitoth
> >> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 11:44 PM
> >> To: motm@yahoogroups.com
> >> Subject: Re: [motm] Can static electricity damage
> components?
> >>
> >> thanks, I'll watch the soldering videos too.
> >>
> >> On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 12:20 AM, John L Rice
> <drummer@...> wrote:
> >>> Semiconductors mostly. (chips and transistors
> etc.) Some are more
> >> sensitive
> >>> than others but just use common sense and you
> should be fine. Lots of
> > info
> >>> on the web. This video may interest you:
> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NX7eS7dtFk
> >>>
> >>> John L Rice
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: motm@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> >>> Argitoth
> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 10:40 PM
> >>> To: motm@yahoogroups.com
> >>> Subject: [motm] Can static electricity damage
> components?
> >>>
> >>> When I'm doing my first DIY project, what
> kind of parts are sensitive
> >>> to static electricity?
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> www.elanhickler.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
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> >>
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> >
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> > --
> > www.elanhickler.com
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> If you cut the lead before you solder, how can the component stay in place?
>
> On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 1:34 AM, Argitoth <argitoth@...> wrote:
>
>> If you cut the lead before you solder, how can the component stay in place?
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 1:28 AM, John L Rice <drummer@...> wrote:
>>
>>> Make sure you watch this soldering video, it is really well done!
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_NU2ruzyc4
>>>
>>> John L Rice
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Argitoth
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 11:44 PM
>>> To: motm@yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: [motm] Can static electricity damage components?
>>>
>>> thanks, I'll watch the soldering videos too.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 12:20 AM, John L Rice <drummer@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Semiconductors mostly. (chips and transistors etc.) Some are more
>>>>
>>> sensitive
>>>
>>>> than others but just use common sense and you should be fine. Lots of info
>>>> on the web. This video may interest you:
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NX7eS7dtFk
>>>>
>>>> John L Rice
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> Argitoth
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 10:40 PM
>>>> To: motm@yahoogroups.com
>>>> Subject: [motm] Can static electricity damage components?
>>>>
>>>> When I'm doing my first DIY project, what kind of parts are sensitive
>>>> to static electricity?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> www.elanhickler.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> www.elanhickler.com
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
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> Richard,
>
> On 1 Mar 2009, at 15:50, Richard Brewster wrote:
>
>> I
>> always press leads all the way over to the board, so they are not
>> sticking up, but are lying flat. This is called crimping the lead to
>> the board. I'll crimp lots of parts, then cut all the leads, solder,
>> wash. They don't fall out, because they're crimped. I received some
>> kits from John Blacet with all resistors installed and crimped, but
>> not
>> soldered. They stayed in place during shipping.
>>
>>
> "Crimping" means forming the leads in some way. Some radial capacitors
> for example have the leads cut short and formed with a small "wave"
> which
> helps them to be pushed into the PCB and holds them whilst soldering.
> Just folding the leads through 90 deg to be flush with the board is
> not really
> crimping and also makes the component much harder to desolder and remove
> the component to change / repair.
>
> Graham
>
>

> I've heard the term 'crimping' used to describe what I do, but I
> understand your meaning. I do fold the leads 90 degrees to lie flat on
> the board and then cut them before soldering. I've never found this to
> be a problem for desoldering. A good quality solder wick will suck up
> all the solder and leave the wire easily lifted. (Is there a good video
> on desoldering, I wonder?) Then again, I've done a lot of circuit board
> repair, so maybe it's not as big a deal to me as to a novice. Replacing
> a resistor or capacitor is isn't that difficult, especially if you have
> a Panavise (http://www.panaviseonline.com) for holding the board. The
> alternative is to make a 45 degree bend in the leads, cut them and
> solder. The drawback to this technique is that you have to do one
> component at a time.
>
> Richard
> http://www.pugix.com
>
> Graham Atkins wrote:
>> Richard,
>>
>> On 1 Mar 2009, at 15:50, Richard Brewster wrote:
>>
>>> I
>>> always press leads all the way over to the board, so they are not
>>> sticking up, but are lying flat. This is called crimping the lead to
>>> the board. I'll crimp lots of parts, then cut all the leads, solder,
>>> wash. They don't fall out, because they're crimped. I received some
>>> kits from John Blacet with all resistors installed and crimped, but
>>> not
>>> soldered. They stayed in place during shipping.
>>>
>>>
>> "Crimping" means forming the leads in some way. Some radial capacitors
>> for example have the leads cut short and formed with a small "wave"
>> which
>> helps them to be pushed into the PCB and holds them whilst soldering.
>> Just folding the leads through 90 deg to be flush with the board is
>> not really
>> crimping and also makes the component much harder to desolder and remove
>> the component to change / repair.
>>
>> Graham
>>
>>
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>> Cutting a lead can loosen a well-soldered component?
>>
>
> No, that part of the video was BS :)
>
> You *do* need a good pair of *SHARP* cutters. There are 2 schools here.
>
> #1: the cheap, but buy a new pair every 6 months and toss the old ones:
>
> http://www.weisd.com/store2/XCE170M.php
>
> The Paul Schreiber, over-the-top insane cutters (stays sharp over 5 years):
>
> http://www.all-spec.com/1/viewitem/522N/ALLSPEC/prodinfo/i=rss
>
> The secret is do NOT cut into the solder on the board. Just flush cut the
> lead sticking out of the solder.
>
> Paul S.
> /over 1 million cuts and going.........
>
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On 1-Mar-09, at 3:32 PM, Richard Brewster wrote:

> I've heard the term 'crimping' used to describe what I do, but I
> understand your meaning. I do fold the leads 90 degrees to lie flat
> on
> the board and then cut them before soldering.