Yahoo Groups archive

MOTM

Index last updated: 2026-04-03 01:33 UTC

Thread

Ken Elhardt's Patchbook Series

Ken Elhardt's Patchbook Series

2006-02-28 by Paul Schreiber

Ken & I have worked out an agreement that will allow him to share
some of his remarkable patches with us.

This is a LOT OF WORK on his part, something that people have been
asking for the last 5 years or so. I think his talent is unmatched anywhere
in the world.

In order to fund this, I ask interested parties to PayPal me $10 each time there
is a new Patchbook. Once PayPal gets their fees, the remaining money is used
towards the next book.

This will be a true test of 'Internet honesty', as there is nothing to prevent 
the files
(PDF/MP3) from "magically appearing" on 45 websites 1 hour after downloading.

Sure, I could sit here and burn/mail 50 CDs but I've got better things to do.

So, all I ask is *PLEASE* treat this material correctly. If you want to "share 
it" with
a buddy, have them PayPal me $10. I think this material & time invested is worth 
$10.
I spent $10 on lunch and the afternoon snack at work.

What I will do is collect the email addresses from PayPal and ZIP the files and 
email
you the URL. If I get 40 requests and see 588 downloads I won't be happy.

My PayPal address is: synth1@...

Just put Patchbook #1 as the Subject line.

The first Patchbook focuses on MOTM drums. These patches are quite involved
(requires ~ 10 modules) but VERY realistic and Ken has voice narration 
describing
the patches and how to modify them for a wide variety of sounds.

For the #2 book, I want to hear those flutes/recorders! Patchbook #3 will be
vocal effects, and so on.

Again, we are doing this as a *SERVICE TO YOU* and all we want in return is
for this material to stay with the people that *bought it*.

I will collect PayPal info until this weekend, then send out the info. The info 
will be up
48 hours and then removed from the site. If you can't get it in this 'window' 
let
me know, I'll email it to you (a 7MB ZIP file). Just say Email ZIP File in the 
Comment
text box of the PayPal form.

Paul S.

Re: [motm] Ken Elhardt's Patchbook Series

2006-02-28 by Scott K Warren

I have too, and I'm in for all the ones to come. Everybody please 
support this! -- skw
Show quoted textHide quoted text
On Feb 27, 2006, at 10:26 PM, john mahoney wrote:

> Great! I've anted up and I hope there's enough interest for this to 
> succeed.
>  --
>  john

Re: Ken Elhardt's Patchbook Series

2006-02-28 by mate_stubb

I'm in!

Moe
http://www.stoogeindustries.com

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...> wrote:
>
> Ken & I have worked out an agreement that will allow him to share
> some of his remarkable patches with us.
> 
> This is a LOT OF WORK on his part, something that people have been
> asking for the last 5 years or so. I think his talent is unmatched
anywhere
> in the world.
> 
> In order to fund this, I ask interested parties to PayPal me $10
each time there
> is a new Patchbook. Once PayPal gets their fees, the remaining money
is used
> towards the next book.
>

Re: Ken Elhardt's Patchbook Series

2006-02-28 by tontaub

Paul, 
Ken,

this sounds (well, that maybe a pun) really great!
I'm sure this will be a valuable source of inspiration for _any_
synthesist.
Just ordered my copies ;-)

   cheers, Michael.


--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...> wrote:

> I will collect PayPal info until this weekend, then send out the
info. The info 
> will be up
> 48 hours and then removed from the site. If you can't get it in this
'window' 
> let
> me know, I'll email it to you (a 7MB ZIP file). Just say Email ZIP
File in the 
> Comment
> text box of the PayPal form.

Re: [motm] Re: Ken Elhardt's Patchbook Series

2006-02-28 by THM

I'm in too !!!
I just sent the money from my PayPal account "ghesq...."
Paul - I hope you remember my account - I ordered an MOTM 410 and 480 a few weeks ago and paid via the same account.
Thanks already & best regards,
- Pier -
Show quoted textHide quoted text
----- Original Message -----
From: mate_stubb
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 4:13 PM
Subject: [motm] Re: Ken Elhardt's Patchbook Series

I'm in!

Moe
http://www.stoogeindustries.com

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Schreiber" wrote:
>
> Ken & I have worked out an agreement that will allow him to share
> some of his remarkable patches with us.
>
> This is a LOT OF WORK on his part, something that people have been
> asking for the last 5 years or so. I think his talent is unmatched
anywhere
>; in the world.
>
> In order to fund this, I ask interested parties to PayPal me $10
each time there
> is a new Patchbook. Once PayPal gets their fees, the remaining money
is used
> towards the next book.
>




Re: [motm] Ken Elhardt's Patchbook Series

2006-02-28 by John Laudicina

I paid up last night, I am in for all of them and I
know it will be worth every penny.
John L

--- Scott K Warren <scott@...> wrote:

> I have too, and I'm in for all the ones to come.
> Everybody please 
> support this! -- skw
> 
> 
> On Feb 27, 2006, at 10:26 PM, john mahoney wrote:
> 
> > Great! I've anted up and I hope there's enough
> interest for this to 
> > succeed.
> >  --
> >  john
> 


__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
http://mail.yahoo.com

Re: [motm] Ken Elhardt's Patchbook Series

2006-02-28 by Larry David

As more books come out, will the first ones continue to be available, 
or will only one be available at a time, with the previous ones being 
discontinued?

Larry D.

Re: [motm] Ken Elhardt's Patchbook Series

2006-03-01 by Kenneth Elhardt

Actually Paul should have put up links to my previous Renaissance demos so
people who haven't heard them can determine whether getting the patches to
the drum sounds is what they want, and learn how they can be modified into
countless other drum sounds.  Since I had gotten a number of comments about
how good the percussion sounded when I first posted them, I figured it would
be a good place to start.

http://home.att.net/~elhardt2/MOTM_Renaissance1.mp3

http://home.att.net/~elhardt2/MOTM_Renaissance2.mp3

http://home.att.net/~elhardt2/MOTM_Renaissance3.mp3

Also, new, and hopefully Paul doesn't mind me putting these up as they are
additional selling points (and I did the Indian demo before and independent
of this patch book thing anyway).  Shows just some examples of additional
sounds that can be gotten from the drum patches.  Andromeda is doing the
exotic stringed instruments in the first demo.

http://home.att.net/~synth6/MOTM_A6_Indian.mp3

http://home.att.net/~synth6/MOTM_Indian_Drumming.mp3

Also to those who purchased it,  I had to edit out a bunch of stuff (from
silent moments, single words to entire chunks of stuff) from the audio demo
to get the file size down.  So incase you wonder why there seem to be some
sudden changes in the naration or my voice even within a single sentence,
that's why.

-Elhardt

RE: [motm] Ken Elhardt's Patchbook Series

2006-03-06 by Dave Halliday

Wow -- just got it and this will keep me busy for a while...

Kenneth -- do you have any of your music available on CD?  Gorgeous
stuff.

Dave
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> -----Original Message-----
> From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kenneth Elhardt
> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 8:56 AM
> To: MOTM litserv
> Subject: Re: [motm] Ken Elhardt's Patchbook Series
>

Re: [motm] Ken Elhardt's Patchbook Series

2006-07-12 by John Laudicina

Ken,
I am one of the subscribers to your patch book series
and am dying to know when you will do #2 and 3 and 4
ect...

I really enjoyed trying your patches, unfortunatley
for me I had to improvise some modules because I did
not have all of them but I still enjoyed all of your
efforts.  

I think this list needs a good kick, and I feel since
the Late Great Larry you probably are the one to get
this list off of thier asses.

C'mon Ken you can do it...  Lets hear what you have
been working on.
And by all means how about some patching ideas.

To the rest of you clowns...  I purchased from Paul my
second 410.  this is my favorite filter, and I almost
own all (will be getting my 420 soon) the 410 to me is
the coolest because it does that phat filter sweep on
its own, I dont understand why I never hear people
talking about this filter, they all talk about the 490
and 420 and 440 but the 410 is awsome.

I have been trying to get that heart beat sound like
dark side of the moon, it is a close but no cigar...
any suggestions from the silent majority????

OK I'll get off my soap box
and Ken I have my pay pal ready and I am sure there
are others who would love to get some of those great
patches.

John one of the silent majority

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
http://mail.yahoo.com

Re: [motm] Ken Elhardt's Patchbook Series

2006-07-12 by John Laudicina

OOps I meant I will be getting a 480, I already have
the 420.....

--- John Laudicina <gion2archery@...> wrote:

> Ken,
> I am one of the subscribers to your patch book
> series
> and am dying to know when you will do #2 and 3 and 4
> ect...
> 
> I really enjoyed trying your patches, unfortunatley
> for me I had to improvise some modules because I did
> not have all of them but I still enjoyed all of your
> efforts.  
> 
> I think this list needs a good kick, and I feel
> since
> the Late Great Larry you probably are the one to get
> this list off of thier asses.
> 
> C'mon Ken you can do it...  Lets hear what you have
> been working on.
> And by all means how about some patching ideas.
> 
> To the rest of you clowns...  I purchased from Paul
> my
> second 410.  this is my favorite filter, and I
> almost
> own all (will be getting my 420 soon) the 410 to me
> is
> the coolest because it does that phat filter sweep
> on
> its own, I dont understand why I never hear people
> talking about this filter, they all talk about the
> 490
> and 420 and 440 but the 410 is awsome.
> 
> I have been trying to get that heart beat sound like
> dark side of the moon, it is a close but no cigar...
> any suggestions from the silent majority????
> 
> OK I'll get off my soap box
> and Ken I have my pay pal ready and I am sure there
> are others who would love to get some of those great
> patches.
> 
> John one of the silent majority
> 
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
> protection around 
> http://mail.yahoo.com 
> 


__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
http://mail.yahoo.com

RE: [motm] Ken Elhardt's Patchbook Series

2006-07-12 by Adam Schabtach

> I think this list needs a good kick, and I feel since the 
> Late Great Larry you probably are the one to get this list 
> off of thier asses.

In what sense? The list has been kind of busy recently, relatively speaking.

> ... I dont understand 
> why I never hear people talking about this filter, they all 
> talk about the 490 and 420 and 440 but the 410 is awsome.

Uh, it was discussed just a few days ago, for example. What would you like
to be said about it?

> I have been trying to get that heart beat sound like dark 
> side of the moon, it is a close but no cigar...
> any suggestions from the silent majority????

It sounds like a kick drum with a soft beater and some reverb to me. Maybe
some compression and low-EQ boost also. I'm pretty sure it's not a
synthesizer.
 
--Adam
[RIP, Syd]

Re: [motm] Ken Elhardt's Patchbook Series

2006-07-12 by Andre Majorel

On 2006-07-11 21:47 -0600, Adam Schabtach wrote:

> > I have been trying to get that heart beat sound like dark 
> > side of the moon, it is a close but no cigar...
> > any suggestions from the silent majority????
> 
> It sounds like a kick drum with a soft beater and some reverb
> to me. Maybe some compression and low-EQ boost also. I'm
> pretty sure it's not a synthesizer.

The DVD ("Classic Albums: The Making of Dark Side of the Moon")
says it was bass drum.

-- 
Andr\ufffd Majorel <URL:http://www.teaser.fr/~amajorel/>
Do not use this account for regular correspondence.
See the URL above for contact information.

Re: [motm] heartbeat lfo patch

2006-07-13 by John Laudicina

Ok,  I am going to try and tell you all what I came up
with for my heartbeat patch,  this is my first attempt
to write a patch so maybe someone else can follow it.
I only used 6 modules:

1. MOTM 320 LFO  (Rate 6, shape 6)
      pulse wave out to multiple
2. MOTM 910 mult to:

3. MOTM 490 VCF (Freq 6.75, Res 2.5, FM 10)
    Input from Mult
    FM input from +MOTM 800 ADSR
    Output to .COM Q-115 reverb

4. MOTM 800 ADSR (A-0, D-0, S-10, R-5)
    + output to fm 490 vcf
    Gate input from .COM q-125 signal proc.

5. .COM Q-125 Signal Processor (Invert, Offset -5)
    Output to gate 800 adsr
    Input from Mult

6.  .COM Q-115 Reverb (Drive 7, Amount 6)
      Input from 490 VCF
      Output to mixer

Mixer (eq Hi 0, mid 0, low max)

This sounds pretty cool going through my Mackie HR
824's


Any suggestions?   is there an easier way to write
this on an email, I dont know how to do a block
diagram in email.


John as confused as ever


__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
http://mail.yahoo.com

Re: [motm] Ken Elhardt's Patchbook Series

2006-07-14 by Kenneth Elhardt

It's taking a ridiculously long time for my posts to show up on this damn
list.  Keep in mind this is the same Yahoo whose e-mail service can recieve
e-mail, but many times can't send it.  What good is an e-mail account that
only works in one direction?  Who the hell knows.  Everyday I'm reminded of
how computers are programmed by complete and total idiots.

As for the Patchbook, it has been on my mind for the past couple of months.
The last one was more work than I thought it would be, so it's hard to get
started.  I want to do male and female choirs next, but I need to port the
methods I've used on a couple of other synths over to the MOTM.  The female
voice I did on the MOTM some time ago uses some odd stuff that people don't
have like the Boss Voice Transposer or for male voices and other female
voices it uses the 21 vocoder bands as a filter bank from the SE-70 effects
unit, and with it's fixed resonant nature means it only works over a very
small range.  I've compared my Arturia choirs (similar to my Ion) to
East/West's sampled choirs that come in their Silver package, and they are
surprising close.  I'll do so again to remind myself, but I can't say that
the real sampled voices sound any more real than my synthesized impressions.
In fact, I've created quite a large Tomita sound set on the Arturia
Moogmodular V, mellotron type voices being one of them.  Mellotron flute,
delicate harp, massive pipe organ, full string orchestra with different
bowing styles, and weird spacy Tomita-like synth sounds, are also there.

The thing is I have very little expansion left in my MOTM and I need to pick
wisely what module I want to get paid in, and the one I most want, VC-ADSR,
isn't here yet.  This is assuming Paul still wants to continue with the
Patchbook thing.

I also still need to get the blank patchsheets done.  I haven't forgotten
about that either.

-Elhardt

Re: [motm] Ken Elhardt's Patchbook Series

2006-07-15 by Neil Bradley

> Everyday I'm reminded of how computers are programmed by complete and 
> total idiots.

Being a professional embedded systems and app engineer for 18+ years and a 
hobbyist programmer long before that, I will say that this is a completely 
true statement.

-->Neil

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Neil Bradley            "If you owe the bank $100, it's your problem. If you
Synthcom Systems, Inc.   owe them $100mil, it's the bank's problem." - JP Getty

Re: [motm] Ken Elhardt's Patchbook Series

2006-07-15 by Jason Proctor

>Being a professional embedded systems and app engineer for 18+ years and a
>hobbyist programmer long before that, I will say that this is a completely
>true statement.

and having been in software development for a similar number of 
years, my opinion is that commercial "priorities", scheduling 
"decisions", and cost-cutting on various essential factors (such as 
QA) have a far greater influence on the quality of software in 
general than the IQ of the programmers concerned!

Re: [motm] Ken Elhardt's Patchbook Series

2006-07-15 by Kenneth Elhardt

Jason Proctor writes:
>>and having been in software development for a similar number of
years, my opinion is that commercial "priorities", scheduling
"decisions", and cost-cutting on various essential factors (such as
QA) have a far greater influence on the quality of software in
general than the IQ of the programmers concerned!<<

Yes, that stuff enters into it too.  But from much of the software I've
bought, it seems clear that the programmer didn't even try running the code
he wrote just once to see if it worked.  When a company has been in business
10 years, and is on revision umpteen of a particular piece of software, and
I receive it, and within minutes of first use I've found several major bugs,
I'd say there is something wrong with the programmer.  I don't know how many
decades it should take to get it right.  I've been under the same kinds of
pressures and yet stuff I've written, and we're talking tons of miserable
assembly code in there, has been so bug free, it's gone straight into coin
operated archade games.  Nobody would tolerate those bombing out in the
middle of a level.  It's simple.  Write a line of code, or a routine, then
actually run it to be sure it works.  If it doesn't work, either fix it or
remove it because it shouldn't be in there when the product ships.  The
programmer should be his own beta tester, since people hired to be beta
testers are idiots just like the know-nothing sales people and poser
excutives.

Sorry for my attitude against software, but I'm fed up with every single
software application I own.  NONE of it works correctly.  Even Photoshop and
CoolEdit, the two I used to hold up as rare examples of things that worked
correctly, I've had too many problems with lately because of moronic bugs.
And for those software companies to take the attitude that I should continue
to pay for upgrades to fix their incompetent programming is unacceptable,
and in another industry would be illegal.  Cars get recalled at the
company's expense when they don't work, I shouldn't have to pay endlessly
for bug fixes.

Yes, I'm a little bit in a bitchy mood.  I think it's that time of the
month.  Come to think of it, I have been feeling a bit girlish lately.

-Elhardt

RE: [motm] Ken Elhardt's Patchbook Series - OT: software development

2006-07-15 by Dave Halliday

I agree -- when it was just a couple of people developing a package (Thom
Knoll et. al. for Photoshop), one person (I know the guy's dad but don't
know his son's name) for CoolEdit and Nick Bradbury for HomeSite and
TopStyle web editing software, the quality of code is consistently high.
The project is also a labor of love so releases are pushed back until it is
"right".  When these people get bought out or grow much larger, development
gets parceled out to various groups and the interaction between these groups
is about as good as any committee (ie: lousy).

Used to work for Microsoft as a hardware lab manager maintaining the
equipment used for testing various applications. I would sit in on meetings
where triage was being done -- what bugs are showstoppers and what bugs can
be fixed by a slipstream release.  And then, you get into the interactions
and dependencies between modules... DLL Hell indeed...

In the case of Microsoft, no one programmer rally gets to run the finished
application until it is in pre-beta and by then, 90% of the code has been
locked down.  Lousy way to run a company but that is the model they have
chosen and sometimes, you just have to shoot the developers and start
shipping what you got.

An interesting site that addresses this is Joel on Software:
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/

[/rant]
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> -----Original Message-----
> From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kenneth Elhardt
> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 6:37 PM
> To: MOTM
> Subject: Re: [motm] Ken Elhardt's Patchbook Series
> 
> 
> Jason Proctor writes:
> >>and having been in software development for a similar number of
> years, my opinion is that commercial "priorities", scheduling
> "decisions", and cost-cutting on various essential factors (such as
> QA) have a far greater influence on the quality of software in
> general than the IQ of the programmers concerned!<<
> 
> Yes, that stuff enters into it too.  But from much of the 
> software I've
> bought, it seems clear that the programmer didn't even try 
> running the code
> he wrote just once to see if it worked.  When a company has 
> been in business
> 10 years, and is on revision umpteen of a particular piece of 
> software, and
> I receive it, and within minutes of first use I've found 
> several major bugs,
> I'd say there is something wrong with the programmer.  I 
> don't know how many
> decades it should take to get it right.  I've been under the 
> same kinds of
> pressures and yet stuff I've written, and we're talking tons 
> of miserable
> assembly code in there, has been so bug free, it's gone 
> straight into coin
> operated archade games.  Nobody would tolerate those bombing 
> out in the
> middle of a level.  It's simple.  Write a line of code, or a 
> routine, then
> actually run it to be sure it works.  If it doesn't work, 
> either fix it or
> remove it because it shouldn't be in there when the product 
> ships.  The
> programmer should be his own beta tester, since people hired 
> to be beta
> testers are idiots just like the know-nothing sales people and poser
> excutives.
> 
> Sorry for my attitude against software, but I'm fed up with 
> every single
> software application I own.  NONE of it works correctly.  
> Even Photoshop and
> CoolEdit, the two I used to hold up as rare examples of 
> things that worked
> correctly, I've had too many problems with lately because of 
> moronic bugs.
> And for those software companies to take the attitude that I 
> should continue
> to pay for upgrades to fix their incompetent programming is 
> unacceptable,
> and in another industry would be illegal.  Cars get recalled at the
> company's expense when they don't work, I shouldn't have to 
> pay endlessly
> for bug fixes.
> 
> Yes, I'm a little bit in a bitchy mood.  I think it's that time of the
> month.  Come to think of it, I have been feeling a bit girlish lately.
> 
> -Elhardt
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor 
> --------------------~--> 
> Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups.  See the new 
> email design.
> http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/VpLolB/TM
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> ------~-> 
> 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
>

Re: [motm] Ken Elhardt's Patchbook Series

2006-07-15 by Neil Bradley

>> Being a professional embedded systems and app engineer for 18+ years and a
>> hobbyist programmer long before that, I will say that this is a completely
>> true statement.
> and having been in software development for a similar number of
> years, my opinion is that commercial "priorities", scheduling
> "decisions", and cost-cutting on various essential factors (such as
> QA) have a far greater influence on the quality of software in
> general than the IQ of the programmers concerned!

I've always found the "we had to ship it before it was ready" to be an 
excuse for those who have no ability to push back to their program 
management, and also an excuse for developers to be sloppy. I don't 
believe making a schedule and making a quality product are mutually 
exclusive. Cutting corners is something you can do and still make a good 
product. One just has to cut the *RIGHT* corners. The problem is most 
don't.

I guess I'm one of these rare people who will actually take an arrow and 
ship a product slightly late or slightly defeatured to maintain quality.

Then there are the "developers" who don't check function result codes, 
have intermittently/oddly behaved code that crashes, uninitialized 
variables, incorrectly applied algorithms, don't check ranges, have no 
concept of thread synchronization, leaving breaks off case statements, 
memory leaks, no respect for system resources, and general sloppiness and 
ignorance of their environment where rebooting the system is both 
acceptable and expected. It's pathetic! And there are a hundred of these 
types of "developers" for every one decent developer.

I'm jaded because the software I regularly release must have uptime 
measured in years, and I've cleaned up so much ill written unstable code 
in my life it's practically half my career. Lines of code number in the 
300K+ range, and I and other team members of mine achieve this because we 
pay attention to what we're doing, test what we write, and push back to 
management with alternatives when they try to make us do something that 
may sacrifice the quality of the product. Doesn't seem like it's 
unachievable by anyone who actually cares or knows what they're doing. But 
most don't, hence Kenneth's gripes, of which I completely agree with. And 
don't get me started on some of the code we get from "outsourcing" houses.

Don't get me wrong - there are some VERY good programs out there. But when 
I hear stories about people learning JAVA because they can't understand 
pointers, it makes me yearn for a world where compilers of all languages 
and assemblers are kept out of the hands of the undisciplined.

-->Neil

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Neil Bradley            "If you owe the bank $100, it's your problem. If you
Synthcom Systems, Inc.   owe them $100mil, it's the bank's problem." - JP Getty

software [was elhardt's patchbook series]

2006-07-15 by Jason Proctor

the basic problem i see is that various industries based on 
engineering of one form or another allow nontechnical people to make 
technical decisions.

that's it for me on this clearly OT thread :-)

Development thoughts [was Ken Elhardt's Patchbook Series]

2006-07-15 by Greg James

I guess I have to put my 2(00) cents in, here:

If it were *A* professional programmer, you wouldn't have these problems. In
my experience (25+ years), commercial software suffers from poor management
as Jason suggests. To answer Ken's question (which he indirectly answered
himself), these kinds of problems hit the street because managers:

- Still haven't learned about scope creep
- Can't manage large(r) project teams and projects
- Refuse to acknowledge the reality of testing and QA
- Are generally ignorant about what it takes to produce code

Ken, your code was clean because you did it all: wrote the entire program,
tested it, and perhaps even spec'd and designed it. You also had something
else that a lot of programmers unfortunately do not: a good grasp of the
problem being solved. When software deliverables are split up amongst a
bunch of analysts, programmers, and if your lucky, a QA/testing person, the
project is glued together by a manager or committee who are administrators,
not software developers or users of their product, they are put under
artificial pressure before they've even started, it's a recipe for bugs.

There's always good and bad (_______) fill in the blank (programmers,
project managers, ...). It doesn't surprise me that Ken's code is virtually
bug free. Knowing his synth programming skills and attention to detail, I
believe his claim without a doubt.

To offer an example and bring this thread back on topic: Let's look at
Paul's
foray into software with MOTM:

- How long have we been waiting for the 650?

Paul clearly understands the product. There are, what, 2 maybe 3 people
involved with it's development (I'm guessing from what I've read in Paul's
posts). Paul has made a concerted effort to alpha and beta test. And guess
what, many of us are still waiting. Why? Because Paul is also the manager
and he's got a clear idea of the acceptable quality the product must have
and he's decided what other priorities will impact the schedule (Fraq
format,
running MOTM operations, dealing with business disruptions, ...).

I get the sense that most of us are here because of the quality. If that's
the case, then our loyalty agrees with Paul to the extent that he makes
decisions that do not compromise quality. That's part of the price we pay
to do business with him.

Unfortunately, way too much commercial software isn't developed with quality
as the uncompromised attribute. Cost and ship date have always won out in my
experience.

Now I'd like to weigh-in on the new Audio Engine direction, since MOTM is
taking a path straight into major software territory. Here's some questions
for Paul which he may or may not choose to answer, but they are what's on my
mind:

- What happens to all of this if the Xilinx guru gets hit by a bus? And as
we painfully know in MOTM-land, it's already happened to some extent.

- These modules are going to be software black boxes. With the circuit-based
modules, I have a reasonable chance of fixing something if it wonks-out. The
Audio Engines sound like they're going to be throw-aways if something goes
wrong, especially in or around the chip. This is true for many of us
regarding
SMT, too. Maintainability in the field has been an unsung attribute of MOTM
gear thus far.

- What's going to happen when someone like Ken finds a niggle in the code,
but 80-90% of the rest of us don't really need that or care? Is the firmware
going to be updated anyway? Or will time and effort (cost) mean that Ken or
whomever just has to live with the shortcoming? Remember - the end user will
not be able to mod or patch these things themselves like many have done with
the hardware-based modules.

- No design can do it all. All modules have their "sweet spot." At the end
of the day, I'm curious about how the Audio Engine modules will sound. MOTM
today means quality in construction and sound. Paul (and Jeurgen, and other
collaborators) has been nothing short of brilliant in bringing MOTM to us.
But this is new territory. I'm not thinking too much about this one because
of Paul's track record, but you never know.

OK, sorry for the essay on Saturday morning, and I appreciate anyone who had
the patience to get here.

Paul: I'm still a happy customer (but not happy about losing the kits)

Jeurgen: I listen to your CDs a lot, and one of these days I'll write you
about them. To all others - If you like very interesting, atmospheric music,
check JH's CDs out. I bought the whole set and am not disappointed.

Ken: May you not encounter what I described above with the new modules. And
thanks again for turning me on to the great deal for Arturia's Moog Modular
software.

-Greg