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AudioEngine development

2006-07-15 by Paul Schreiber

> To offer an example and bring this thread back on topic:

Please. No more "my code is better than your code" discussions.

> - How long have we been waiting for the 650?
>

3 1/2 years. Part of it is waiting of software, part of it was the programmers 
were waiting on ME to get them stable development platforms. Part of it was the 
uP vendor(Atmel) had massive bugs in the first silicon (thich was actually 
Temic/Philips silicon) and we had to wait 9 months for them to ship fixed parts.

> Paul clearly understands the product. There are, what, 2 maybe 3 people
> involved with it's development (I'm guessing from what I've read in Paul's
> posts).

Mostly accurate. I think the RC1 code is 98% "bug free", there are still things 
that need to be resolved but the software is certainly *useable*.
Now the burden is more on me to ship that the coders to fix.

>
> I get the sense that most of us are here because of the quality. If that's
> the case, then our loyalty agrees with Paul to the extent that he makes
> decisions that do not compromise quality. That's part of the price we pay
> to do business with him.
>

Well, that IS accurate :)

>
> Now I'd like to weigh-in on the new Audio Engine direction, since MOTM is
> taking a path straight into major software territory. Here's some questions
> for Paul which he may or may not choose to answer, but they are what's on my
> mind:

Aw heck, why not? :)

>
> - What happens to all of this if the Xilinx guru gets hit by a bus? And as
> we painfully know in MOTM-land, it's already happened to some extent.
>

And what happens when *I* get hit by the police car responding to the bus 
accident?

Actually, there are literally 100s of good Xilinx programmers. The "software" 
that we will be using will be mostly Verilog. There may be portions of code 
written in another language called VHDL.

The ARM 7 part will be programmed in C.

All of this "source code" gets compiled into binary images that the part uses to 
operate. The binary images will ALWAYS be available for FREE on the website. 
Just like the MOTM-650 images are there now. So, you can ALWAYS get the code in 
there. Now, in order to get the code "into" the AudioEngine, that will be a 
2-part process, require 2 special cables (about $20 each) and code on your PC 
(don't EVEN start with Mac on this one). But it is doable.

And I'm not a shabby Verilog programmer, either.

> - These modules are going to be software black boxes. With the circuit-based
> modules, I have a reasonable chance of fixing something if it wonks-out. The
> Audio Engines sound like they're going to be throw-aways if something goes
> wrong, especially in or around the chip. This is true for many of us
> regarding SMT, too. Maintainability in the field has been an unsung attribute 
> of MOTM
> gear thus far.
>

I don't disagree, but on the other hand, that is NOT A REASON to just stop on 
Dec. 31st and say "Well, it's been fun. See ya!"
The *reality* is: SMT parts are cheaper, easier to get, easier to store, are 
RoHS compliant and not THAT BAD to work with. For many people, just saying 'SMT' 
provokes the same reaction as saying 'Calculus'. It's not that bad once you 
understand it. Soldering SOICs is easy. Soldering 1206 and 0805 passives are 
easy. 0603s are tricky, but use fine 0.015 solder and still not bad. And trust 
me, if you are worried about repair 15 years from now, you will WANT SMT!

> - What's going to happen when someone like Ken finds a niggle in the code,
> but 80-90% of the rest of us don't really need that or care? Is the firmware
> going to be updated anyway? Or will time and effort (cost) mean that Ken or
> whomever just has to live with the shortcoming?

This is true with ANY software system. But it didn't deter Yamaha from selling 
320,000 DX-7s, either :)

> Remember - the end user will not be able to mod or patch these things 
> themselves like many have done with
> the hardware-based modules.
>

I don't disagree, but your definition of 'many' and mine will probably differ :)

> - No design can do it all. All modules have their "sweet spot." At the end
> of the day, I'm curious about how the Audio Engine modules will sound. MOTM
> today means quality in construction and sound. Paul (and Jeurgen, and other
> collaborators) has been nothing short of brilliant in bringing MOTM to us.
> But this is new territory. I'm not thinking too much about this one because
> of Paul's track record, but you never know.
>

Well, let's cross that bridge when we come to it. In fact, I am waiting for the 
flip-side: people will think the SMT modules sound better :)


Paul S.

RE: [motm] AudioEngine development

2006-07-15 by Greg James

"And what happens when *I* get hit by the police car responding to the bus 
accident?"

I didn't want to mention it, but... THAT, Paul, is the biggest concern I
have!!!

NO motorcycles!
Eat your fruits and vegetables!
Buckle-up!
Listen to your loved ones!
Get you son or daughter lined-up to take over the "hobby"!

Now, do I take an insurance policy out on you??? Hmmmmm. :-)

Re: AudioEngine development

2006-07-15 by Charles Osthelder

Paul wrote - "For many people, just saying 'SMT'
provokes the same reaction as saying 'Calculus'. It's not that bad
once you
understand it."

I was fortunate that my calculus teacher was the most beautiful,
soft-spoken and intelligent woman I'd ever met!  I couldn't take my
eyes off her, let alone stop listening to her.  And yes, I opted for
extra tutoring with her. <sigh> I hate being a middle-aged, overweight
dork.

For those less fortunate (I mean in teacher selection, not being an
elderly mass that bores others), there's "Bikini Calculus"!  I got
this for my nephew when he was a freshman.  His grades improved very
quickly, just from watching video of 20-something-year-old women
teaching calculus while wearing thong bikinis.

Gee, maybe that would make a good business model for a patch book...

Chub -presently auditioning young women.  Must be into thongs and
patch cable. Oh, and capable of making my oatmeal...

Re: [motm] AudioEngine development

2006-07-16 by Greg Amann

Emmett Chapman is training his daughter Grace to make and repair Sticks, IIRC.

On 15-Jul-06, at 12:13 PM, Greg James wrote:

"And what happens when *I* get hit by the police car responding to the bus
accident?"


Get you son or daughter lined-up to take over the "hobby"!

Now, do I take an insurance policy out on you??? Hmmmmm. :-)

__._
.


Re: [motm] AudioEngine development

2006-07-16 by Kenneth Elhardt

Greg James writes:
>>I didn't want to mention it, but... THAT, Paul, is the biggest concern I
have!!!<<

That was a concern of mine when buying into motm before all the necessary
modules were finished and shipping.  I didn't want to be left with a
crippled semi-non-usable modular.  But now that we're into the luxury
modules, it's not so much a concern anymore.  Although once somebody reaches
the age of 40, they're pretty much living on borrowed time from that point
on.  That's one reason to buy everything you need right away, rather than
spread it out over years.

>>Ken: May you not encounter what I described above with the new modules.
And
thanks again for turning me on to the great deal for Arturia's Moog Modular
software.<<

I encounter what you described almost everytime I use Arturia MMV.  The bug
list keeps growing.

Paul S. writes:
>>It was 103F yesterday, 104F today (6 days in a row over 100F so far).<<

The heat here is bad too.  Just a few minutes ago this computer just
suddenly shut down and it wouldn't power up again.  I let it sit for a while
with a big fan blowing on it and then it finally powered up.  Never had that
happen before.  Scarey.

-Elhardt

Re: [motm] sudden computer shutdown (was AudioEngine development)

2006-07-17 by KA4HJH

>Paul S. writes:
>>>It was 103F yesterday, 104F today (6 days in a row over 100F so far).<<
>
>The heat here is bad too.  Just a few minutes ago this computer just
>suddenly shut down and it wouldn't power up again.  I let it sit for a while
>with a big fan blowing on it and then it finally powered up.  Never had that
>happen before.  Scarey.

Has the fan in the power supply stopped running? That's what usually causes
this one. This might be a good time to verify that ALL the internal fans
are still working.

-- 

Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
"The Mac Doctor"

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