MOTM

Bourns, my pot supplier, has pushed lead times from 8 to 12 weeks! I ordered
them
today, but probably won't see them until middle of Feb.!

I will have about 7 kits and 0 assembled left after all current orders are
processed.

So, if you want/need any MOTM-800s, keep this in mind.

Paul S.

> Bourns, my pot supplier, has pushed lead times from 8 to 12 weeks! I
ordered
> them
> today, but probably won't see them until middle of Feb.!
>
> I will have about 7 kits and 0 assembled left after all current orders are
> processed.
>
> So, if you want/need any MOTM-800s, keep this in mind.

is the discount still available?  i deleted that message (actually, win 98
deleted that and most of my hard drive).



-steve

Until the 10th.

Paul S.

----- Original Message -----
From: velure <velure@...>
To: <motm@onelist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [motm] Upcoming MOTM-800 shortage


> From: "velure" <velure@...>
>
> > Bourns, my pot supplier, has pushed lead times from 8 to 12 weeks! I
> ordered
> > them
> > today, but probably won't see them until middle of Feb.!
> >
> > I will have about 7 kits and 0 assembled left after all current orders
are

> > processed.
> >
> > So, if you want/need any MOTM-800s, keep this in mind.
>
> is the discount still available?  i deleted that message (actually, win 98
> deleted that and most of my hard drive).
>
>
>
> -steve
>
> >

The tenth of what? December? Oops-I thought the 'sale' was for the whole
month. Do I need to get off my butt and order before Saturday?

		-----Original Message-----
		From:	Paul Schreiber [mailto:synth1@...]
		Sent:	Wednesday, December 08, 1999 11:59 AM
		To:	motm@onelist.com
		Subject:	Re: [motm] Upcoming MOTM-800 shortage

		From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>

		Until the 10th.

		Paul S.

Sale ends 10th of Dec. Get off your butt!

Paul S.

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Tkacs, Ken <Ken.Tkacs@...>
To: <motm@onelist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 12:23 PM
Subject: RE: [motm] Upcoming MOTM-800 shortage


> From: "Tkacs, Ken" <Ken.Tkacs@...>
> 
> 
> The tenth of what? December? Oops-I thought the 'sale' was for the whole
> month. Do I need to get off my butt and order before Saturday?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Schreiber [mailto:synth1@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 11:59 AM
> To: motm@onelist.com
> Subject: Re: [motm] Upcoming MOTM-800 shortage
> 
> From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
> 
> Until the 10th.
> 
> Paul S.
> 
> 
> 
> >

>From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
>
>Bourns, my pot supplier, has pushed lead times from 8 to 12 weeks! I ordered
>them
>today, but probably won't see them until middle of Feb.!
>
>I will have about 7 kits and 0 assembled left after all current orders are
>processed.
>
>So, if you want/need any MOTM-800s, keep this in mind.
>
>Paul S.

I can't decide whether to fill a 2-space gap in my rack with the VC-lag or
2 more 800's (I know both would be the best solution, but I'm trying to
postpone buolding a new rack for a while at least). How many channels does
the VC lag have, and can it be used a s a simple AR EG like on the Doepfer
(only better in every way)?

________________________________________________________
Dave Trenkel : improv@...  : www.peak.org/~improv/

"...there will come a day when you won't have to use
gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in
your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper
type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em
together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em
together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire."
                                            -Sun Ra
________________________________________________________

Larry, you have it correct.  There is no retriggering of the EG as long as
a key is held down (legato playing style).  Moog and most Roland synths use
this mode.  The other term for this sort of thing is "single trigger" vs.
"multiple trigger".  Most ARPs implemented multiple trigger and the 2600
allowed you to switch between the two, at least on the later 2600s AFAIK.

I actually find single trigger mode more musically useful than multiple
trigger, but I think that's from using it for so many years.  A classic
Rick Wakeman Minimoog patch is to set up the EG (er, "Contour Generator")
on the filter with a longish decay and lots of resonance (I mean, Emphasis
in Minimoog-speak) and wail away with a legato style.  The filter sweeps
over the notes that are played legato and retriggers when you lift up from
the keyboard. 

	Eric

At 06:39 PM 12/8/99 -0600, J. Larry Hendry wrote:

>From: "J. Larry Hendry" <jlarryh@...>
>
>I have been thinking about this (a dangerous thing).  I do not see how full
>ADSR with gate only could work very well.  I say this because I see that
>gate stays high as long as ANY key is depressed.  It would seem to me that
>envelopes would not be re-triggered with a gate only ADSR unless the
>playing technique provided that one key contact was indeed open prior to a
>second one being closed.
>
>OTOH, I can see how this could be used as a style technique -- that the
>retrigger on the envelope could be deliberately avoided or hit upon by
>going in and out of a Legato playing style.
>

At 07:01 PM 12/8/99 -0500, Eric S. Crawley wrote:
>From: "Eric S. Crawley" <esc@...>
>
>in Minimoog-speak) and wail away with a legato style.  The filter sweeps
>over the notes that are played legato and retriggers when you lift up from
>the keyboard. 
>
Sorry, I got that last sentence wrong (serves me right to not read what I
write!).  The EG retriggers only when you play non-legato.  It doesn't
retrigger upon releasing the note!
	
	Eric

Sure. Feed it a GATE, it becomes AR EG.

Paul S.

----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Trenkel <improv@...>
To: <motm@onelist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: [motm] Upcoming MOTM-800 shortage


> From: improv@... (Dave Trenkel)
>
> >From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
> >
> >Bourns, my pot supplier, has pushed lead times from 8 to 12 weeks! I
ordered
> >them
> >today, but probably won't see them until middle of Feb.!
> >
> >I will have about 7 kits and 0 assembled left after all current orders
are

> >processed.
> >
> >So, if you want/need any MOTM-800s, keep this in mind.
> >
> >Paul S.
>
> I can't decide whether to fill a 2-space gap in my rack with the VC-lag or
> 2 more 800's (I know both would be the best solution, but I'm trying to
> postpone buolding a new rack for a while at least). How many channels does
> the VC lag have, and can it be used a s a simple AR EG like on the Doepfer
> (only better in every way)?
>
> ________________________________________________________
> Dave Trenkel : improv@...  : www.peak.org/~improv/
>
> "...there will come a day when you won't have to use
> gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in
> your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper
> type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em
> together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em
> together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire."
>                                             -Sun Ra
> ________________________________________________________
>
> >

> From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
> I will have about 7 kits and 0 assembled left after all current orders
are
> processed.
> 
> So, if you want/need any MOTM-800s, keep this in mind.

This brings up a question I have about 800s.  I have plenty for now, but
all mine are the version requiring both gate and trigger for full ADSR. 
Are the ones in stock that version, or the version that was discussed on
the list that was changed to allow ADSR with only gate?

I have been thinking about this (a dangerous thing).  I do not see how full
ADSR with gate only could work very well.  I say this because I see that
gate stays high as long as ANY key is depressed.  It would seem to me that
envelopes would not be re-triggered with a gate only ADSR unless the
playing technique provided that one key contact was indeed open prior to a
second one being closed.

OTOH, I can see how this could be used as a style technique -- that the
retrigger on the envelope could be deliberately avoided or hit upon by
going in and out of a Legato playing style.

Am I missing the big picture (a frequent occurrence).

Thanks,
Stooge Larry

First: Hi Celeste, I think a lot of people have other modular equipment and 
use those mixers, or they are just mixing in the MOTM 420s -- I think the 
MOTM mixer is due early next year.

In a message dated 12/8/99 4:36:31 PM, jlarryh@... writes:

>This brings up a question I have about 800s.  I have plenty for now, but
>all mine are the version requiring both gate and trigger for full ADSR.
>Are the ones in stock that version, or the version that was discussed on
>the list that was changed to allow ADSR with only gate?

The newer 800s do have gate only ADSR function -- but I believe it's quite 
similar to the (now famous) John Speth mod for the older ones. You may just 
want to make the mod, Larry.

>I have been thinking about this (a dangerous thing).  I do not see how
>full
>ADSR with gate only could work very well.  I say this because I see that
>gate stays high as long as ANY key is depressed.  It would seem to me that
>envelopes would not be re-triggered with a gate only ADSR unless the
>playing technique provided that one key contact was indeed open prior to
>a
>second one being closed.

>OTOH, I can see how this could be used as a style technique -- that the
>retrigger on the envelope could be deliberately avoided or hit upon by
>going in and out of a Legato playing style.

After using a 2600 for about 15 years, I found an old OB-1 (in a dumpster no 
less!!!!) which has gate only ADSRs. Yes! It's completely different, but as 
you and others said, it makes for an interesting instrument when going in and 
out of legato playing.

But you could also think of how different the sound is when a guitar string 
is plucked vs. an un-plucked left-hand legato technique, or a long single 
breath melismatic phrase on a sax or trumpet vs. the same run with a heavy 
articulation. I'm not sure there are any analogous examples of traditional 
keyboards.

>Am I missing the big picture (a frequent occurrence).

No, but I'm missing my MOTM -- I'm not getting any modules (320 or discount) 
until I get my car problem sorted out <boo who>.
JB

That part I got right from the instructions.  :)
LH  

----------

> From: Paul Schreiber <synth1@...>
> To: motm@onelist.com
> Subject: Re: [motm] Upcoming MOTM-800 shortage
> Date: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 6:32 PM
> 
> From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
> 
> Sure. Feed it a GATE, it becomes AR EG.
> 
> Paul S.

> From: JWBarlow@...
> The newer 800s do have gate only ADSR function -- but I believe it's
quite 
> similar to the (now famous) John Speth mod for the older ones. You may
just 
> want to make the mod, Larry.

Well, I am not sure I really WANT that, I was just wondering.  I am
perfectly happy to just AR if I gate only for now.  Since I have a MIDI2CV
that triggers, I usually connect the trigger.

> No, but I'm missing my MOTM -- I'm not getting any modules (320 or
discount) 
> until I get my car problem sorted out <boo who>.

Sorry to hear that Stooge JB.  I am not yet done soldering my 320s.  I am
doing both at once, so I am just now getting to the end of the 150+
resistors.

Stooge Larry