MOTM

AFter going through patch book #1, and reading the various posts on
EQs, I wondering about the 31 band EQs.  There are a lot of units on
eBay in the under $80 category.

Would one or two of these be a good investment?
Are there certain manufacturers that I should stay away from?
Would these work well with current modular synth level stadnards?

Feedback appreciated.

Larry T.

Larry T. wrote:
> AFter going through patch book #1, and reading the various posts on
> EQs, I wondering about the 31 band EQs.  There are a lot of units on
> eBay in the under $80 category.
> 
> Would one or two of these be a good investment?
> Are there certain manufacturers that I should stay away from?
> Would these work well with current modular synth level stadnards?

Whatever you do, spend the money and buy a Klark Teknik brand one. They 
are awesome.

The Klark Teknik's appear to be a good match for a MOTM system.  Check out
the great 3D demo on one of the equalizers.  But after buying my MOTM all I
can afford is the Behringer. LOL

John Loffink
The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
http://www.wavemakers-synth.com


> -----Original Message-----
> From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jay
> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 8:47 PM
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> Larry T. wrote:
> > AFter going through patch book #1, and reading the various posts on
> > EQs, I wondering about the 31 band EQs.  There are a lot of units on
> > eBay in the under $80 category.
> >
> > Would one or two of these be a good investment?
> > Are there certain manufacturers that I should stay away from?
> > Would these work well with current modular synth level stadnards?
> 
> Whatever you do, spend the money and buy a Klark Teknik brand one. They
> are awesome.
>

I hear you on that one.  Unfortunately, units in the $300 - $800 range are
out of my reach, especially as this is a hobby for me and produces no
income.  I sure would not mind getting one for Christmas however!

Larry T.
http://www.tfcg.biz/larry 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Loffink [mailto:jloffink@...] 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 7:10 PM
> To: 'Jay'; 'Larry T.'
> Cc: motm@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [motm] Patch Books and EQ's
> 
> The Klark Teknik's appear to be a good match for a MOTM 
> system.  Check out
> the great 3D demo on one of the equalizers.  But after buying 
> my MOTM all I
> can afford is the Behringer. LOL
> 
> John Loffink
> The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
> http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
> The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
> http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Jay
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 8:47 PM
> .
> > Larry T. wrote:
> > > AFter going through patch book #1, and reading the 
> various posts on
> > > EQs, I wondering about the 31 band EQs.  There are a lot 
> of units on
> > > eBay in the under $80 category.
> > >
> > > Would one or two of these be a good investment?
> > > Are there certain manufacturers that I should stay away from?
> > > Would these work well with current modular synth level stadnards?
> > 
> > Whatever you do, spend the money and buy a Klark Teknik 
> brand one. They
> > are awesome.
> > 
> 
> 
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After listening to the demo I have been looking at graphic eq's, its real tempting to get 
one in the $500 range, but I'm goina hold out for the Great River EQ-2NV, mainly cause I 
already have their MP-2NV pre, but I'd realy like be able to use a high end eq anyware not 
just with synths. If anybodybody is in the market for this type of eq check out the controls 
they seem like they would be easy to read and work with.

> > The Klark Teknik's appear to be a good match for a MOTM 
> > system.  Check out
> > the great 3D demo on one of the equalizers.  But after buying 
> > my MOTM all I
> > can afford is the Behringer. LOL

Larry T. writes:
>>AFter going through patch book #1, and reading the various posts on
EQs, I wondering about the 31 band EQs.  There are a lot of units on
eBay in the under $80 category.
Would one or two of these be a good investment?
Are there certain manufacturers that I should stay away from?
Would these work well with current modular synth level stadnards?<<

I've used all of my different EQs with synths and they all work fine as far
as levels.  Some EQs have level controls, but then again so does the output
on you VCA.  I don't know in particular which ones you might want to stay
away from.  Even my cheap Dod 31 band works fine with synths.  I don't know
what $80 gets you used.  I've seen parametrics that sold for $600 new
selling for dirt cheap, so I can't tell by the used price without knowing
the specific model whether it's a good deal or not.

Jay writes:
>>Whatever you do, spend the money and buy a Klark Teknik brand one. They
are awesome.<<

Well you can get a decent quality EQ without spending a fortune.  You can
buy a good 31 band mono EQ new for $100 to $150 by companies like dbx, Art,
or Samson just to name a few from currently looking at a catalog.  $250 to
$300 gets you two channels and maybe long throw sliders.  The Art's are
constant Q, so the band width doesn't get more narrow the more you boost.
Rane's version of a raised cosine EQ is the DEQ 60 and sells for about $800.
Behringer's DEQ1024 sells for about $150.  Both are stereo.

-Elhardt

Re: Great River - Dan's stuff is some of the most musical out there - wish he 
made a compressor! Also, the Speck ASC is great for the money. Possibly 
excellent is the Summit FeQ - haven't heard one yet.

Don't discount cheap EQs, especially for use with electronic sources. If you 
get something that operates a pro levels, you'll be much closer to modular 
levels. The subtleties of of a high end unit are often lost inside a patch.

Barry S.

P.S. If you guys haven't seen this stuff yet, get ready to pop an eyeball (their 
gear sounds phenominal, too):

http://www.vintageking.com/s.nl/sc.18/category.533/.f

Back to semi-on topic: Shadow Hills is rumored to be working on an EQ 
(Pultec or Helios stylee would be my guess).

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "crmatt99" <crmatt99@...> wrote:
>
> After listening to the demo I have been looking at graphic eq's, its real 
tempting to get 
> one in the $500 range, but I'm goina hold out for the Great River EQ-2NV, 
mainly cause I 
> already have their MP-2NV pre, but I'd realy like be able to use a high end 
eq anyware not 
> just with synths. If anybodybody is in the market for this type of eq check out 
the controls 
> they seem like they would be easy to read and work with.

I got an email from Dan after I asked him if he was working on a compressor, answer yes 
but shhhh. No really, I dont know any time frame, but he now sells stuff through 
sweetwater so... (enter movin on up theme song).


--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "coyoteous" <antithesist@...> wrote:

>
> Re: Great River - Dan's stuff is some of the most musical out there - wish he 
> made a compressor! Also, the Speck ASC is great for the money. Possibly 
> excellent is the Summit FeQ - haven't heard one yet.
> 
> Don't discount cheap EQs, especially for use with electronic sources. If you 
> get something that operates a pro levels, you'll be much closer to modular 
> levels. The subtleties of of a high end unit are often lost inside a patch.
> 
> Barry S.
> 
> P.S. If you guys haven't seen this stuff yet, get ready to pop an eyeball (their 
> gear sounds phenominal, too):
> 
> http://www.vintageking.com/s.nl/sc.18/category.533/.f
> 
> Back to semi-on topic: Shadow Hills is rumored to be working on an EQ 
> (Pultec or Helios stylee would be my guess).
> 
> --- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "crmatt99" <crmatt99@> wrote:
> >
> > After listening to the demo I have been looking at graphic eq's, its real 
> tempting to get 
> > one in the $500 range, but I'm goina hold out for the Great River EQ-2NV, 
> mainly cause I 
> > already have their MP-2NV pre, but I'd realy like be able to use a high end 
> eq anyware not 
> > just with synths. If anybodybody is in the market for this type of eq check out 
> the controls 
> > they seem like they would be easy to read and work with.
>

The Klark Teknik DN360 (and earlier DN30/30) are active filter 
circuits, and sound and behave decidely different than the DN27A which 
is inductor-based.  I personally like the inductor type EQ's for 
certain things, and own Altec and White passive EQ's.  You can't call 
them graphic since they use rotary controls, but they (like graphic 
EQ's) are fixed frequency and fixed bandwidth.  For parametrics I like 
SPL, TC, and Midas EQ's, but that is a whole different world than a 
graphic.  And for the money the older Furman parametrics are 
surprisingly musical sounding.

The White's are particularly inexpensive on eBay and elsewhere as used 
items, and are quite clean.  There are other bargains to be had out 
there.  A quick search found this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7395721839

I would stay away from all of the music-store type products as they 
tend to be pretty poor performing devices.  Other than brands I 
mentioned the Rane, BSS, Audient, XTA, ARX, Ashly, some dbx, Symetrix, 
Urei, Orban, Altec, Oxmoor, IRP (very cool transversal equalizers), 
Meyer, Apogee Sound, Crown, and a few others are good. I'm not even 
mentioning the REALLY good stuff like Manley, Massengberg, etc. as that 
is a whole other thing.  In my personal (and experienced) opinion, if 
the company made guitar effect boxes, don't buy a pro sound equalizer 
from them.  Not flame-baiting here... your mileage may vary.

Ivan