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It looks like Mouser is changing the way it sells some of its
resistors. I was checking this morning, and many of the 1/4 watt 1%
values are listed as 1000 pc. minimum. I just placed an order last
week for some lower quantities, and those same items are now listed
with the new higher minimums, so this must have been changed just
recently, like over the weekend. This could spell trouble for
hobbyists and DIYers, especially with the limited shelf life of the
ROHS compliant components. I don't imagine it will be much of an issue
for Paul, will it?
~Terry

Hmm... I just checked their website, and the ones I bought last, 1/4W 1%
Xicons, are still available in minimums of 10 pieces.

--Adam

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> From: Terry [mailto:tahrens@...]
> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 9:35 AM
> To: motm@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [motm] Mouser resistors
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> It looks like Mouser is changing the way it sells some of its
> resistors. I was checking this morning, and many of the 1/4
> watt 1% values are listed as 1000 pc. minimum. I just placed
> an order last week for some lower quantities, and those same
> items are now listed with the new higher minimums, so this
> must have been changed just recently, like over the weekend.
> This could spell trouble for hobbyists and DIYers, especially
> with the limited shelf life of the ROHS compliant components.
> I don't imagine it will be much of an issue for Paul, will it?
> ~Terry

I did check www.mouser.com It looks like some resistors are still
available in singles and at my favorite price of 200 for $4. But other
values are listed at 1000 pc minimum. Could it be a mistake in the
catalog or website? Why would some values have only a 1000 minimum?

As for Digikey, a quick search turns up part number P100KCACT-ND RES
METAL FILM 100K OHM 1/4W 1%. Price: 200 for $13.05. I'd rather stick
with Mouser, where I could get 1000 for $12.00. But I hope I can still
order 200, even if they do cost 0.02 each.

-Richard Brewster

Adam Schabtach wrote:

>Hmm... I just checked their website, and the ones I bought last, 1/4W 1%
>Xicons, are still available in minimums of 10 pieces.
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>--Adam
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Terry [mailto:tahrens@...]
>>Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 9:35 AM
>>To: motm@yahoogroups.com
>>Subject: [motm] Mouser resistors
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>>It looks like Mouser is changing the way it sells some of its
>>resistors. I was checking this morning, and many of the 1/4
>>watt 1% values are listed as 1000 pc. minimum. I just placed
>>an order last week for some lower quantities, and those same
>>items are now listed with the new higher minimums, so this
>>must have been changed just recently, like over the weekend.
>>This could spell trouble for hobbyists and DIYers, especially
>>with the limited shelf life of the ROHS compliant components.
>>I don't imagine it will be much of an issue for Paul, will it?
>>~Terry
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Sometimes Mouser has two different part numbers for quantity discount items
and the "piece part" items. Which resistor values are 1000 piece minimum?

John Loffink
The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
http://www.wavemakers-synth.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Richard Brewster
>
> I did check www.mouser.com It looks like some resistors are still
> available in singles and at my favorite price of 200 for $4. But other
> values are listed at 1000 pc minimum. Could it be a mistake in the
> catalog or website? Why would some values have only a 1000 minimum?
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> As for Digikey, a quick search turns up part number P100KCACT-ND RES
> METAL FILM 100K OHM 1/4W 1%. Price: 200 for $13.05. I'd rather stick
> with Mouser, where I could get 1000 for $12.00. But I hope I can still
> order 200, even if they do cost 0.02 each.

What do you mean limited shelf life????

--- Adam Schabtach <adam@...> wrote:

> Hmm... I just checked their website, and the ones I
> bought last, 1/4W 1%
> Xicons, are still available in minimums of 10
> pieces.
>
> --Adam
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Terry [mailto:tahrens@...]
> > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 9:35 AM
> > To: motm@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [motm] Mouser resistors
> >
> > It looks like Mouser is changing the way it sells
> some of its
> > resistors. I was checking this morning, and many
> of the 1/4
> > watt 1% values are listed as 1000 pc. minimum. I
> just placed
> > an order last week for some lower quantities, and
> those same
> > items are now listed with the new higher minimums,
> so this
> > must have been changed just recently, like over
> the weekend.
> > This could spell trouble for hobbyists and DIYers,
> especially
> > with the limited shelf life of the ROHS compliant
> components.
> > I don't imagine it will be much of an issue for
> Paul, will it?
> > ~Terry
>
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>

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> What do you mean limited shelf life????

You have *1 year* to use them or the leads will oxidize up.

Paul S.

You can always re-tin them... right? ::freaks out::

Paul Schreiber wrote:

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How about storing under CO2 or Argon?

I'm a home brewer and I also weld so I could take a 5-gallon keg and use
it for storage.

You can by used 5-Gallon stainless steel Pepsi soda kegs from home brew
stores for about $20. Fittings to put the gas in for another $5 or so.
Find someone who is a home brewer or a TIG welder and offer to build
something for them if they would top off your keg whenever you needed to
fish out some parts...

Dave

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> From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Geoff
> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 8:34 PM
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> Subject: Re: [motm] Mouser resistors
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> You can always re-tin them... right? ::freaks out::
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So, what about those of us who've bought kits and stored them for
more than a year? What do/can we do?

-Greg

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From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
Geoff
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 11:34 PM
Cc: motm@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [motm] Mouser resistors


You can always re-tin them... right? ::freaks out::

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> So, what about those of us who've bought kits and stored them for
> more than a year? What do/can we do?

Those resistors *ARE NOT RoHS* and so you are OK. They can last 25 years, no
problem.

Paul S.

> Wow is this RoHS stuff a scam or what.

One person's scam is another person's attempt to save the planet.

Ever taken your old computer hardware down to the recycling center, and seen
the vast sea of electronic waste it's joining? It's a sobering experience.
What, you don't recycle your old computers? Then you're making my point.

Unfortunately shifting to lead-free parts does make things difficult for
DIYers. I'm afraid, though, even as a DIYer since I was old enough to hold a
soldering iron (which was, uh... at least 30 years ago) that I have to agree
it's a necessary change.

If you think RoHS is inconvenient, wait a couple of decades and see what
gasoline rationing is like.

--Adam

>> Wow is this RoHS stuff a scam or what.
> One person's scam is another person's attempt to save the planet.

In this case, regardless of intent, the whole lead free thing can easily
qualify as a "scam" (much like the "cell phone/FM radio on a plane is a
safety hazard" myth). Lead poisioning is a very, very small threat anyway,
and most landfills are full of all kinds of cleaners, plastics, etc...
that are 100X the health threat, but no one is thinking about that because
today's whipping boy is lead.

Besides, the lead free stuff contains cadmium and mercury which are
hundreds of times more dangerous than lead, and in higher concentrations
as well. To help underscore my point, get any of the solder manufacturers
to accurate list what's in their solder (and the ratios). They also all
come with notes that "contents of this solder are considered harmful to
the environment", so it's likely we're trading one percieved evil for
other real evils.

I'm all for environmentalism, but sheesh, apply some logic and science to
it.

-->Neil

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What are they crazy, this makes no sense, how
enviromently conscious are these as-holes. now you
will have to throw away thousands of resistors because
of the idiot bunny huggers.
Give me a break.

Now I have stopped ranting, if the leads will oxidise
in ayears time why wont they do this when they are
mounted on the circut board?

What if we store our resistors in food saver bags
maybes this will slow down the oxidation.. I will put
that in the freezer, my wife will kill me... Help I'm
a ROCK

I think our society is out of hand, I'm stepping out.
goodbye cruel world, I was thinking if it wasnt for
the VietNam war, the 60's and early 70's were allot
more fun than NOW.

Something to think about
over and out




--- Paul Schreiber <synth1@...> wrote:

> > What do you mean limited shelf life????
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> You have *1 year* to use them or the leads will
> oxidize up.
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If you have one year to use them are they going to
have a date code on them. How do you know how long
the supplier has them on thier shelves????
talk about planned obsolence/

Can you still buy the good old fashioned resistors?


--- Geoff <overand@...> wrote:

> You can always re-tin them... right? ::freaks out::
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> Paul Schreiber wrote:
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> >>What do you mean limited shelf life????
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Wow is this RoHS stuff a scam or what.

-George

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From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
To: "Adam Schabtach" <adam@...>; <motm@yahoogroups.com>; "John
Laudicina" <gion2archery@...>
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: [motm] Mouser resistors


> > What do you mean limited shelf life????
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> You have *1 year* to use them or the leads will oxidize up.
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> Paul S.