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Just one more thing to think (and for me to worry) about

Just one more thing to think (and for me to worry) about

2009-02-13 by Paul Schreiber

I'm not ever going back to full-blown kits. That is not a good use of my 
time.

[JH, close your ears a sec.....]

There is only *so much* one can conjure up with resistors, caps and op amps.

And with other people offering blank boards for as low as what, $12? I have 
no interest in that at all.

I am now concerned about my future plans for things like the 520/521 and the 
'102 (digital noise with CV's delay cascaded S&H). There is no way to make a 
'102 with the same parts as a '420 VCF.

But, I think having such a module would be really cool and useful, as 
(again....) there is nothing like that out there, now or since 1968.

These designs take *lot of time and money*. And the reality is: my time is 
*much* more valuable that your time. Because anyone can order something and 
set it aside in a closet for 2 years until use. But *I can't*. I *have* to 
buy the parts, the CAD tools (I spent $5300 last year on CAD/computer 
upgrades) the literal 100,000 parts (and hold the inventory, and pay 
quarterly taxes ON the inventory).

I can't compete with people sitting at the dining room table and laying out 
pc boards 'for fun' and selling them for $15.

So, all ask it again: what sort of module, that I can offer as blank pc 
boards (no SMT) is of interest? Is there a filter, a function, what is 
"missing" in the MOTM equation that you *can't get elsewhere*?

Most of my current future module plans *assume* a SMT technology, simply 
because that is the form factor the parts are available in.

Paul S.

Re: Just one more thing to think (and for me to worry) about

2009-02-13 by wjhall11

As for Will and I - we're not advocating you return to kits, Paul.  

But we've wanted the 450 (FFB) for a couple years and we like building
the modules.  That one looks pretty doable so for that module, anyway,
we'd like to build it ourselves.  

There are things about some modules that we wouldn't want to tackle -
the 650 for instance, the 730, the 520/21.  We're happy to buy them
ready made from you.




--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...> wrote:
>
> I'm not ever going back to full-blown kits. That is not a good use
of my 
> time.
> 
> [JH, close your ears a sec.....]
> 
> There is only *so much* one can conjure up with resistors, caps and
op amps.
> 
> And with other people offering blank boards for as low as what, $12?
I have 
> no interest in that at all.
> 
> I am now concerned about my future plans for things like the 520/521
and the 
> '102 (digital noise with CV's delay cascaded S&H). There is no way
to make a 
> '102 with the same parts as a '420 VCF.
> 
> But, I think having such a module would be really cool and useful, as 
> (again....) there is nothing like that out there, now or since 1968.
> 
> These designs take *lot of time and money*. And the reality is: my
time is 
> *much* more valuable that your time. Because anyone can order
something and 
> set it aside in a closet for 2 years until use. But *I can't*. I
*have* to 
> buy the parts, the CAD tools (I spent $5300 last year on CAD/computer 
> upgrades) the literal 100,000 parts (and hold the inventory, and pay 
> quarterly taxes ON the inventory).
> 
> I can't compete with people sitting at the dining room table and
laying out 
> pc boards 'for fun' and selling them for $15.
> 
> So, all ask it again: what sort of module, that I can offer as blank pc 
> boards (no SMT) is of interest? Is there a filter, a function, what is 
> "missing" in the MOTM equation that you *can't get elsewhere*?
> 
> Most of my current future module plans *assume* a SMT technology,
simply 
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> because that is the form factor the parts are available in.
> 
> Paul S.
>

RE: [motm] Just one more thing to think (and for me to worry) about

2009-02-14 by thomas white

no one else offers look and feel of MOTM. 730 is the 1st module to step away from the classic grid design. And other companies have designs with average parts, another thing MOTM has helped me to find less value in. I sure hope the cloud generator comes out. The frac version coming 1st was also a surprise w me, but I'll wait for the 520. I'd even pay in advance if it helps make it a reality. We have been assured the code process will be different than the 650 which is great news!

I hope Paul and the little company that could make it through this identity crisis and jeep releasing solid products. Still waiting on triple preamp, expanded filter, sem filter, cloud gen, and others! Fingers crossed!!!

Paul Schreiber wrote: 
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>             I'm not ever going back to full-blown kits. That is not a good use of my 
> time. 
> [JH, close your ears a sec.....] 
> There is only *so much* one can conjure up with resistors, caps and op amps. 
> And with other people offering blank boards for as low as what, $12? I have 
> no interest in that at all. 
> I am now concerned about my future plans for things like the 520/521 and the 
> '102 (digital noise with CV's delay cascaded S&H). There is no way to make a 
> '102 with the same parts as a '420 VCF. 
> But, I think having such a module would be really cool and useful, as 
> (again....) there is nothing like that out there, now or since 1968. 
> These designs take *lot of time and money*. And the reality is: my time is 
> *much* more valuable that your time. Because anyone can order something and 
> set it aside in a closet for 2 years until use. But *I can't*. I *have* to 
> buy the parts, the CAD tools (I spent $5300 last year on CAD/computer 
> upgrades) the literal 100,000 parts (and hold the inventory, and pay 
> quarterly taxes ON the inventory). 
> I can't compete with people sitting at the dining room table and laying out 
> pc boards 'for fun' and selling them for $15. 
> So, all ask it again: what sort of module, that I can offer as blank pc 
> boards (no SMT) is of interest? Is there a filter, a function, what is 
> "missing" in the MOTM equation that you *can't get elsewhere*? 
> Most of my current future module plans *assume* a SMT technology, simply 
> because that is the form factor the parts are available in. 
> Paul S. 
>

RE: [motm] Just one more thing to think (and for me to worry) about

2009-02-14 by Greg James

How about the modules that you've already mentioned in the past:

130	Dual VCA w/Pan/Fade
4**	SEM VCF with Morphing Output
430	Variable Slope Hi-Pass VCF
460	Bi-Phase Clone
5**	Interpolating Scanner
530	Envelope Nest
550	Rhythm Wheel
600	uSequencer
8**	Triple Pre-Amp/Envelope Follower/Compressor
810	VC ADSR Envelope Generator
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-----Original Message-----
From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Schreiber
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:30 PM
To: MOTM List
Subject: [motm] Just one more thing to think (and for me to worry) about

I'm not ever going back to full-blown kits. That is not a good use of my 
time.

[JH, close your ears a sec.....]

There is only *so much* one can conjure up with resistors, caps and op amps.

And with other people offering blank boards for as low as what, $12? I have 
no interest in that at all.

I am now concerned about my future plans for things like the 520/521 and the

'102 (digital noise with CV's delay cascaded S&H). There is no way to make a

'102 with the same parts as a '420 VCF.

But, I think having such a module would be really cool and useful, as 
(again....) there is nothing like that out there, now or since 1968.

These designs take *lot of time and money*. And the reality is: my time is 
*much* more valuable that your time. Because anyone can order something and 
set it aside in a closet for 2 years until use. But *I can't*. I *have* to 
buy the parts, the CAD tools (I spent $5300 last year on CAD/computer 
upgrades) the literal 100,000 parts (and hold the inventory, and pay 
quarterly taxes ON the inventory).

I can't compete with people sitting at the dining room table and laying out 
pc boards 'for fun' and selling them for $15.

So, all ask it again: what sort of module, that I can offer as blank pc 
boards (no SMT) is of interest? Is there a filter, a function, what is 
"missing" in the MOTM equation that you *can't get elsewhere*?

Most of my current future module plans *assume* a SMT technology, simply 
because that is the form factor the parts are available in.

Paul S.






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Re: [motm] Just one more thing to think (and for me to worry) about

2009-02-14 by George Kisslak

Ok Paul, so I keep track of these things, and you asked! :)

First, please understand that if you offer a module that has been done 10
times over by others, chances are that you will make it unique in some way
and it will be done with better quality.  Also it will be in MOTM 5U format.
 These are strong selling points.

Second, please realize that I am a MOTM snob so take my comments with a
grain of salt.  There are few that are likely to just blindly buy whatever
module you put out, but so far I am 26 for 26 regarding satisfaction. (Ok
sorry, so I don't have a 940. :)

All of the following modules have been discussed at one time or other on
this list since 2000.

These are probably unique and not SMT (not including a certain German
manufacturer starting with "D"):

MOTM-2??  Dual 10000ms Delay (mentioned 8/19/00)
MOTM-430  JH's Variable Slope Hi-Pass VCF
MOTM-4??  JH's Dual Moog Ladder VCF
MOTM-470  SEM VCF w/morphing output
MOTM-475  Crow's GX-1 BP Filter
MOTM-4??  Matrix-12 15-Mode VCF
MOTM-880  VC Filter Envelope Generator (CS-80)
MOTM-???  Random Vibrato Source (mentioned 11/23/00)

These are unique but SMT:

MOTM-102  Noise/ASR (2008)
MOTM-520  Cloud Generator (in development w/521)
MOTM-530  Envelope Nest (bizarre EG)
MOTM-540  Munging Decimator (VC bit-rate reduction)
MOTM-550  Rhythm Wheel (Seq/ASR/S&H w/pattern gen)

These may not be unique but I believe the quality and unique features would
make them attractive.  Some are SMT though.

MOTM-125  Pulse Width Multiplier (Crow/Anderton 4/10/2002)
MOTM-130  Dual Pan/Fade VCA
MOTM-180  Triple Preamp
MOTM-450  Fixed Filter Bank (in development)
MOTM-460  ARP 2600-4072 VCF
MOTM-4??  Bi-Phase Clone
MOTM-600  uSequencer
MOTM-810  JH's VC EG (mentioned 4/2001)
MOTM-840  Envelope Follower/Compressor
MOTM-???  Joystick Interface
MOTM-???  DoMOAS (Daughter of Mother of all Sequencers)
MOTM-???  VC Phase Shifter
MOTM-???  Synthtech Vocoder

So... you think I'm interested?? :)

George

Paul Schreiber wrote:
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> <snip>
> 
> So, all ask it again: what sort of module, that I can offer as blank pc 
> boards (no SMT) is of interest? Is there a filter, a function, what is 
> "missing" in the MOTM equation that you *can't get elsewhere*?
>
> <snip>

RE: [motm] Just one more thing to think (and for me to worry) about

2009-02-14 by Greg James

Damn! That's a better list than I have - and I thought I had everything. But
then again, I got started in '04 :-)

Thanks for the list.

-Greg
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-----Original Message-----
From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George
Kisslak
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 9:39 PM
To: Paul Schreiber
Cc: MOTM List
Subject: Re: [motm] Just one more thing to think (and for me to worry) about

Ok Paul, so I keep track of these things, and you asked! :)

First, please understand that if you offer a module that has been done 10
times over by others, chances are that you will make it unique in some way
and it will be done with better quality.  Also it will be in MOTM 5U format.
 These are strong selling points.

Second, please realize that I am a MOTM snob so take my comments with a
grain of salt.  There are few that are likely to just blindly buy whatever
module you put out, but so far I am 26 for 26 regarding satisfaction. (Ok
sorry, so I don't have a 940. :)

All of the following modules have been discussed at one time or other on
this list since 2000.

These are probably unique and not SMT (not including a certain German
manufacturer starting with "D"):

MOTM-2??  Dual 10000ms Delay (mentioned 8/19/00)
MOTM-430  JH's Variable Slope Hi-Pass VCF
MOTM-4??  JH's Dual Moog Ladder VCF
MOTM-470  SEM VCF w/morphing output
MOTM-475  Crow's GX-1 BP Filter
MOTM-4??  Matrix-12 15-Mode VCF
MOTM-880  VC Filter Envelope Generator (CS-80)
MOTM-???  Random Vibrato Source (mentioned 11/23/00)

These are unique but SMT:

MOTM-102  Noise/ASR (2008)
MOTM-520  Cloud Generator (in development w/521)
MOTM-530  Envelope Nest (bizarre EG)
MOTM-540  Munging Decimator (VC bit-rate reduction)
MOTM-550  Rhythm Wheel (Seq/ASR/S&H w/pattern gen)

These may not be unique but I believe the quality and unique features would
make them attractive.  Some are SMT though.

MOTM-125  Pulse Width Multiplier (Crow/Anderton 4/10/2002)
MOTM-130  Dual Pan/Fade VCA
MOTM-180  Triple Preamp
MOTM-450  Fixed Filter Bank (in development)
MOTM-460  ARP 2600-4072 VCF
MOTM-4??  Bi-Phase Clone
MOTM-600  uSequencer
MOTM-810  JH's VC EG (mentioned 4/2001)
MOTM-840  Envelope Follower/Compressor
MOTM-???  Joystick Interface
MOTM-???  DoMOAS (Daughter of Mother of all Sequencers)
MOTM-???  VC Phase Shifter
MOTM-???  Synthtech Vocoder

So... you think I'm interested?? :)

George

Paul Schreiber wrote:
> <snip>
> 
> So, all ask it again: what sort of module, that I can offer as blank pc 
> boards (no SMT) is of interest? Is there a filter, a function, what is 
> "missing" in the MOTM equation that you *can't get elsewhere*?
>
> <snip>



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RE: [motm] Just one more thing to think (and for me to worry) about

2009-02-14 by Adam Schabtach

> I'm not ever going back to full-blown kits. That is not a good use of my 
> time.

So you've said, more than once. That's why some of those of us who were
drawn to SynthTech in the first place because of the kits have honed our DIY
skills and tools.

> These designs take *lot of time and money*. And the reality is: my time is

> *much* more valuable that your time.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you meant
that to be humorous. Otherwise I'd have to say that it's one of the most
arrogant and offensive things I've read on this list, ever. That includes
Elhardt's posts, even.

> So, all ask it again: what sort of module, that I can offer as blank pc 
> boards (no SMT) is of interest? Is there a filter, a function, what is 
> "missing" in the MOTM equation that you *can't get elsewhere*?

Hmm...

[drums fingers]

[stares at wall]

Nope, I can't think of anything. Y'see, I've already bought 33 kits from
you. That built up a pretty good system. I supplemented it with a few
modules from a couple of other vendors and a few modules of my own design,
and basically it does what I want a modular to do. I can't think of any
module that you could offer as a blank PCB that I wouldn't rather design and
fabricate myself. I've got two such projects currently in progress, but
one's an envelope follower and that's already been suggested numerous times
on this list. The other requires SMT parts.

So I guess I'm done with SynthTech. I might as well unsub from this list,
come to think of it. I'll use the time I'd spend reading it to read
electro-music.com to see what the other SDIY folks there are up to. Not that
my time's valuable to anyone else, of course, but it's valuable to me and I
have to spend it accordingly.

This is my last post here. Thanks for the years of discussion, y'all. Those
of you who are interested in what I do with synths in my spare time and with
music software in my professional time know where to find me.

--Adam

Re: [motm] Just one more thing to think (and for me to worry) about

2009-02-14 by eric f

There was also a quantizer and a maxi-wave in there in the last year or so.
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--- On Fri, 2/13/09, George Kisslak wrote:
From: George Kisslak
Subject: Re: [motm] Just one more thing to think (and for me to worry) about
To: "Paul Schreiber"
Cc: "MOTM List"
Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 8:38 PM

Ok Paul, so I keep track of these things, and you asked! :)

First, please understand that if you offer a module that has been done 10
times over by others, chances are that you will make it unique in some way
and it will be done with better quality. Also it will be in MOTM 5U format.
These are strong selling points.

Second, please realize that I am a MOTM snob so take my comments with a
grain of salt. There are few that are likely to just blindly buy whatever
module you put out, but so far I am 26 for 26 regarding satisfaction. (Ok
sorry, so I don't have a 940. :)

All of the following modules have been discussed at one time or other on
this list since 2000.

These are probably unique and not SMT (not including a certain German
manufacturer starting with "D"):

MOTM-2?? Dual 10000ms Delay (mentioned 8/19/00)
MOTM-430 JH's Variable Slope Hi-Pass VCF
MOTM-4?? JH's Dual Moog Ladder VCF
MOTM-470 SEM VCF w/morphing output
MOTM-475 Crow's GX-1 BP Filter
MOTM-4?? Matrix-12 15-Mode VCF
MOTM-880 VC Filter Envelope Generator (CS-80)
MOTM-??? Random Vibrato Source (mentioned 11/23/00)

These are unique but SMT:

MOTM-102 Noise/ASR (2008)
MOTM-520 Cloud Generator (in development w/521)
MOTM-530 Envelope Nest (bizarre EG)
MOTM-540 Munging Decimator (VC bit-rate reduction)
MOTM-550 Rhythm Wheel (Seq/ASR/S&H w/pattern gen)

These may not be unique but I believe the quality and unique features would
make them attractive. Some are SMT though.

MOTM-125 Pulse Width Multiplier (Crow/Anderton 4/10/2002)
MOTM-130 Dual Pan/Fade VCA
MOTM-180 Triple Preamp
MOTM-450 Fixed Filter Bank (in development)
MOTM-460 ARP 2600-4072 VCF
MOTM-4?? Bi-Phase Clone
MOTM-600 uSequencer
MOTM-810 JH's VC EG (mentioned 4/2001)
MOTM-840 Envelope Follower/Compressor
MOTM-??? Joystick Interface
MOTM-??? DoMOAS (Daughter of Mother of all Sequencers)
MOTM-??? VC Phase Shifter
MOTM-??? Synthtech Vocoder

So... you think I'm interested?? :)

George

Paul Schreiber wrote:
>
>
> So, all ask it again: what sort of module, that I can offer as blank pc
> boards (no SMT) is of interest? Is there a filter, a function, what is
> "missing" in the MOTM equation that you *can't get elsewhere*?
>
>

RE: [motm] Just one more thing to think (and for me to worry) about

2009-02-14 by thomas white

Wow, didn't see that coming. Sorry to see you go Adam.

I think it's hard to remember at times that while we expect Paul to be the hey-soos of modular synthesizers that this is his second (hobby) business. I thought that comment about his time being more valuable meant his day job which is quite a bit more valuable for him to brew on that making us small group of synth geeks get wound up.

BTW. At least Paul is still thinking about new stuff. Look to synth.com for what I mean. Basic set of modules, many Moog clones and meant to fill that gap, but no new modules coming... maybe ever (even though there is a cool list of future stuff = vapor only for now).

I guess I am older and more patient than I used to be, but I am waiting around to see what comes. MOTM is built like a tank. I can be honest, and Paul hates to hear the next part: Me no likie the 650 situation, BUT I wouldn't trade my MOTM for anything. Anyone who likes to tinker like me will like to tinker with new MOTM stuff, even when/if it means building from 2.0 versions or buying assembled and making music.

I mailed Paul earlier to express my satisfaction with his decision to reconsider where things are going, get buyer feedback, and move forward based on it. I have been buying since 99 and now it feels like the old days are coming back. This forum was a hot spot of though and development. I'd love for it to return to that sparked by new interest in oft mentioned, though never developed modules. Good times!

Thomas White
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--- On Fri, 2/13/09, Adam Schabtach wrote:
From: Adam Schabtach
Subject: RE: [motm] Just one more thing to think (and for me to worry) about
To: "'MOTM List'"
Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 8:17 PM

> I'm not ever going back to full-blown kits. That is not a good use of my
> time.

So you've said, more than once. That's why some of those of us who were
drawn to SynthTech in the first place because of the kits have honed our DIY
skills and tools.

> These designs take *lot of time and money*. And the reality is: my time is

> *much* more valuable that your time.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you meant
that to be humorous. Otherwise I'd have to say that it's one of the most
arrogant and offensive things I've read on this list, ever. That includes
Elhardt's posts, even.

> So, all ask it again: what sort of module, that I can offer as blank pc
> boards (no SMT) is of interest? Is there a filter, a function, what is
> "missing" in the MOTM equation that you *can't get elsewhere*?

Hmm...

[drums fingers]

[stares at wall]

Nope, I can't think of anything. Y'see, I've already bought 33 kits from
you. That built up a pretty good system. I supplemented it with a few
modules from a couple of other vendors and a few modules of my own design,
and basically it does what I want a modular to do. I can't think of any
module that you could offer as a blank PCB that I wouldn't rather design and
fabricate myself. I've got two such projects currently in progress, but
one's an envelope follower and that's already been suggested numerous times
on this list. The other requires SMT parts.

So I guess I'm done with SynthTech. I might as well unsub from this list,
come to think of it. I'll use the time I'd spend reading it to read
electro-music. com to see what the other SDIY folks there are up to. Not that
my time's valuable to anyone else, of course, but it's valuable to me and I
have to spend it accordingly.

This is my last post here. Thanks for the years of discussion, y'all. Those
of you who are interested in what I do with synths in my spare time and with
music software in my professional time know where to find me.

--Adam


Re: Just one more thing to think (and for me to worry) about

2009-02-14 by gerry_kuhn

Some thoughts from my perspective:

1.  How I came to MOTM

I designed and built my first modular some 20+ years ago, when I was still in college.  It 
took advantage of some CEM chips and was based on the Aries modular form factor (9" x 
3" panels, 1/8" jacks, etc).

Three years ago, give or take, I decided to revamp that design to use better quality parts 
(esp the pots) and to improve some parts of the original design.  I looked around at 
current standards and settled on MOTM.  The fact that Synth Tech was offering kits was a 
bonus since I could get other modules (esp filters) without having to design them myself.


2.  "Build" vs "Buy"

When I started my modular revamp (which is still in progress), it was "build" all the way for 
me.  What made me start thinking about "buy" was the fact that Synth Tech discontinued 
the kits.  I have bought some MOTM 2.0 boards/panels/etc from Paul since the kits were 
officially discontinued (and more kits as well, as opportunities came up) but I also started 
thinking about buying assembled units (I have not yet).

The units that I would consider buying assembled are ones that I don't want to spend 
time/effort building because they include SMT parts.  The Cloud Generator has my interest 
but I don't know yet if I would buy one.  If I did decide to buy one, I would want my 
current order backlog to drain some more first.

The 650 is something I've thought about buying but the current software situation has me 
in a wait-and-see mode.  In the meantime, I am giving serious consideration to a DIY 
midi-to-CV box based on something called midibox 
(http://www.midibox.org/dokuwiki/).

   Gerry

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...> wrote:
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>
> I'm not ever going back to full-blown kits. That is not a good use of my 
> time.
> 
> [JH, close your ears a sec.....]
> 
> There is only *so much* one can conjure up with resistors, caps and op amps.
> 
> And with other people offering blank boards for as low as what, $12? I have 
> no interest in that at all.
> 
> I am now concerned about my future plans for things like the 520/521 and the 
> '102 (digital noise with CV's delay cascaded S&H). There is no way to make a 
> '102 with the same parts as a '420 VCF.
> 
> But, I think having such a module would be really cool and useful, as 
> (again....) there is nothing like that out there, now or since 1968.
> 
> These designs take *lot of time and money*. And the reality is: my time is 
> *much* more valuable that your time. Because anyone can order something and 
> set it aside in a closet for 2 years until use. But *I can't*. I *have* to 
> buy the parts, the CAD tools (I spent $5300 last year on CAD/computer 
> upgrades) the literal 100,000 parts (and hold the inventory, and pay 
> quarterly taxes ON the inventory).
> 
> I can't compete with people sitting at the dining room table and laying out 
> pc boards 'for fun' and selling them for $15.
> 
> So, all ask it again: what sort of module, that I can offer as blank pc 
> boards (no SMT) is of interest? Is there a filter, a function, what is 
> "missing" in the MOTM equation that you *can't get elsewhere*?
> 
> Most of my current future module plans *assume* a SMT technology, simply 
> because that is the form factor the parts are available in.
> 
> Paul S.
>

Re: Just one more thing to think (and for me to worry) about

2009-02-14 by Ivan

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...> wrote:
> 
> And the reality is: my time is 
> *much* more valuable that your time. Because anyone can order
something and 
> set it aside in a closet for 2 years until use. But *I can't*. I
*have* to 
> buy the parts, the CAD tools (I spent $5300 last year on CAD/computer 
> upgrades) the literal 100,000 parts (and hold the inventory, and pay 
> quarterly taxes ON the inventory).
> 

Paul specifically states what he meant by his time being more valuable
than ours.  It isn't just his time but TIME in general that costs him
a lot of money to sit on a design.  Versus if one of us builds a
one-off DIY project.

Some people here must write for popular news media   ;-)

It's easy to quote something and take it out of context...

Ivan