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I need help on deceding what Midi-CV converter to use 
with my MOTM syth.
1. Encore Electronics Expressionist
2. MOTM-650
3. Kenton

Comparing features and specs and price.

Price is not my main concern, It's applications and
creativity along with user frendly setup learning
curves, quality and will it be obsolete over time.

The MOTM-650, When will it be shipping?

Thanks

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Well, I can't say much about the Encore since I don't have one, or the
MOTM, since it isn't out yet, but here are my thoughts on the Kenton
Pro-2000.


PROS:

Simple and clear.  (Nice display/menu system)

Two LFOs that can be controlled with MIDI CC's, aftertouch etc, and
which can be added to CV outputs.  (Think vibrato depth controlled by
mod wheel, mixed into the main CV pitch output).

Portmento with MIDI control over lag time.

The Gate can be set to retrigger either on every key press or only
when no notes are already held down.

Good number of auxillary outputs.  

Reliable as hell.  (I've had one for 6 or 7 years, and never had a
problem.  Neither has anyone else I know with any Kenton other product).


CONS:

No microtuning.

No polyphonic operation.

Can't deal with Release Velocity.  (Not an issue for most people, but
my master keyboard is a Sequential T8, so this is my single biggest
complaint!)

The auxillary outputs only have 8-bit DACs.  This mean that Pro-2000
is really a two channel device with a lot of controller outputs.  (You
can set the aux outputs to be additional CV channels, but the 8 bit
res means that they don't sound particularly in tune over large ranges).



Basically the Pro-2000 is great - I'm very, very happy with mine.  The
two reasons *not* to buy one are polyphonic operation or microtuning.
 If those are deal-breakers for you, look elsewhere.

Harry


--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, Don Ojeman <dfojeman@y...> wrote:

> I need help on deceding what Midi-CV converter to use 
> with my MOTM syth.
> 1. Encore Electronics Expressionist
> 2. MOTM-650
> 3. Kenton
> 
> Comparing features and specs and price.
> 
> Price is not my main concern, It's applications and
> creativity along with user frendly setup learning
> curves, quality and will it be obsolete over time.
> 
> The MOTM-650, When will it be shipping?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> CommonSyth....
> 
> 
> 		
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Well, the MOTM-650 has the most features, is a module (not external) and has 
FLASH-loadable firmware over MIDI.

Shipping: mid-May.

If you *have* to get something to hold you over, call Rogue Music in NYC and get 
a Kenton Pro Solo for like $136 then sell it on eBay :)

Paul S.

Thanks for help.

MOTM-650 I will go with it, I am sold.

This is the best Group, keep on keeping on...

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I concur 100% with Harry's comments about the pro-2000.  I own one also.
AND, I have the MOTM on order.  If looking for a full-featured two separate
voice converter, the pro-2000 is full of all the features you would want.
However, since I also want to be able to do some polyphonic work, the pro
2000 is out unless you are sequencing where you could be happy with voices
on 5 different channels.  I consider it's 5 voice mode more like 5 separate
voices instead of poly-capable.  So, in a larger set up, I think there is
room for both.  I plan to keep the Kenton after my MOTM arrives

Larry H

-----Original Message-----
From: cormallen [mailto:motm@...]
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 1:02 PM
To: motm@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [motm] Re: Help Selecting Midi -CV converters




Well, I can't say much about the Encore since I don't have one, or the
MOTM, since it isn't out yet, but here are my thoughts on the Kenton
Pro-2000.


PROS:

Simple and clear.  (Nice display/menu system)

Two LFOs that can be controlled with MIDI CC's, aftertouch etc, and
which can be added to CV outputs.  (Think vibrato depth controlled by
mod wheel, mixed into the main CV pitch output).

Portmento with MIDI control over lag time.

The Gate can be set to retrigger either on every key press or only
when no notes are already held down.

Good number of auxillary outputs.

Reliable as hell.  (I've had one for 6 or 7 years, and never had a
problem.  Neither has anyone else I know with any Kenton other product).


CONS:

No microtuning.

No polyphonic operation.

Can't deal with Release Velocity.  (Not an issue for most people, but
my master keyboard is a Sequential T8, so this is my single biggest
complaint!)

The auxillary outputs only have 8-bit DACs.  This mean that Pro-2000
is really a two channel device with a lot of controller outputs.  (You
can set the aux outputs to be additional CV channels, but the 8 bit
res means that they don't sound particularly in tune over large ranges).



Basically the Pro-2000 is great - I'm very, very happy with mine.  The
two reasons *not* to buy one are polyphonic operation or microtuning.
 If those are deal-breakers for you, look elsewhere.

Harry

I'm leaning to the MOTM-650 myself, but am longing to see a manual.  A few questions:
1.) If I use it in one-voice mode, can I use all four Aux outs for CC's?  I confess, I'm a twidler.
2.) Are there any internal LFOs for trem/vibrato?  
3.) Since I want to use it to control a Hz/V osc as well, can it do that or perhaps can I create a 'microtuning' table as a fudge?  It's a Metasonix osc (and it's some time in the future), so the pitch range is only two octaves...
 
In the end, given that I have to buy a new power supply, it's the same price range at the Encore Expressionist.  The trade off seems to be the LFOs for the arpeggiator.  
 
cheers,
eric f

Paul Schreiber <synth1@...> wrote:
Well, the MOTM-650 has the most features, is a module (not external) and has 
FLASH-loadable firmware over MIDI.

Shipping: mid-May.

If you *have* to get something to hold you over, call Rogue Music in NYC and get 
a Kenton Pro Solo for like $136 then sell it on eBay :)

Paul S.


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Here's a comparison between Encore and Kenton if anyone is leaning that 
direction:

http://www.midiwall.com/gear/pro4-exp.html

1.) If I use it in one-voice mode, can I use all four Aux outs for CC's?  I 
confess, I'm a twidler.

Yes.

2.) Are there any internal LFOs for trem/vibrato?

Not in the initial release.

3.) Since I want to use it to control a Hz/V osc as well, can it do that or 
perhaps can I create a 'microtuning' table as a fudge?  It's a Metasonix osc 
(and it's some time in the future), so the pitch range is only two octaves...

Yes, there are 14 user-defined tuning tables that are loaded via the MIDI Tuning 
Dump Standard.

In the end, given that I have to buy a new power supply, it's the same price 
range at the Encore Expressionist.  The trade off seems to be the LFOs for the 
arpeggiator.

But you *want* that supply for the VC Pulse Divider, Cloud Generator, uSeq, ....

Paul S.

> In the end, given that I have to buy a new power supply, it's the same
> price
> range at the Encore Expressionist.  The trade off seems to be the LFOs for
> the
> arpeggiator.
 

And, as other folks have mentioned, the Expressionist lacks microtuning
capabilities. This is of no importance to many people, and extreme
importance to a few. Those of us in the latter group still hope that an
upgrade for the Expressionist may materialize, but at this point I suspect
we're hoping in vain. 

--Adam