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The MODCAN Quantizer 55B - a mini review

The MODCAN Quantizer 55B - a mini review

2007-04-15 by Richard Brewster

I have used my Blacet Miniwaves mostly for quantizing, since I like to 
use scale tones in my aleatoric musings.  I've looked around for a 
dedicated quantizer, but never found anything well suited to a standard 
MOTM setup until this.  Not sure when it was added to the Modcan B 
lineup, but the Dual Quantizer 55B fills the bill.  I've updated my 
website with some photos and a two minute MP3 demo.

http://www.pugix.com/top-cabinet.htm#quantizer

The Miniwave does well as a quantizer.  Modcan offers a version of the 
Miniwave, too, with a built-in VCO.  There's a quantizer bank in the 
standard Blacet ROM.  The Davidson SCALE Quantizer ROM is excellent, 
too.  I'll speak to the differences between the quantizing with the 
Miniwave and the Modcan 55B in a bit.  First, about the physical Modcan 
55B module.

As you can see from the photos on my site, the 55B fits perfectly into 
my MOTM rack.  Although it's a thinner panel, the 1/16-inch difference 
of height (shallower than the 1/8-inch MOTM panels) is barely 
noticeable.  What *is* noticeable of course is the color.  The panel 
design is nice and clean.  The jack spacing and locations are different 
from MOTM.  The switches are mini-toggles, not bat-handles.  Alpha pots 
are used.  I replaced the knobs, not just because of the look, but 
because Modcan knobs have a gap in the flute that the set screw goes 
through, and your finger catches on it.  It's annoying.  Otherwise, 
build quality is very good; it's clearly assembled with care.  You'll 
notice that the hardware consists mainly of a large PIC 
microcontroller.  The six trimpots are labelled, but there's no mention 
of them in the instruction manual, which is very short.  It would be 
nice to have a calibration procedure.

Lead time on this was two months from placing the order and payment and 
receipt of the module.  I never ordered from Modcan before, but this 
seems about normal.  When I placed the order, Bruce Duncan responded 
quickly and asked what power cable I required.  He supplied a MOTM power 
cable adapter at no extra cost.

The 55B features.

There are two identical and separate quantizers.  Each has an input for 
the CV to be quantized, an output, a clock input and a pulse output, and 
three control inputs.  There are four parameters, three of which are 
under voltage control.  You manually select one of three fixed scale 
banks.  This isn't under VC like the Miniwave bank is.  Each bank has 16 
scales, selected by the sum of a pot and a SCALE CV input.  There is 
also a TRANSPOSE pot and CV input; the Miniwave has nothing like this.  
It is a key transposition, not just an offset.  (I don't really 
understand the difference.  Maybe one of you will explain it.)  Finally, 
there is an INVERT input that responds to a gate.  This simply inverts 
the output around ground.  If your input is all positive, when inverted 
it is all negative.  I didn't quite see the utility of this until I 
realized that negative inputs get quantized just fine, unlike the 
Miniwave, which needs a zero to +10V input in quantizing mode.  So you 
can merrily quantize a MOTM-320 LFO, using any of its waveforms.  You'll 
normally want to use an external attenuator on the input for overall 
scaling.  None of the inputs has a pot for attenuation, due to lack of 
panel space.

With nothing patched to the CLOCK input, quantizing happens when the 
input crosses a quantized boundary, just like with the Miniwave.  On 
each transition you get a short pulse out of the PULSE output.  It's 
something I have wished the Miniwave had. (I saw a schematic somewhere 
describing a pulse output Miniwave modification.)  My demo MP3 shows 
this off by using it to trigger an envelope generator to make a new note 
on each transition.  Now, I found that when quantizing the output of a 
sample and hold, the 55B works better if you clock it with the same 
clock used for the sample and hold.  It's cleaner, because with large 
jumps without clocking there can be a zipper effect as multiple 
transitions are crossed. The 55B makes a nice sample and hold by itself, 
with a no-droop digitized output.

I admit to general ignorance when it comes to scales.  But I can say 
that the choice of scales in the three banks has a good variety.  My 
favorite is the B bank, which includes Algerian, Altered, Aux 
Diminished, Balinese, Byzantine, Diatonic, Spanish, Double Harmonic, 
Hindu, Sixtone Symmetric, Nine Tone, Overtone Dominant, Pelog, 
Prometheus, Enigmatic, and Octatonic.  (These are listed on the Modcan 
website as being in the C bank, but the downloaded manual puts them in 
bank B and to my ear this seems right.)

Overall impression is of a very nice module that I will use a lot.  Now 
maybe it needs a few Modcan siblings in my cabinet.  The Clock 53B looks 
very interesting....

-Richard Brewster
http://www.pugix.com

Re: [motm] The MODCAN Quantizer 55B - a mini review

2007-04-15 by angelzero

Thank you for that review.  I've been looking forward to ordering one of these
for a very long time but had it on the back burner until now.  I had no idea
about the clock input and pulse output...what great features.


--- Richard Brewster <pugix@...> wrote:

> I have used my Blacet Miniwaves mostly for quantizing, since I like to 
> use scale tones in my aleatoric musings.  I've looked around for a 
> dedicated quantizer, but never found anything well suited to a standard 
> MOTM setup until this.  Not sure when it was added to the Modcan B 
> lineup, but the Dual Quantizer 55B fills the bill.  I've updated my 
> website with some photos and a two minute MP3 demo.
> 
> http://www.pugix.com/top-cabinet.htm#quantizer
> 
> The Miniwave does well as a quantizer.  Modcan offers a version of the 
> Miniwave, too, with a built-in VCO.  There's a quantizer bank in the 
> standard Blacet ROM.  The Davidson SCALE Quantizer ROM is excellent, 
> too.  I'll speak to the differences between the quantizing with the 
> Miniwave and the Modcan 55B in a bit.  First, about the physical Modcan 
> 55B module.
> 
> As you can see from the photos on my site, the 55B fits perfectly into 
> my MOTM rack.  Although it's a thinner panel, the 1/16-inch difference 
> of height (shallower than the 1/8-inch MOTM panels) is barely 
> noticeable.  What *is* noticeable of course is the color.  The panel 
> design is nice and clean.  The jack spacing and locations are different 
> from MOTM.  The switches are mini-toggles, not bat-handles.  Alpha pots 
> are used.  I replaced the knobs, not just because of the look, but 
> because Modcan knobs have a gap in the flute that the set screw goes 
> through, and your finger catches on it.  It's annoying.  Otherwise, 
> build quality is very good; it's clearly assembled with care.  You'll 
> notice that the hardware consists mainly of a large PIC 
> microcontroller.  The six trimpots are labelled, but there's no mention 
> of them in the instruction manual, which is very short.  It would be 
> nice to have a calibration procedure.
> 
> Lead time on this was two months from placing the order and payment and 
> receipt of the module.  I never ordered from Modcan before, but this 
> seems about normal.  When I placed the order, Bruce Duncan responded 
> quickly and asked what power cable I required.  He supplied a MOTM power 
> cable adapter at no extra cost.
> 
> The 55B features.
> 
> There are two identical and separate quantizers.  Each has an input for 
> the CV to be quantized, an output, a clock input and a pulse output, and 
> three control inputs.  There are four parameters, three of which are 
> under voltage control.  You manually select one of three fixed scale 
> banks.  This isn't under VC like the Miniwave bank is.  Each bank has 16 
> scales, selected by the sum of a pot and a SCALE CV input.  There is 
> also a TRANSPOSE pot and CV input; the Miniwave has nothing like this.  
> It is a key transposition, not just an offset.  (I don't really 
> understand the difference.  Maybe one of you will explain it.)  Finally, 
> there is an INVERT input that responds to a gate.  This simply inverts 
> the output around ground.  If your input is all positive, when inverted 
> it is all negative.  I didn't quite see the utility of this until I 
> realized that negative inputs get quantized just fine, unlike the 
> Miniwave, which needs a zero to +10V input in quantizing mode.  So you 
> can merrily quantize a MOTM-320 LFO, using any of its waveforms.  You'll 
> normally want to use an external attenuator on the input for overall 
> scaling.  None of the inputs has a pot for attenuation, due to lack of 
> panel space.
> 
> With nothing patched to the CLOCK input, quantizing happens when the 
> input crosses a quantized boundary, just like with the Miniwave.  On 
> each transition you get a short pulse out of the PULSE output.  It's 
> something I have wished the Miniwave had. (I saw a schematic somewhere 
> describing a pulse output Miniwave modification.)  My demo MP3 shows 
> this off by using it to trigger an envelope generator to make a new note 
> on each transition.  Now, I found that when quantizing the output of a 
> sample and hold, the 55B works better if you clock it with the same 
> clock used for the sample and hold.  It's cleaner, because with large 
> jumps without clocking there can be a zipper effect as multiple 
> transitions are crossed. The 55B makes a nice sample and hold by itself, 
> with a no-droop digitized output.
> 
> I admit to general ignorance when it comes to scales.  But I can say 
> that the choice of scales in the three banks has a good variety.  My 
> favorite is the B bank, which includes Algerian, Altered, Aux 
> Diminished, Balinese, Byzantine, Diatonic, Spanish, Double Harmonic, 
> Hindu, Sixtone Symmetric, Nine Tone, Overtone Dominant, Pelog, 
> Prometheus, Enigmatic, and Octatonic.  (These are listed on the Modcan 
> website as being in the C bank, but the downloaded manual puts them in 
> bank B and to my ear this seems right.)
> 
> Overall impression is of a very nice module that I will use a lot.  Now 
> maybe it needs a few Modcan siblings in my cabinet.  The Clock 53B looks 
> very interesting....
> 
> -Richard Brewster
> http://www.pugix.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Re: The MODCAN Quantizer 55B - a mini review

2007-04-15 by jneilnyc

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, Richard Brewster <pugix@...> wrote:

> 
> Overall impression is of a very nice module that I will use a lot.  Now 
> maybe it needs a few Modcan siblings in my cabinet.  The Clock 53B
looks 
> very interesting....
> 
> -Richard Brewster
> http://www.pugix.com
>

The only problem with getting the Quantizer and the Clock is that
you're left with a big space in between that you need to fill with the
B-series Sequencer!

Re: [motm] The MODCAN Quantizer 55B - a mini review

2007-04-15 by Mark

On 4/15/07, Richard Brewster put forth:
>What *is* noticeable of course is the color.

Yes, it is extremely noticeable.  I have absolutely no idea why
Modcan decided to make  white modules in "MOTM-format" when not only
are the Synthesis Technology modules black, but all of the other
third-party modules and panels (Stooge, Encore, Blacet, Oakley, etc.)
are black.  It makes no sense to me whatsoever.

>There is also a TRANSPOSE pot and CV input; the Miniwave has nothing
>like this.  It is a key transposition, not just an offset.  (I don't
>really understand the difference.  Maybe one of you will explain it.)

Transpose is moving the current note to the next note of the scale
for each unit of transposition (which is arbitrarily set to a certain
amount of voltage -- I don't believe there is any sort of standard).
Offset is simply adding a voltage to the input (which might not
transpose correctly) or output voltage (which has the same result as
adjusting the tuning of the VCO).  Transpose is a superior feature, imho.

>With nothing patched to the CLOCK input, quantizing happens when the
>input crosses a quantized boundary, just like with the Miniwave.  On
>each transition you get a short pulse out of the PULSE output.  It's
>something I have wished the Miniwave had. (I saw a schematic somewhere
>describing a pulse output Miniwave modification.)

I built a device to generate pulses when using the Encore UEG as a
"loop sequencer".  The schematics were up on the Stooge site.  It's a
differentiator followed by two comparators (one for positive voltages
above a fixed threshold, the other for negative voltages), the
outputs of the comparators go into an OR-gate which fires a pulse
generator.

>Overall impression is of a very nice module that I will use a lot.  Now
>maybe it needs a few Modcan siblings in my cabinet.  The Clock 53B looks
>very interesting....

It does, but imho, it is only useful with a large CV step sequencer,
using one row with the voltage-controlled clock division to create
notes of different length.   One of the Modcan modules that impresses
me is the CV recorder.  While I've never played with one, or even know
anyone that has one, it looks awesome.

NKK switch vendor??

2007-04-16 by Mark

Does anyone know of a good source for the NKK toggle switches used in MOTM??

Also, is there a BOM or more detailed parts list available??

Thanks :)

Re: [motm] NKK switch vendor??

2007-04-16 by Paul Schreiber

Both Digikey and Allied carries them.

Paul S.

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <motm@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 2:26 PM
Subject: [motm] NKK switch vendor??


> 
> Does anyone know of a good source for the NKK toggle switches used in MOTM??
> 
> Also, is there a BOM or more detailed parts list available??
> 
> Thanks :)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
>

Re: [motm] NKK switch vendor??

2007-04-16 by Stephen Drake

Look in the links section of this group.

On 4/16/07, Mark <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
>
>
>  Does anyone know of a good source for the NKK toggle switches used in
> MOTM??
>
>  Also, is there a BOM or more detailed parts list available??
>
>  Thanks :)
>
>  


-- 
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sduck409@...
makeme1witheverything@...

Re: [motm] NKK switch vendor??

2007-04-16 by Mark

On 4/16/07, ryan williams put forth:
>look here:
><http://www.hotrodmotm.com/parts_list.htm>http://www.hotrodmotm.com/parts_list.htm
>
>iirc mouser sells them too.

Does anyone have a list of current part numbers??  The ones listed on
Moe's site no longer work.  The SP switches aren't coming up at all,
and the DP switches are coming up as obsolete.

Thanks :)

Re: [motm] NKK switch vendor??

2007-04-16 by Paul Schreiber

The SPDT switches are NKK M2012ES1W01.

The SPDT center OFF (used on the MOTM-420) are M2013ES1W01.

Paul S.

panel issues

2007-04-18 by Mark

Now that the weather is starting to get warm -- I don't like to do
too much soldering if I can't open the windows -- there are quite a
few things I would like to build.

Fortunately, some of the things I would like to build are regular
MOTM modules, and the panels designed for them are available from
Synthesis Technology.

Unfortunately, some of the things I would like to build either do not
have panels available, or do not have panels available that I want to
use.  I would like to build a couple modules based on CGS boards (eg,
tube VCA, bintic filter), and I would also like to build an MOTM-310
with a different panel.

I can't use Front Panel Designer because I don't have a machine that
runs Windows.  In fact, it seems one can't even get prices from Front
Panel Express  without using the the Front Panel Designer software.
So even if I already have an .fpd file, there is nothing that I can
do with it.

While I'm hoping that the person who was planning on doing Stooge
panels gets going soon, and I wish him all the best in that endeavor,
in the meanwhile I've been trying to think up some other options.

I know that Synthesis Technology sells blank panels, however, afaik,
they are entirely blank.  Otoh, panels for other modules already have
legends for the knobs with tick marks and numbers.  In some cases,
they also have PEM fasteners for mounting brackets.  However, these
panels would be labeled "wrong" for what I want to do.

So I'm thinking that I could buy panels intended for other MOTM
modules, then re-label the the knobs and jacks with white-on-black
labels.  I realize that it is not an ideal solution, but would it
work??

If anyone has any ideas, please let me know.

Re: [motm] panel issues

2007-04-18 by Jason Proctor

one option does present itself - collaboration. if you tell me what 
you want and/or send over some mockups, i can make some FPDs for you.

btw, FPE have promised Mac OS X and Linux design software, but so far 
nothing has appeared and i didn't receive a response to my request to 
be a beta tester.
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>Now that the weather is starting to get warm -- I don't like to do
>too much soldering if I can't open the windows -- there are quite a
>few things I would like to build.
>
>Fortunately, some of the things I would like to build are regular
>MOTM modules, and the panels designed for them are available from
>Synthesis Technology.
>
>Unfortunately, some of the things I would like to build either do not
>have panels available, or do not have panels available that I want to
>use.  I would like to build a couple modules based on CGS boards (eg,
>tube VCA, bintic filter), and I would also like to build an MOTM-310
>with a different panel.
>
>I can't use Front Panel Designer because I don't have a machine that
>runs Windows.  In fact, it seems one can't even get prices from Front
>Panel Express  without using the the Front Panel Designer software.
>So even if I already have an .fpd file, there is nothing that I can
>do with it.
>
>While I'm hoping that the person who was planning on doing Stooge
>panels gets going soon, and I wish him all the best in that endeavor,
>in the meanwhile I've been trying to think up some other options.
>
>I know that Synthesis Technology sells blank panels, however, afaik,
>they are entirely blank.  Otoh, panels for other modules already have
>legends for the knobs with tick marks and numbers.  In some cases,
>they also have PEM fasteners for mounting brackets.  However, these
>panels would be labeled "wrong" for what I want to do.
>
>So I'm thinking that I could buy panels intended for other MOTM
>modules, then re-label the the knobs and jacks with white-on-black
>labels.  I realize that it is not an ideal solution, but would it
>work??
>
>If anyone has any ideas, please let me know.
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Re: [motm] panel issues

2007-04-18 by Stephen Drake

Virtual pc runs xp well enough to run the fpd program - get a copy of
it, and borrow someone's copy of the xp disk. It's kind of an
expensive solution, and takes up too much memory, but if you have
other reasons to have vpc, as I do, it's a viable option.

On 4/18/07, Mark <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
>
>  Now that the weather is starting to get warm -- I don't like to do
>  too much soldering if I can't open the windows -- there are quite a
>  few things I would like to build.
>
>  Fortunately, some of the things I would like to build are regular
>  MOTM modules, and the panels designed for them are available from
>  Synthesis Technology.
>
>  Unfortunately, some of the things I would like to build either do not
>  have panels available, or do not have panels available that I want to
>  use. I would like to build a couple modules based on CGS boards (eg,
>  tube VCA, bintic filter), and I would also like to build an MOTM-310
>  with a different panel.
>
>  I can't use Front Panel Designer because I don't have a machine that
>  runs Windows. In fact, it seems one can't even get prices from Front
>  Panel Express without using the the Front Panel Designer software.
>  So even if I already have an .fpd file, there is nothing that I can
>  do with it.
>
>  While I'm hoping that the person who was planning on doing Stooge
>  panels gets going soon, and I wish him all the best in that endeavor,
>  in the meanwhile I've been trying to think up some other options.
>
>  I know that Synthesis Technology sells blank panels, however, afaik,
>  they are entirely blank. Otoh, panels for other modules already have
>  legends for the knobs with tick marks and numbers. In some cases,
>  they also have PEM fasteners for mounting brackets. However, these
>  panels would be labeled "wrong" for what I want to do.
>
>  So I'm thinking that I could buy panels intended for other MOTM
>  modules, then re-label the the knobs and jacks with white-on-black
>  labels. I realize that it is not an ideal solution, but would it
>  work??
>
>  If anyone has any ideas, please let me know.

-- 
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sduck409@...
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Re: [motm] panel issues

2007-04-18 by David Hylander

Check out the Modular Synth Panels Yahoo 
Group.  ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com  Scott Deyo has been 
making MOTM style panels.


At 03:38 PM 4/18/2007, Mark wrote:

>So I'm thinking that I could buy panels intended for other MOTM
>modules, then re-label the the knobs and jacks with white-on-black
>labels. I realize that it is not an ideal solution, but would it
>work??
>
>If anyone has any ideas, please let me know.
>

~david~

http://www.hylander.com

RE: [motm] panel issues

2007-04-18 by John Loffink

Scott Deyo has the Bi-N-Tic MOTM format panel available now:

https://bridechamber.sslpowered.com/panels/cgs/bintichtml.html

John Loffink
The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of


> Check out the Modular Synth Panels Yahoo
> Group.  ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com  Scott Deyo has been
> making MOTM style panels.
> 
> 
> At 03:38 PM 4/18/2007, Mark wrote:
> 
> >So I'm thinking that I could buy panels intended for other MOTM
> >modules, then re-label the the knobs and jacks with white-on-black
> >labels. I realize that it is not an ideal solution, but would it
> >work??
> >
> >If anyone has any ideas, please let me know.
> >

RE: [motm] panel issues

2007-04-19 by timothy cooper

Yeah, Scott's actually just put up a whole slew
(sorry:) of new panels up on his site from CGS, MFOS,
and even some by Oakley and Tellun  and a Metasonix
panel.  The ones I have are pretty close, but arent
quite as "textured" as the MOTM panels, which isn't a
big deal for me personally.  Some of the new pictures
look as though they might have a closer match to the
MOTM texturing though.
Ti_
P.S.- Hey Scott, are you planning on making up some
Neural Agonizer panels by chance?!?!


--- John Loffink <jloffink@...> wrote:

> Scott Deyo has the Bi-N-Tic MOTM format panel
> available now:
> 
>
https://bridechamber.sslpowered.com/panels/cgs/bintichtml.html
> 
> John Loffink
> The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
> http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
> The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
> http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: motm@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> 
> 
> > Check out the Modular Synth Panels Yahoo
> > Group.  ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com  Scott
> Deyo has been
> > making MOTM style panels.
> > 
> > 
> > At 03:38 PM 4/18/2007, Mark wrote:
> > 
> > >So I'm thinking that I could buy panels intended
> for other MOTM
> > >modules, then re-label the the knobs and jacks
> with white-on-black
> > >labels. I realize that it is not an ideal
> solution, but would it
> > >work??
> > >
> > >If anyone has any ideas, please let me know.
> > >
> 
> 


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Re: [motm] panel issues

2007-04-19 by Scott Deyo

Hello,

Bridechamber panels are similar to MOTM, but not exact. Paints and font 
are a bit different. By doing these panels, I found out that there are 
many different whites and blacks :)

Neural Ags, the last I heard, were being done by Doug at 
www.stoogepanels.com. I actually thought I was going to have 20 of 
them, but my metal guys apparently never got the mechanical drawing I 
sent. I blame my horrible fax machine.

Scott Deyo
The Bridechamber
contact@...
www.bridechamber.com
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On Apr 18, 2007, at 10:40 PM, timothy cooper wrote:

> Yeah, Scott's actually just put up a whole slew
>  (sorry:) of new panels up on his site from CGS, MFOS,
>  and even some by Oakley and Tellun and a Metasonix
>  panel. The ones I have are pretty close, but arent
>  quite as "textured" as the MOTM panels, which isn't a
>  big deal for me personally. Some of the new pictures
>  look as though they might have a closer match to the
>  MOTM texturing though.
>  Ti_
>  P.S.- Hey Scott, are you planning on making up some
>  Neural Agonizer panels by chance?!?!
>
>  --- John Loffink <jloffink@...> wrote:
>
>  > Scott Deyo has the Bi-N-Tic MOTM format panel
>  > available now:
>  >
>  >
> https://bridechamber.sslpowered.com/panels/cgs/bintichtml.html
>  >
>  > John Loffink
>  > The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
>  > http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
>  > The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
>  > http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
>  >
>  >
>  > > -----Original Message-----
>  > > From: motm@yahoogroups.com
>  > [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
>  >
>  >
>  > > Check out the Modular Synth Panels Yahoo
>  > > Group.  ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com Scott
>  > Deyo has been
>  > > making MOTM style panels.
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > At 03:38 PM 4/18/2007, Mark wrote:
>  > >
>  > > >So I'm thinking that I could buy panels intended
>  > for other MOTM
>  > > >modules, then re-label the the knobs and jacks
>  > with white-on-black
>  > > >labels. I realize that it is not an ideal
>  > solution, but would it
>  > > >work??
>  > > >
>  > > >If anyone has any ideas, please let me know.
>  > > >
>  >
>  >
>
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Re: [motm] panel issues

2007-04-19 by Mark

On 4/18/07, Jason Proctor put forth:
>one option does present itself - collaboration. if you tell me what
>you want and/or send over some mockups, i can make some FPDs for you.


Thank you, that is both a generous offer, and a very good point.
Although, a collaboration would be a situation that benefits everyone
involved.  So perhaps I should discuss which panels I would want, and
see if others are interested.


The first is a modified MOTM-310 panel.  While I see no point in
arguing with the original designer at this point in time, people
often have different opinions of what would work best for them.  What
I would like is a panel for three knobs (Coarse, Fine, FM), and six
jacks (1V/Oct, Sync, FM, PWM, Saw, Pulse).  While I'm sure that I
could buffer the separate waveform outputs with a little
daughterboard such as a MUUB-2, whether or not I can successfully add
sync is unproven.  Worse case scenario, I would have an extra jack for
something.


The second is a 1U panel for the CGS65 Tube VCA.  While I plan on
modifying the cathode circuitry a bit, I would like to get a panel
that is identical to one half of the panel Richard Brewster used for
his dual unit.  Although I'm open to suggestions, having two inputs
is not only useful for feedback as Richard suggests, but for mixing
two separate inputs.

http://www.pugix.com/bottom-cabinet-lower.htm#tubevca

http://www.cgs.synth.net/modules/cgs65_vca.html



The third is a 2U panel for the CGS57 Bi-N-Tic filter.  Now, I
realize that Bridechamber offers a panel in MOTM format.  However, I
think that linear FM (which is already on the CGS PCB) and and an
output from the counter would be nice features to have.  I'm thinking
six knobs for pots (Coarse, Fine, Bandwidth, Resonance, Input 2, FM),
a chickenhead knob for a selector switch for the divided outputs,
nine jacks (FM, 1V/Oct, Sync, Sub Out, VCF Out, In1, 1n2, Saw,
Square), and one switch (AC-lin/DC-lin/Exp FM).  The sub-divided
output from the selector switch could be normalled to Input 2.

http://www.cgs.synth.net/modules/cgs57_bintic.html

FS: MOTM, CEM, etc.

2007-04-19 by Mark

Everything is in totally excellent cosmetic, electronic, and
mechanical condition, unless noted otherwise.


MOTM-110  VCA/Ring Modulator                   $320
This discontinued module, using a rare CEM chip, is no longer
available from Synthesis Technology.  It has two independent
sections.  The VCA section has a unique reversible gain control.  The
balanced modulator section, with AC/DC coupling switches and level
knobs for both inputs, can be used as a second VCA for audio or to
control modulation depth.  While it has many more features than the
smaller MOTM-190, I'm selling mine because I'm tight on space, and
have other signal multiplying gear.
http://www.synthtech.com/motm110.html


MOTM-700  Dual Voltage-Controlled Router      $250
Soon to be discontinued, some consider this to be an extremely useful
and unique module.  Extremely well-designed, each independent section
works with either audio or critical DC voltages, is bidirectional,
and can even switch at audio rates.  With its four LED's, it's also
fun to watch.
http://www.synthtech.com/motm700.html


Stooge 320R panel and Tellun DB-320 PCB        $70
These parts, for a series of MOTM-320 modifications, are unused, and
no longer available.  Not that Scott and Larry didn't do a great job,
but after thinking things through, I've decided that I will modify a
second MOTM-320, that I bought used, by changing its cap to a smaller
value.  The panel is already drilled, and ready to go.
http://www.tellun.com/motm/diy/db320/DB-320.html


Curtis CEM3340  VCO IC                         $45  (each)
Three available, these are rare "white dot" CEM3340's that were
hand-selected by Roland for use in the the SH-101.  Not all CEM3340's
are reported to work properly in that application.  According to the
Synthesis Technology website, "these will work in any synth, even
MemoryMoogs (not the 8226 date code)."  Two are labeled "CEM 3340
2466E-01 8304".  One is labeled "CEM 3340 8651 2466G-01".


Curtis CEM3394 IC                              $35
Only one available, this contains one entire synth voice (VCO, VCA,
VCF, etc.) on a single chip.  It was used in the SCI Six Trak, a
synth I no longer own.  It is labeled "CEM 3394 8513 3264"


Pearl Analog Delay AD-33                       $250
This is not a Pearl AD-08.  This is rare and unique BBD delay pedal
that has two sets of delay time and feedback controls.  It can switch
back and forth between these two sets of knobs from footswitch.  It
also has a feature that I have not seen on any other pedal.  It has a
TRS footswitch input.  Why would it have a "Foot Sw" jack if it
already has footswitches??  I have no idea, that jack allows it to be
controlled with a sequencer or drum machine!!  It has input level and
delay level controls, and separate outputs for direct and effect
using a switched jack. It has two pedal switches (effect on/off,
I<->II), six knobs, 3 LED's, and 4 jacks.  It has a few scratches,
and the footswitches could use a good cleaning (I used the jack).


DBX 172 Supergate                              $300
This is a two channel expander/ducker/gate that's packed with
features.  With its switchable Transient Capture Mode it is a
look-ahead analogue gate!!  Which I doubt you will anyone manufacture
ever again.  It has a key filter with adjustable frequency and
bandwidth, a one shot mode with adjustable hold time, an expander
with adjustable ratio, and controls for attack, release, threshold,
and depth.  It's great for live sound, as it has LED level meters,
and LED indicators for everything, but since I bought this one new,
it hasn't left a smoke-free studio.  Balanced XLR in and out, with
balanced TRS key inputs.  Includes original box and manual and
schematics.


Opcode Studio 5LX                              $100
The Studio 5LX combines the functions of a MIDI interface, a MIDI
patchbay, SMPTE synchronizer, and MIDI processor, that once
programmed, can function as a stand-alone unit to route and process
MIDI data.  It has 15 MIDI inputs and outputs, for a total of 240
channels. Updated to the latest ROM.  It supposedly works with a USB
to serial port adapter, but I have not tested that application.
Includes original box, floppies, original ROM chip, and manuals.


I have pictures of the AD-33 and DBX-172.

Terms:  Prices negotiable in U.S. dollars. Pre-pay or Paypal.  Buyer
pays shipping.

I apologize if including the non-MOTM stuff is off-topic.

Re: [motm] FS: MOTM, CEM, etc.

2007-04-19 by Scott K Warren

Hi,

I will take the Stooge 320R panel and Tellun DB-320 PCB if they're  
still available.

skw
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On Apr 19, 2007, at 2:39 PM, Mark wrote:

>
> Everything is in totally excellent cosmetic, electronic, and
> mechanical condition, unless noted otherwise.
>
>
> MOTM-110  VCA/Ring Modulator                   $320
> This discontinued module, using a rare CEM chip, is no longer
> available from Synthesis Technology.  It has two independent
> sections.  The VCA section has a unique reversible gain control.  The
> balanced modulator section, with AC/DC coupling switches and level
> knobs for both inputs, can be used as a second VCA for audio or to
> control modulation depth.  While it has many more features than the
> smaller MOTM-190, I'm selling mine because I'm tight on space, and
> have other signal multiplying gear.
> http://www.synthtech.com/motm110.html
>
>
> MOTM-700  Dual Voltage-Controlled Router      $250
> Soon to be discontinued, some consider this to be an extremely useful
> and unique module.  Extremely well-designed, each independent section
> works with either audio or critical DC voltages, is bidirectional,
> and can even switch at audio rates.  With its four LED's, it's also
> fun to watch.
> http://www.synthtech.com/motm700.html
>
>
> Stooge 320R panel and Tellun DB-320 PCB        $70
> These parts, for a series of MOTM-320 modifications, are unused, and
> no longer available.  Not that Scott and Larry didn't do a great job,
> but after thinking things through, I've decided that I will modify a
> second MOTM-320, that I bought used, by changing its cap to a smaller
> value.  The panel is already drilled, and ready to go.
> http://www.tellun.com/motm/diy/db320/DB-320.html
>
>
> Curtis CEM3340  VCO IC                         $45  (each)
> Three available, these are rare "white dot" CEM3340's that were
> hand-selected by Roland for use in the the SH-101.  Not all CEM3340's
> are reported to work properly in that application.  According to the
> Synthesis Technology website, "these will work in any synth, even
> MemoryMoogs (not the 8226 date code)."  Two are labeled "CEM 3340
> 2466E-01 8304".  One is labeled "CEM 3340 8651 2466G-01".
>
>
> Curtis CEM3394 IC                              $35
> Only one available, this contains one entire synth voice (VCO, VCA,
> VCF, etc.) on a single chip.  It was used in the SCI Six Trak, a
> synth I no longer own.  It is labeled "CEM 3394 8513 3264"
>
>
> Pearl Analog Delay AD-33                       $250
> This is not a Pearl AD-08.  This is rare and unique BBD delay pedal
> that has two sets of delay time and feedback controls.  It can switch
> back and forth between these two sets of knobs from footswitch.  It
> also has a feature that I have not seen on any other pedal.  It has a
> TRS footswitch input.  Why would it have a "Foot Sw" jack if it
> already has footswitches??  I have no idea, that jack allows it to be
> controlled with a sequencer or drum machine!!  It has input level and
> delay level controls, and separate outputs for direct and effect
> using a switched jack. It has two pedal switches (effect on/off,
> I<->II), six knobs, 3 LED's, and 4 jacks.  It has a few scratches,
> and the footswitches could use a good cleaning (I used the jack).
>
>
> DBX 172 Supergate                              $300
> This is a two channel expander/ducker/gate that's packed with
> features.  With its switchable Transient Capture Mode it is a
> look-ahead analogue gate!!  Which I doubt you will anyone manufacture
> ever again.  It has a key filter with adjustable frequency and
> bandwidth, a one shot mode with adjustable hold time, an expander
> with adjustable ratio, and controls for attack, release, threshold,
> and depth.  It's great for live sound, as it has LED level meters,
> and LED indicators for everything, but since I bought this one new,
> it hasn't left a smoke-free studio.  Balanced XLR in and out, with
> balanced TRS key inputs.  Includes original box and manual and
> schematics.
>
>
> Opcode Studio 5LX                              $100
> The Studio 5LX combines the functions of a MIDI interface, a MIDI
> patchbay, SMPTE synchronizer, and MIDI processor, that once
> programmed, can function as a stand-alone unit to route and process
> MIDI data.  It has 15 MIDI inputs and outputs, for a total of 240
> channels. Updated to the latest ROM.  It supposedly works with a USB
> to serial port adapter, but I have not tested that application.
> Includes original box, floppies, original ROM chip, and manuals.
>
>
> I have pictures of the AD-33 and DBX-172.
>
> Terms:  Prices negotiable in U.S. dollars. Pre-pay or Paypal.  Buyer
> pays shipping.
>
> I apologize if including the non-MOTM stuff is off-topic.
>
>
>
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