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an xmas thought..?

an xmas thought..?

1999-12-25 by Paul & Alleyne

hello all
a thought occured to me this morning - now am i stupid, or can you use an EG
& VCA in conjunction with an envelope follower and come up with a Compressor
application..?
put it this way i've been messing around with a drum loop putting it thru a
Korg MS-03 pitch to voltage convertor, and experimenting with the gate
outputs to the EG or the evnvelope outputs direct to the VCA - so far (and i
can't really be bothered today - as there's some serious eating to be done)
i've managed to emulate some of my favourite Eventide Omnipressor settings,
but not really been able to look at levels and ratios (which is yer bias
setting on the vca..?)

which brings me onto - if this compression milarky is possible (in a serious
context, as opposed to wacky omnipressor messing around with dynamics), then
the MOTM envelope follower might do well to have features that would help in
this. at the moment i can only think of a course & fine level control, and a
direct out for the original signal

ideas..? comments..? witty put downs..?

cheers
paul b (now in need of more VCAs - bugger)

Re: an xmas thought..?

1999-12-25 by JWBarlow@xxx.xxx

In a message dated 12/25/99 9:40:26 AM, vulture.squadron@... writes:

>From: "Paul & Alleyne" <vulture.squadron@...>

>hello all
>a thought occured to me this morning - now am i stupid, or can you use
>an EG
>& VCA in conjunction with an envelope follower and come up with a Compressor
>application..?
>put it this way i've been messing around with a drum loop putting it thru
>a
>Korg MS-03 pitch to voltage convertor, and experimenting with the gate
>outputs to the EG or the evnvelope outputs direct to the VCA - so far (and
>i
>can't really be bothered today - as there's some serious eating to be done)
>i've managed to emulate some of my favourite Eventide Omnipressor settings,
>but not really been able to look at levels and ratios (which is yer bias
>setting on the vca..?)

>which brings me onto - if this compression milarky is possible (in a serious
>context, as opposed to wacky omnipressor messing around with dynamics),
>then
>the MOTM envelope follower might do well to have features that would help
>in
>this. at the moment i can only think of a course & fine level control,
>and a
>direct out for the original signal

>ideas..? comments..? witty put downs..?

First:
When making steak and kidney pie, how do you prepare the kidneys?

You boil the piss out of em!

Now then:
Given a precision (i.e., MOTM) envelope generator and a similarly precise VCA 
with a -- in unison gang -- reversing attenuator CV input, one would have a 
mono compander; i.e., compressor/expander. Compression would be found when 
the attenuator was being turned more negative (since a higher level from the 
envelope follower would result in a lower output from the VCA), while turning 
it more positive would result in an expander type setting.

But using VCAs and envelope followers in this fashion would be greatly 
enhanced by adding VC Lag processing, since a lot of the character of 
different compressors comes from the way they compress. For example, an LDR 
based compressor would be quite sluggish (and maybe an exponential slope 
too?). And if one were to try and make a stereo compressor, I think they 
often average the level of both channels to avoid weird pumping between 
channels kinda things.

I'm not sure how using an EG would help this act as a compressor, but it 
would be great for just altering the envelope of a sound like long attacks 
and short release for a pseudo backwards sound. It would be a great addition 
to an envelope follower to have a built in comparator to allow a gate out for 
this very purpose.

Ho Ho Ho
JB
One of the Three Wise Men

Re: an xmas thought..?

1999-12-25 by Paul & Alleyne

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Date: 25 December 1999 18:29
Subject: Re: [motm] an xmas thought..?

>I'm not sure how using an EG would help this act as a compressor, but it
>would be great for just altering the envelope of a sound like long attacks
>and short release for a pseudo backwards sound. It would be a great
addition
>to an envelope follower to have a built in comparator to allow a gate out
for
>this very purpose.


at least i'm not too stupid, i was a bit worried that this was old hat
amongst the motm old skool (or maybe they're all tending to their taste buds
and not their email..?)
i had the EG involved, to see what i could do with a gate output (the gate
being generated by the input signal to the envelope follower), from here i
could come up with +ve & -ve controlling voltages for the VCA - there's some
lovely effects to be had (especially if you're into *proper* industiral
stuff), i plopped a loop thru one of those little marshall amp boxes (the
toy one) and then thru the env follower - absolute heaven - unfortunately
the Korg MS-03 seems a little unstable...

next question - if i saw a Roland MC202 for around \ufffd280 would i be a fool
not to buy it..? I got my xmas bonus, i worked out my tax - or should i just
invest in more MOTM stuff (Mr S need not reply to this...) - I've heard
their sync-ing is pretty apalling - anyone with any ideas..?

cheers
paul b
(who has xmas dinner to look forward to tomorrow, as girlfriend's gallery's
burglar alarm went off at 6am and she spent six hours getting it sorted - so
dinner was cancelled (poor cats) - good job as i was a tad hung over (again)

Re: an xmas thought..?

1999-12-26 by Paul Schreiber

Actually, I have in my parts pile about 35 [new] SSM compander chips. THey
have 4 different controls (pots). I was going to make a MOTM Compander
module,
not any CV, just a nice little addition.

Kind of abandoned it, but like I said I have the chips. The are SSM2166, and
have a mic pre-amp
(not a "studio grade" one, just for PA stuff). Data sheets at www.analog.com

Paul S.

Re: an xmas thought..?

1999-12-29 by Ben Vehorn

This came up on Analog Heaven a few months ago. Go to
www.midiwall.com/aharchives and search for "serge compressor"--this should turn
up the discussion. I have not tried it yet, but it is a very good description of
how a compressor works and how to make one with a serge modular.
--Ben

Paul & Alleyne wrote:
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> From: "Paul & Alleyne" <vulture.squadron@...>
>
> hello all
> a thought occured to me this morning - now am i stupid, or can you use an EG
> & VCA in conjunction with an envelope follower and come up with a Compressor
> application..?
> put it this way i've been messing around with a drum loop putting it thru a
> Korg MS-03 pitch to voltage convertor, and experimenting with the gate
> outputs to the EG or the evnvelope outputs direct to the VCA - so far (and i
> can't really be bothered today - as there's some serious eating to be done)
> i've managed to emulate some of my favourite Eventide Omnipressor settings,
> but not really been able to look at levels and ratios (which is yer bias
> setting on the vca..?)
>
> which brings me onto - if this compression milarky is possible (in a serious
> context, as opposed to wacky omnipressor messing around with dynamics), then
> the MOTM envelope follower might do well to have features that would help in
> this. at the moment i can only think of a course & fine level control, and a
> direct out for the original signal
>
> ideas..? comments..? witty put downs..?
>
> cheers
> paul b (now in need of more VCAs - bugger)
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RE: an xmas thought..?

1999-12-29 by Tentochi

If someone finds that article, could you please post it here so everyone can
see it.  I think it would be of great interest!

Thanks,
Todd
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> This came up on Analog Heaven a few months ago. Go to
> www.midiwall.com/aharchives and search for "serge
> compressor"--this should turn
> up the discussion. I have not tried it yet, but it is a very good
> description of
> how a compressor works and how to make one with a serge modular.

> > a thought occured to me this morning - now am i stupid, or can
> you use an EG
> > & VCA in conjunction with an envelope follower and come up with
> a Compressor
> > application..?
> > put it this way i've been messing around with a drum loop
> putting it thru a
> > Korg MS-03 pitch to voltage convertor, and experimenting with the gate
> > outputs to the EG or the evnvelope outputs direct to the VCA -
> so far (and i
> > can't really be bothered today - as there's some serious eating
> to be done)
> > i've managed to emulate some of my favourite Eventide
> Omnipressor settings,
> > but not really been able to look at levels and ratios (which is yer bias
> > setting on the vca..?)
> >
> > which brings me onto - if this compression milarky is possible
> (in a serious
> > context, as opposed to wacky omnipressor messing around with
> dynamics), then
> > the MOTM envelope follower might do well to have features that
> would help in
> > this. at the moment i can only think of a course & fine level
> control, and a
> > direct out for the original signal
> >
> > ideas..? comments..? witty put downs..?
> >
> > cheers
> > paul b (now in need of more VCAs - bugger)
> >
> > >
>
> >
> --
>
>
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