MOTM

I've found a 1U tall, 19" wide panel design from 0.090 thick aluminum that
will be rigid enough for mults. I don't think the 0.035 difference will
matter all
that much, being in-between MOTM rows. My sheet metal supplier makes 500
a month of these as patch panels for a telcom company.

I would sell this as a "semi-kit": just the panel and jacks. You would
decide yourself how to wire it up.
(Wire not provided). I may make a small number of units up for fully
assembled systems.

Any interest? If nothing else, makes connectiong to my Pro 2000 easier! (as
opposed to
Larry's Magic Kenton Ears)

Paul S.

-----Original Message-----
From: J. Larry Hendry <jlarryh@...>
To: motm@onelist.com <motm@onelist.com>
Date: Saturday, November 13, 1999 9:48 PM

Subject: [motm] First "magic bus" cut


>From: "J. Larry Hendry" <jlarryh@...>
>
>Well, I finally got around to turning talk into action tonight and cut and
>drilled out the first one of "Larry's magic bus" as the thing got dubbed
>some time ago.  Essentially, this is a horizontal multiple panel that is
>designed for the big ole' wood case approach.  The bus is 7/8" tall and 42"
>wide (that's 24 MOTM units).  I duplicated Paul's spacing (as close as I
>could tell) for Switchcraft jacks on the MOTM panels.  So, each jack is
>spaced on 7/8" centers with the end jacks centered 7/16" from the end.
>When this multiple and normalling patch bay is installed directly under one
>row of MOTM modules it will look almost like one more row of jacks on the
>bottom of each panel.  Now, I just need to get busy and make some more and
>look for a paint shop.
>
>I do like the way it turned out since the space allocated for each jack is
>7/8" both wide and tall.
>
>Larry (and his crazy magic bus) Hendry
>
>>

I'm definitely interested!  My idea is to have two of these, one below each
row of MOTM in my SKB mixer case.  The jacks in the upper multiplier panel
would be wired/normalled to the corresponding jacks in the lower multiplier
panel so I can patch between rows without having lots of cords over the
faces of the lower row of MOTM (or was that already Larry's Magic Bus idea
that I just didn't understand properly ... ?).

	-Doug
	 ceres@...

At 10:31 PM 11/13/99 -0600, you wrote:

>From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
>
>I've found a 1U tall, 19" wide panel design from 0.090 thick aluminum that
>will be rigid enough for mults. I don't think the 0.035 difference will
>matter all
>that much, being in-between MOTM rows. My sheet metal supplier makes 500
>a month of these as patch panels for a telcom company.
>
>I would sell this as a "semi-kit": just the panel and jacks. You would
>decide yourself how to wire it up.
>(Wire not provided). I may make a small number of units up for fully
>assembled systems.
>
>Any interest? If nothing else, makes connectiong to my Pro 2000 easier! (as
>opposed to
>Larry's Magic Kenton Ears)
>
>Paul S.

> From: Doug Pearson <ceres@...>
> 
> I'm definitely interested!  My idea is to have two of these, one below
each
> row of MOTM in my SKB mixer case.  The jacks in the upper multiplier
panel
> would be wired/normalled to the corresponding jacks in the lower
multiplier
> panel so I can patch between rows without having lots of cords over the
> faces of the lower row of MOTM (or was that already Larry's Magic Bus
idea
> that I just didn't understand properly ... ?).

Well, that is part of the purpose of Larry's magic bus Doug.  It would
provide some normalled connections and some mutliples, and really whatever
each user might want.  The primary difference is that what Paul will be
offering is a 1U rack space module.  That should provide space for 40 jacks
(2 rows of 20) following the same spacing as the MOTM modules.  If I was
planning to stay with a rack, this is exactly what I would want.  And, the
purpose is exactly as you have suggested, to provide connections to the
modules directly below so as to avoid cables transversing up and down
between rows as much as possible.

My magic bus strip is the same thing designed for those of us planning to
house our MOTM modules in "Moog style" wooden cases.  So, instead of 10
units wide like a MOTM rack, it will be 24 units wide (to match the case
width).  Since it will be so wide (that's 48 jacks across), I decided to go
with 1 row of jacks instead of two (I thought 96 jacks below each row would
be a tad excessive).  So my magic bus (someone else coined that name, not
me) is only 7/8 inches tall (1/2 rack space). 

I'm glad to see Paul coming out with these as I believe that horizontal
multiples just below the modules make much more sense that a multiple panel
some place on the synth that looks like "phone company central" once you
get a few multiples made up.

So, you and I are thinking the same Doug.  Now, what it is they say about
great minds think......  HA HA.

Larry (working on magic bus # 2) Hendry

*** jlarryh@... writes:
>>I'm glad to see Paul coming out with these as I believe that horizontal
 multiples just below the modules make much more sense that a multiple panel
 some place on the synth that looks like "phone company central" once you
 get a few multiples made up.<<

When talking to Paul on the phone the one time I did, I told him that 
multiples in a totally non standard MOTM format would be a mistake.  If he 
does both configurations, then no problem.  But a 19" wide multiple screws 
over everybody who doesn't have an exact 10U wide synth, in addition to those 
who already built cases.  He could avoid the "phone company central" look if 
he just goes with a 1U wide module, so the user could better disperse them 
about his synth.

-Elhardt
(Someone who would like to see a new Patch Panel product in a stand alone box 
for general studio use and patching, and replacement of some of the banana 
jacks with RCA connectors.)

> From: Elhardt@...
> When talking to Paul on the phone the one time I did, I told him that 
> multiples in a totally non standard MOTM format would be a mistake.  If
he 
> does both configurations, then no problem.  But a 19" wide multiple
screws 
> over everybody who doesn't have an exact 10U wide synth, in addition to
those 
> who already built cases.  He could avoid the "phone company central" look
if 
> he just goes with a 1U wide module, so the user could better disperse
them 
> about his synth.

I don't disagree with that at all.  Those of use wanting long width
horizontal multiples are having to DIY the job.  I have mine nearly
finished (the mechanical part) for a 24U wide case.  Of course, once the 1U
MOTM blanks are available (hint hint), one could easily make their own to
their own taste for racks too.  I agree with you 100% that 1U scattered are
much better than 2U multiples.  However, I just happen to think that
horizontals under the modules are even better.  That's the great thing,
each can choose what suits his own needs best.  All you need is a panel, a
drill, and a little time.  Of course, I realize not all MOTM users are into
any diy.  But, surely you guys that are building yours are.

I need some blank 1U multiples for this cursed normalling of some CVs that
Dave (the primary stooge) has got me interested in.  If John B (secondary
stooge) and I can get the 317 options narrowed down to one or two....
well...

Larry H.

Ringing in a little late ...

> I've found a 1U tall, 19" wide panel design from 0.090 thick aluminum that
> will be rigid enough for mults. I don't think the 0.035 difference will
> matter all
> that much, being in-between MOTM rows. My sheet metal supplier makes 500
> a month of these as patch panels for a telcom company.
> 
> I would sell this as a "semi-kit": just the panel and jacks. You would
> decide yourself how to wire it up.
> (Wire not provided). I may make a small number of units up for fully
> assembled systems.

Damn, now this messes up my grand plan - you see, all my rack space is
multiples of ten units, so I was hoping for a 1U wide MOTM mult ...

No, of course these horizontal mults are a good idea, better than having a
little vertical mult way over at the left that you have to reach for, even
in a 19" rack system.  I would get one now, probably more later when I get
rackage figured out.  I know y'all are building those pretty wood cases
but I'm an "open frames and matte black metal" kind of guy.

Just as long as we don't have another long thread about colored washers :)

Incidentally - I just got an order of patchcords from Wacky Kovacy, big
kudos to whoever first posted about him.  Good stuff, the plugs slide much
nicer than what I've been using.  Also there were two pairs of day-glo
socks on top of all the styrofoam peanuts.  They did say "BOSS" because
he's trying to sell guitar pedals, but they're still day-glo socks!  (One
green pair and one pink pair.)

peace,
Chris Jeris

-----Original Message-----

From: Christopher Jeris <cjeris@...>
To: motm@onelist.com <motm@onelist.com>
Date: 16 November 1999 17:52
Subject: Re: [motm] Paul's Minibus
Also there were two pairs of day-glo
>socks on top of all the styrofoam peanuts.  They did say "BOSS" because
>he's trying to sell guitar pedals, but they're still day-glo socks!  (One
>green pair and one pink pair.)


that would be another four reasons why i should still solder my own - i
generally wear military surplus East German border guard boots (\ufffd23 and ten
years and still going strong) - and as i walk heavy have to wear two pairs
of heavy knit woollen socks - even in summer (even in summer in italy too)
anyone want to start a sock thread..?
i have a minor solution to the minibus "problem" - but it's 11u wide and 15u
high - i'm still waiting for some metalwork (as i seem inable to cut in a
straight line), but it should be a niftly little box of tricks when
finished - the secret - as always - is in the horizontal struts - more
details when it actually works...
cheers
paul

> From: "Paul R Bower" <vulture.squadron@...>

> anyone want to start a sock thread..?

Just find a loose end and pull, you will start your own <snicker>.

> i have a minor solution to the minibus "problem" - but it's 11u wide and
15u
> high - i'm still waiting for some metalwork (as i seem inable to cut in a
> straight line), but it should be a niftly little box of tricks when
> finished - the secret - as always - is in the horizontal struts - more
> details when it actually works...

Now you can fit a lot of multiples into a panel 11U wide and 15U tall.  

Larry (feeling really Stoogy dreaming about 320s shipping next week) Hendry