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Re: [motm] "Wooden Recoder" 440 demo

Re: [motm] "Wooden Recoder" 440 demo

2005-05-15 by elhardt@att.net

earthtodylan2000 writes:
>>How was this done? Sounds incredible. What what other modules were used? How were they patched?<<

Paul S. writes:
>>This is of course Ken Elhardt. I don't know if he ever published his patch, it's a MOTM-440 VCF and I think 2 VCOs. Outboard EQ helps some.<<

Gee, my complex programming has been reduced to a VCF and a couple of VCOs? There's a lot more to it, including a 410 triple filter, noise modulated resonance for a fuzzy breathy sound, BC-3 breath controller modifying loudness, brightness and some pitch for a very realistic and expressive sound, and a bunch more. I did post that patch a long while back but put it back up again. Get it now before I remove it to make room for other things. Note the controls that change it from a more flat flute sound to a hollow wooden recorder sound.

http://home.att.net/~elhardt4/MOTM_Flute_Patchsheet.JPG

-Elhardt

Re: [motm] "Wooden Recoder" 440 demo

2005-05-16 by Mike Estee

> Paul S. writes:
>>> This is of course Ken Elhardt. I don't know if he ever published his patch, it's a MOTM-440 VCF and I think 2 VCOs. Outboard EQ helps some.<<
>
> Gee, my complex programming has been reduced to a VCF and a couple of VCOs? There's a lot more to it, including a 410 triple filter, noise modulated resonance for a fuzzy breathy sound, BC-3 breath controller modifying loudness, brightness and some pitch for a very realistic and expressive sound, and a bunch more. I did post that patch a long while back but put it back up again. Get it now before I remove it to make room for other things. Note the controls that change it from a more flat flute sound to a hollow wooden recorder sound.
>
> http://home.att.net/~elhardt4/MOTM_Flute_Patchsheet.JPG

So I'm sure this has crossed your mind once before, but have you ever
considered writing a book? I would love to see some of your complex
patches broken down and explained. To the best of my knowledge, there
really isn't any definitive work on the subject. (Apologies to any
potential authors of the definitive work on this list...)

Oh, and when you do, I want a copy...
--mikes

Re: [motm] "Wooden Recoder" 440 demo

2005-05-17 by Dino Leone

I can only agree!!!! That would be a truly fantastic
thing!
Granted, such a book would probably not sell like
Clinton's biography, but it would be my most favorite
book of the year!

With Best Wishes,

Dino


--- Mike Estee <squeeker@...> wrote:
> So I'm sure this has crossed your mind once before,
> but have you ever
> considered writing a book? I would love to see some
> of your complex
> patches broken down and explained. To the best of my
> knowledge, there
> really isn't any definitive work on the subject.
> (Apologies to any
> potential authors of the definitive work on this
> list...)
>
> Oh, and when you do, I want a copy...
> --mikes
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RE: [motm] "Wooden Recoder" 440 demo

2005-05-17 by J. Larry Hendry

I'd pay $100-150 for a nice book well written on the subject. I have some
reading material, but none of it was written from the well rounded
experience with patching that Ken has shown us.

Larry H

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I can only agree!!!! That would be a truly fantastic
thing!
Granted, such a book would probably not sell like
Clinton's biography, but it would be my most favorite
book of the year!

With Best Wishes,

Dino


--- Mike Estee <squeeker@...> wrote:
> So I'm sure this has crossed your mind once before,
> but have you ever
> considered writing a book? I would love to see some
> of your complex
> patches broken down and explained. To the best of my
> knowledge, there
> really isn't any definitive work on the subject.
> (Apologies to any
> potential authors of the definitive work on this
> list...)
>
> Oh, and when you do, I want a copy...
> --mikes
>
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RE: [motm] "Wooden Recoder" 440 demo

2005-05-17 by Mike Estee

On Tue, 17 May 2005, J. Larry Hendry wrote:

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> I'd pay $100-150 for a nice book well written on the subject. I have some
> reading material, but none of it was written from the well rounded
> experience with patching that Ken has shown us

I'd agree with that. A well illustraited, clearly written book on the
topic of analog synthesis as it pertains to creating realistic simulations
would be worth ~100$ to me as well.

--mikes

Re: [motm] "Wooden Recoder" 440 demo

2005-05-17 by Greg Amann

My preference would be that the book take on a "working book" as opposed
to "coffee table book" approach.

The binding would be spiral-bound allowing it to lie open at any page.
It would be B&W to keep the cost down. It would concentrate on analog
modular synth patches. It would demonstrate using a variety of
different manufacturer's modules. It would show a patch, list the
specific modules used and how other modules would perhaps lead to
similar results, and the original conception behind the patch. (As an
aside: I am fascinated by the juxtaposition of the "I have an idea for a
sound so I will go to the synth and try to make my dream a reality" vs
the "I will play with my synth and see what happens" schools of thinking.)

Someone more learned than I needs to write this book and sell me one, BFG


Mike Estee wrote:

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> On Tue, 17 May 2005, J. Larry Hendry wrote:
>
> > I'd pay $100-150 for a nice book well written on the subject. I
> have some
> > reading material, but none of it was written from the well rounded
> > experience with patching that Ken has shown us
>
> I'd agree with that. A well illustraited, clearly written book on the
> topic of analog synthesis as it pertains to creating realistic
> simulations
> would be worth ~100$ to me as well.
>
> --mikes
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RE: [motm] "Wooden Recoder" 440 demo

2005-05-18 by Seth Elgart

At 8:46 AM -0700 5/17/05, Mike Estee wrote:
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> > I'd pay $100-150 for a nice book well written on the subject. I have some
>> reading material, but none of it was written from the well rounded
>> experience with patching that Ken has shown us
>
>I'd agree with that. A well illustraited, clearly written book on the
>topic of analog synthesis as it pertains to creating realistic simulations
>would be worth ~100$ to me as well.

This might take some work, but if you could dig up the old issues of
Keyboard Magazine (or maybe under the older name of Contemporary
Keyboard) and look up Roger Powell's columns you'd get a great
introduction to simulating acoustic instruments. I still remember his
description of all the bits of a drum sound (i.e., stick tap, head
vibration, shell resonance) and how that opened my eyes to listening,
in a sense. I think there were some columns or articles around that
time by Larry Fast as well that went in the same direction. While not
a $100 book, those columns will certainly be a good start if you can
find them.

Seth

Re: [motm] "Wooden Recoder" 440 demo

2005-05-18 by Andrew Sanchez

On 5/17/05, Seth Elgart <selgart@...> wrote:
This might take some work, but if you could dig up the old issues of
Keyboard Magazine (or maybe under the older name of Contemporary
Keyboard) and look up Roger Powell's columns you'd get a great
introduction to simulating acoustic instruments. I still remember his
description of all the bits of a drum sound (i.e., stick tap, head
vibration, shell resonance) and how that opened my eyes to listening,
in a sense. I think there were some columns or articles around that
time by Larry Fast as well that went in the same direction. While not
a $100 book, those columns will certainly be a good start if you can
find them.

Seth



Hi,
Another good read on this topic is "A Synthesist's Guide to Acoustic Instruments" (ISBN: 0825610893).

This book, (by Howard Massey, Alex Noyes, Daniel Shklair), discusses the basic sonic makeup of various instruments, and describes how to re-create these sounds on a DX7, a Phase Distortion synth (Casio), and also a subtractive synth. There was even a plastic soundsheet with audio examples.

Some of the patches were a bit complex using mutiple LFOs, EGs, or what-have-you. I remember back then (1987) being a bit frustrated trying to patch some of these sounds using an a Roland SH-1. ;-)

Andrew





I remember being frustrated back then trying to patch some of these sounds on a SH-1. ;-)

Andrew


Re: [motm] "Wooden Recoder" 440 demo

2005-05-18 by groovyshaman

Probably the best book I have ever read on the overall subject of synthesis
is the 2nd edition of "Electronic Music: Systems, Controls & Techniques" by
Alan Strange. Definitely a "working book" approach. Unfortunately its out
of print, although I thought at one point I had read on this list that there
was a way to get copies from a new publisher... here's the original
publisher info:

2nd ed, 1983 WC Brown, softcover, 274ppg, ISBN 0697036022
1st ed, 1972 WC Brown, 160ppg, ISBN 069703612X

That being said, I'd be interested in another good synthesis book that
covered traditional musical instrument reproduction more specifically.

-George

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Subject: Re: [motm] "Wooden Recoder" 440 demo


> My preference would be that the book take on a "working book" as opposed
> to "coffee table book" approach.
>
> The binding would be spiral-bound allowing it to lie open at any page.
> It would be B&W to keep the cost down. It would concentrate on analog
> modular synth patches. It would demonstrate using a variety of
> different manufacturer's modules. It would show a patch, list the
> specific modules used and how other modules would perhaps lead to
> similar results, and the original conception behind the patch. (As an
> aside: I am fascinated by the juxtaposition of the "I have an idea for a
> sound so I will go to the synth and try to make my dream a reality" vs
> the "I will play with my synth and see what happens" schools of thinking.)
>
> Someone more learned than I needs to write this book and sell me one, BFG
>
> Mike Estee wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 17 May 2005, J. Larry Hendry wrote:
> >
> > > I'd pay $100-150 for a nice book well written on the subject. I
> > have some
> > > reading material, but none of it was written from the well rounded
> > > experience with patching that Ken has shown us
> >
> > I'd agree with that. A well illustraited, clearly written book on the
> > topic of analog synthesis as it pertains to creating realistic
> > simulations
> > would be worth ~100$ to me as well.
> >
> > --mikes

Re: "Wooden Recoder" 440 demo

2005-05-18 by djbrow54

I bought my copy from McGraw-Hill Primis Online. Cost me about
$35 if I remember right. It's been a couple of years. It wasn't
the easist thing to figure out how to order. It's a soft-copy
duplication so many of the photos and illustrations are quite
dark but the book is still very readable. I'd give them a call
and see what it takes to order it. They have it setup as a
custom textbook with a free sample if you are a university
professor.

http://www.mhhe.com/primis/catalog/pcatalog/STRGE.htm

Dave

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--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "groovyshaman" <groovyshaman@s...> wrote:
> Probably the best book I have ever read on the overall subject of
synthesis
> is the 2nd edition of "Electronic Music: Systems, Controls &
Techniques" by
> Alan Strange.