MOTM

As you know, July 1st is the day that RoHS takes effect in the EU. If you don't 
know what I'm referring to, go to www.newark.com and read the RoHS section.

a) if you are in the EU, and you want to continue building MOTM kits in the 
future, PLEASE ORDER TODAY at least 1 spool of Kester 331 (organic) and Kester 
245 (no-clean) solder. 1 roll of each will be good for at *least* 50 kits + misc 
DIY and synth repair. Both spools + shipping should run you ~34EU.

b) I *cannot include* solder with kits shipped to the EU for the time being 
after July 1.

c) Eventually (but it would be later in the fall) I *may* be able to use the new 
SnAgCu solder *if* all of the parts are RoHS. This would mean I have to "flush 
out" and leaded resistors, caps, etc and build RoHS kits. I doubt it would be 
worth it. Most, *but not all* parts shipped right now are RoHS. It's not clear 
if the AD MAT02EH used in the VCOs will ever be. I still have many pc boards 
that are leaded (although about 80% of kits shipped the last 8 months have been 
lead-free finishes).

The problem is: using leaded solder on lead-free or leaded parts is fine 
(everyone has been doing this for ~12 months anyway). What is *not fine* is 
using lead-free solder on a leaded part. This can cause bad solder joints. So, 
for the immediate future, the best solution is to require EU customers to use 
leaded solder that they themselves provide (if you have a lot of MOTM kits, 
chances are you have TONS of extra solder anyway).

d) I am soldering like crazy to ship assembled modules to the EU this week. I 
doubt I will be able to ship all of them. But it will be close :) Unfortunately 
most of the modules left to ship are the most time-consuming ('480/'320/etc) but 
if you are expecting modules 
(Barnes/Grezelak/Bartz/Richardson/Artmeyer/Weisser/???) please* be sure* I have 
up-to-date payment info.

e) what about assembled modules to the EU after July 1st? Chances are, for 
several months, I will not be able to. There is a possibility that I can ship 
*some* models to the EU and some I can not (the MOTM-300 is potentially 
'black-listed'). The economic reality is: assembled module as a *whole* are ~ 8% 
of revenue, and EU customers are probably 35% of that. I can't afford to 
replenish literally 10s of *thousands* of resistors/caps/diodes/whatever AND 
toss of $2500 of pc boards.

I think the RoHS is *foolish* not to exclude low volume shipments (say <10pcs to 
a single address in a single shipment). The law is designed for *consumer* 
things like cell phones, iPods, etc that when they break, get tossed. Has anyone 
tossed a MOTM module in the dustbin?

I don't want to cause widespread *P A N I C*. If you are a EU customer and want 
to email me off-line, please do so.

Paul S.

Anybody know anywhere in the UK that sells Kester 331& Kester 245??
Can't find it in the usual places.

ac

On 6/27/06, Paul Schreiber <synth1@...> wrote:
> As you know, July 1st is the day that RoHS takes effect in the EU. If you don't
> know what I'm referring to, go to www.newark.com and read the RoHS section.
>
> a) if you are in the EU, and you want to continue building MOTM kits in the
> future, PLEASE ORDER TODAY at least 1 spool of Kester 331 (organic) and Kester
> 245 (no-clean) solder. 1 roll of each will be good for at *least* 50 kits + misc
> DIY and synth repair. Both spools + shipping should run you ~34EU.
>
> b) I *cannot include* solder with kits shipped to the EU for the time being
> after July 1.
>
> c) Eventually (but it would be later in the fall) I *may* be able to use the new
> SnAgCu solder *if* all of the parts are RoHS. This would mean I have to "flush
> out" and leaded resistors, caps, etc and build RoHS kits. I doubt it would be
> worth it. Most, *but not all* parts shipped right now are RoHS. It's not clear
> if the AD MAT02EH used in the VCOs will ever be. I still have many pc boards
> that are leaded (although about 80% of kits shipped the last 8 months have been
> lead-free finishes).
>
> The problem is: using leaded solder on lead-free or leaded parts is fine
> (everyone has been doing this for ~12 months anyway). What is *not fine* is
> using lead-free solder on a leaded part. This can cause bad solder joints. So,
> for the immediate future, the best solution is to require EU customers to use
> leaded solder that they themselves provide (if you have a lot of MOTM kits,
> chances are you have TONS of extra solder anyway).
>
> d) I am soldering like crazy to ship assembled modules to the EU this week. I
> doubt I will be able to ship all of them. But it will be close :) Unfortunately
> most of the modules left to ship are the most time-consuming ('480/'320/etc) but
> if you are expecting modules
> (Barnes/Grezelak/Bartz/Richardson/Artmeyer/Weisser/???) please* be sure* I have
> up-to-date payment info.
>
> e) what about assembled modules to the EU after July 1st? Chances are, for
> several months, I will not be able to. There is a possibility that I can ship
> *some* models to the EU and some I can not (the MOTM-300 is potentially
> 'black-listed'). The economic reality is: assembled module as a *whole* are ~ 8%
> of revenue, and EU customers are probably 35% of that. I can't afford to
> replenish literally 10s of *thousands* of resistors/caps/diodes/whatever AND
> toss of $2500 of pc boards.
>
> I think the RoHS is *foolish* not to exclude low volume shipments (say <10pcs to
> a single address in a single shipment). The law is designed for *consumer*
> things like cell phones, iPods, etc that when they break, get tossed. Has anyone
> tossed a MOTM module in the dustbin?
>
> I don't want to cause widespread *P A N I C*. If you are a EU customer and want
> to email me off-line, please do so.
>
> Paul S.
>
>
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>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
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>
>

I don't know much about electronics and solder types.
Are the leaded parts of modules dangerous to your health?
As for the enviroment, I wouldn't throw a module in the dustbin..
Is the Kester solder Paul reffers to, RoHS compliant?

>I don't know much about electronics and solder types.
> Are the leaded parts of modules dangerous to your health?

Not unless you eat them :)

> As for the enviroment, I wouldn't throw a module in the dustbin..
> Is the Kester solder Paul reffers to, RoHS compliant?
> 

See next email.

Paul S.

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...> wrote:
>
> As you know, July 1st is the day that RoHS takes effect in the EU. 
If you don't 
> know what I'm referring to, go to www.newark.com and read the RoHS 
section.
> 
> a) if you are in the EU, and you want to continue building MOTM 
kits in the 
> future, PLEASE ORDER TODAY at least 1 spool of Kester 331 
(organic) and Kester 
> 245 (no-clean) solder. 1 roll of each will be good for at *least* 
50 kits + misc 
> DIY and synth repair. Both spools + shipping should run you ~34EU.
> 
> b) I *cannot include* solder with kits shipped to the EU for the 
time being 
> after July 1.
> 
> c) Eventually (but it would be later in the fall) I *may* be able 
to use the new 
> SnAgCu solder *if* all of the parts are RoHS. This would mean I 
have to "flush 
> out" and leaded resistors, caps, etc and build RoHS kits. I doubt 
it would be 
> worth it. Most, *but not all* parts shipped right now are RoHS. 
It's not clear 
> if the AD MAT02EH used in the VCOs will ever be. I still have many 
pc boards 
> that are leaded (although about 80% of kits shipped the last 8 
months have been 
> lead-free finishes).
> 
> The problem is: using leaded solder on lead-free or leaded parts 
is fine 
> (everyone has been doing this for ~12 months anyway). What is *not 
fine* is 
> using lead-free solder on a leaded part. This can cause bad solder 
joints. So, 
> for the immediate future, the best solution is to require EU 
customers to use 
> leaded solder that they themselves provide (if you have a lot of 
MOTM kits, 
> chances are you have TONS of extra solder anyway).
> 
> d) I am soldering like crazy to ship assembled modules to the EU 
this week. I 
> doubt I will be able to ship all of them. But it will be close :) 
Unfortunately 
> most of the modules left to ship are the most time-consuming 
('480/'320/etc) but 
> if you are expecting modules 
> (Barnes/Grezelak/Bartz/Richardson/Artmeyer/Weisser/???) please* be 
sure* I have 
> up-to-date payment info.
> 
> e) what about assembled modules to the EU after July 1st? Chances 
are, for 
> several months, I will not be able to. There is a possibility that 
I can ship 
> *some* models to the EU and some I can not (the MOTM-300 is 
potentially 
> 'black-listed'). The economic reality is: assembled module as a 
*whole* are ~ 8% 
> of revenue, and EU customers are probably 35% of that. I can't 
afford to 
> replenish literally 10s of *thousands* of 
resistors/caps/diodes/whatever AND 
> toss of $2500 of pc boards.
> 
> I think the RoHS is *foolish* not to exclude low volume shipments 
(say <10pcs to 
> a single address in a single shipment). The law is designed for 
*consumer* 
> things like cell phones, iPods, etc that when they break, get 
tossed. Has anyone 
> tossed a MOTM module in the dustbin?
> 
> I don't want to cause widespread *P A N I C*. If you are a EU 
customer and want 
> to email me off-line, please do so.
> 
> Paul S.
>
I must check RoHS import regulations in european not  EU countries 
like Switzerland and Norway...any swiss customer there ?

Martin

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...> wrote:
>
> As you know, July 1st is the day that RoHS takes effect in the EU. 
If you don't 
> know what I'm referring to, go to www.newark.com and read the RoHS 
section.
> 
> a) if you are in the EU, and you want to continue building MOTM 
kits in the 
> future, PLEASE ORDER TODAY at least 1 spool of Kester 331 
(organic) and Kester 
> 245 (no-clean) solder. 1 roll of each will be good for at *least* 
50 kits + misc 
> DIY and synth repair. Both spools + shipping should run you ~34EU.
> 
> b) I *cannot include* solder with kits shipped to the EU for the 
time being 
> after July 1.
> 
> c) Eventually (but it would be later in the fall) I *may* be able 
to use the new 
> SnAgCu solder *if* all of the parts are RoHS. This would mean I 
have to "flush 
> out" and leaded resistors, caps, etc and build RoHS kits. I doubt 
it would be 
> worth it. Most, *but not all* parts shipped right now are RoHS. 
It's not clear 
> if the AD MAT02EH used in the VCOs will ever be. I still have many 
pc boards 
> that are leaded (although about 80% of kits shipped the last 8 
months have been 
> lead-free finishes).
> 
> The problem is: using leaded solder on lead-free or leaded parts 
is fine 
> (everyone has been doing this for ~12 months anyway). What is *not 
fine* is 
> using lead-free solder on a leaded part. This can cause bad solder 
joints. So, 
> for the immediate future, the best solution is to require EU 
customers to use 
> leaded solder that they themselves provide (if you have a lot of 
MOTM kits, 
> chances are you have TONS of extra solder anyway).
> 
> d) I am soldering like crazy to ship assembled modules to the EU 
this week. I 
> doubt I will be able to ship all of them. But it will be close :) 
Unfortunately 
> most of the modules left to ship are the most time-consuming 
('480/'320/etc) but 
> if you are expecting modules 
> (Barnes/Grezelak/Bartz/Richardson/Artmeyer/Weisser/???) please* be 
sure* I have 
> up-to-date payment info.
> 
> e) what about assembled modules to the EU after July 1st? Chances 
are, for 
> several months, I will not be able to. There is a possibility that 
I can ship 
> *some* models to the EU and some I can not (the MOTM-300 is 
potentially 
> 'black-listed'). The economic reality is: assembled module as a 
*whole* are ~ 8% 
> of revenue, and EU customers are probably 35% of that. I can't 
afford to 
> replenish literally 10s of *thousands* of 
resistors/caps/diodes/whatever AND 
> toss of $2500 of pc boards.
> 
> I think the RoHS is *foolish* not to exclude low volume shipments 
(say <10pcs to 
> a single address in a single shipment). The law is designed for 
*consumer* 
> things like cell phones, iPods, etc that when they break, get 
tossed. Has anyone 
> tossed a MOTM module in the dustbin?
> 
> I don't want to cause widespread *P A N I C*. If you are a EU 
customer and want 
> to email me off-line, please do so.
> 
> Paul S.
>
I must check RoHS import regulations in european not  EU countries 
like Switzerland and Norway...any swiss customer there ?

Martin