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MOTM-810 VC ADSR

2005-02-12 by Paul Schreiber

JH battled the flu this week and finished his simulations for the MOTM-810 a VC 
ADSR with typical MOTM over-the-top specs. Kit builders will delight at the 
nearly 90 resistors, 18 transistors, 16 diodes, 15 op amps AND a blinky LED.

This is how the controls/ins/outs are set *currently*, and of course open to 
wide (but civil) debate. No cost yet: the parts are cheap (in fact no single 
part on the pcb is over 22 cents) but the *labor* on the PH side will be 
extensive. I will say this: if I get 80 modules pre-ordered (and DO NOT SEND ME 
THIS NOW!) I will get them pre-inserted like the '480s. The resistors, that is. 
I have *no idea* on the final cost, but it will be over $149 but less than $249. 
Remember, you are paying mainly for the front panel controls (see below) and the 
labor in just amassing all these parts. But when has MOTM disappointed in our 
over-the-top-ness :)

2U wide

CV inputs
A, D, S and R CVs (-5V to +5V range. A positive voltage ADDS to the panel's 
setting, a negative voltage subtracts the setting)
Velocity CV (set up for 0 to +5V)

Outputs

Dynamic EG Out: the VCA'd version of the positive envelope. This is not for 
passing audio through, it's so that the Velocity out of the MOTM-650 can scale 
the overall amplitude of the envelope.

Positive and Negative EG Out. Times are <1ms to over 24sec for A, D and R.

Gate IN

MODE switch: Normal/Burst/Cycle. In Cycle, the EG internally retriggers at the 
end of the Release and re-Attacks. This happens no matter what GATE is doing, so 
it's like the Serge DSG (a wacky LFO thingy). In BURST, the EG CYCLEs as long as 
GATE is high, then it releases and stops.

Now, the astute folks will see a lack of input attenuators of the 4 CV ins. 
Why...no fit! But I can add 2 general uncommitted attenuators that you can patch 
in if you need them. Also keeps the price down, because if you want 8 pots, 9 
jacks, a switch and a LED you are in the $300 module range....so be careful what 
you wish for :)

Comments?

Paul S.

Re: [motm] MOTM-810 VC ADSR

2005-02-12 by Josue Arias

I think a cycle output and trigger input would be useful, at least the
cycle out for firing another module at the end of the envelope..

Best Regards,

Josue.
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On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:43:20 -0600, Paul Schreiber <synth1@airmail.net> wrote:
> 
> JH battled the flu this week and finished his simulations for the MOTM-810 a VC
> ADSR with typical MOTM over-the-top specs. Kit builders will delight at the
> nearly 90 resistors, 18 transistors, 16 diodes, 15 op amps AND a blinky LED.
> 
> This is how the controls/ins/outs are set *currently*, and of course open to
> wide (but civil) debate. No cost yet: the parts are cheap (in fact no single
> part on the pcb is over 22 cents) but the *labor* on the PH side will be
> extensive. I will say this: if I get 80 modules pre-ordered (and DO NOT SEND ME
> THIS NOW!) I will get them pre-inserted like the '480s. The resistors, that is.
> I have *no idea* on the final cost, but it will be over $149 but less than $249.
> Remember, you are paying mainly for the front panel controls (see below) and the
> labor in just amassing all these parts. But when has MOTM disappointed in our
> over-the-top-ness :)
> 
> 2U wide
> 
> CV inputs
> A, D, S and R CVs (-5V to +5V range. A positive voltage ADDS to the panel's
> setting, a negative voltage subtracts the setting)
> Velocity CV (set up for 0 to +5V)
> 
> Outputs
> 
> Dynamic EG Out: the VCA'd version of the positive envelope. This is not for
> passing audio through, it's so that the Velocity out of the MOTM-650 can scale
> the overall amplitude of the envelope.
> 
> Positive and Negative EG Out. Times are <1ms to over 24sec for A, D and R.
> 
> Gate IN
> 
> MODE switch: Normal/Burst/Cycle. In Cycle, the EG internally retriggers at the
> end of the Release and re-Attacks. This happens no matter what GATE is doing, so
> it's like the Serge DSG (a wacky LFO thingy). In BURST, the EG CYCLEs as long as
> GATE is high, then it releases and stops.
> 
> Now, the astute folks will see a lack of input attenuators of the 4 CV ins.
> Why...no fit! But I can add 2 general uncommitted attenuators that you can patch
> in if you need them. Also keeps the price down, because if you want 8 pots, 9
> jacks, a switch and a LED you are in the $300 module range....so be careful what
> you wish for :)
> 
> Comments?
> 
> Paul S.
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

Re: [motm] MOTM-810 VC ADSR

2005-02-12 by john mahoney

I was gonna ask for a trigger input.
An end-of-cycle output is a great idea!
--
john
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Josue Arias" <josue.arias@...>
To: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
Cc: <motm@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [motm] MOTM-810 VC ADSR



I think a cycle output and trigger input would be useful, at least the
cycle out for firing another module at the end of the envelope..

Best Regards,

Josue.

RE: [motm] MOTM-810 VC ADSR

2005-02-12 by John Loffink

I will buy at least two of these.  This module will greatly help with
dynamic articulation of sounds.  I like the feature set including the
Velocity VC level, with a few suggestions...

I'd like to have simultaneous linear and logarithmic outputs - same FP real
estate and less cost than a lin/log switch or knob.

Two freely patchable attenuators works.  Another option is the Evos ADSR
type VC selector which cycles through all combinations of the four CV
parameters.  This requires a knob and 4 LEDs though.

http://www.wavemakers-synth.com/evos/EVOS_04.jpg

You might not need both burst and cycle switch settings.  If you put a
pullup on the gate input, when you switch to burst/cycle without a gate
input you get continuous (cycle), if you have a gate input it functions as
burst.

John Loffink
The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Josue Arias [mailto:josue.arias@...]
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 7:00 PM
> To: Paul Schreiber
> Cc: motm@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [motm] MOTM-810 VC ADSR
> 
> 
> I think a cycle output and trigger input would be useful, at least the
> cycle out for firing another module at the end of the envelope..
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Josue.
> 
> 
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:43:20 -0600, Paul Schreiber <synth1@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > JH battled the flu this week and finished his simulations for the MOTM-
> 810 a VC
> > ADSR with typical MOTM over-the-top specs. Kit builders will delight at
> the
> > nearly 90 resistors, 18 transistors, 16 diodes, 15 op amps AND a blinky
> LED.
> >
> > This is how the controls/ins/outs are set *currently*, and of course
> open to
> > wide (but civil) debate. No cost yet: the parts are cheap (in fact no
> single
> > part on the pcb is over 22 cents) but the *labor* on the PH side will be
> > extensive. I will say this: if I get 80 modules pre-ordered (and DO NOT
> SEND ME
> > THIS NOW!) I will get them pre-inserted like the '480s. The resistors,
> that is.
> > I have *no idea* on the final cost, but it will be over $149 but less
> than $249.
> > Remember, you are paying mainly for the front panel controls (see below)
> and the
> > labor in just amassing all these parts. But when has MOTM disappointed
> in our
> > over-the-top-ness :)
> >
> > 2U wide
> >
> > CV inputs
> > A, D, S and R CVs (-5V to +5V range. A positive voltage ADDS to the
> panel's
> > setting, a negative voltage subtracts the setting)
> > Velocity CV (set up for 0 to +5V)
> >
> > Outputs
> >
> > Dynamic EG Out: the VCA'd version of the positive envelope. This is not
> for
> > passing audio through, it's so that the Velocity out of the MOTM-650 can
> scale
> > the overall amplitude of the envelope.
> >
> > Positive and Negative EG Out. Times are <1ms to over 24sec for A, D and
> R.
> >
> > Gate IN
> >
> > MODE switch: Normal/Burst/Cycle. In Cycle, the EG internally retriggers
> at the
> > end of the Release and re-Attacks. This happens no matter what GATE is
> doing, so
> > it's like the Serge DSG (a wacky LFO thingy). In BURST, the EG CYCLEs as
> long as
> > GATE is high, then it releases and stops.
> >
> > Now, the astute folks will see a lack of input attenuators of the 4 CV
> ins.
> > Why...no fit! But I can add 2 general uncommitted attenuators that you
> can patch
> > in if you need them. Also keeps the price down, because if you want 8
> pots, 9
> > jacks, a switch and a LED you are in the $300 module range....so be
> careful what
> > you wish for :)
> >
> > Comments?
> >
> > Paul S.
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [motm] MOTM-810 VC ADSR

2005-02-12 by Mike Estee

On Fri, 11 Feb 2005, Paul Schreiber wrote:
> Comments?

Damn. I was just thinking yesterday evening I wanted a CV controlled ADSR. 
Can't wait for it to ship!

--mikes

Re: [motm] MOTM-810 VC ADSR

2005-02-12 by The Old Crow

I have an EOC output on my filter ADSR design, but problems obtaining 
the desired dual-concentric pots has kept me from completing the thing for 
2 years now.  Besides, JH's circuit is going to be better anyway. ;)

Crow
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On Fri, 11 Feb 2005, john mahoney wrote:

> 
> I was gonna ask for a trigger input.
> An end-of-cycle output is a great idea!
> --
> john

Re: [motm] MOTM-810 VC ADSR

2005-02-12 by Jeff Laity

I like the idea of the two general use attenuators. I don't think I 
would be modulating more than two parameters simultaneously. This 
sounds like a very exciting module.
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On Feb 11, 2005, at 4:43 PM, Paul Schreiber wrote:

>
>  Now, the astute folks will see a lack of input attenuators of the 4 
> CV ins.
>  Why...no fit! But I can add 2 general uncommitted attenuators that 
> you can patch
>  in if you need them. Also keeps the price down, because if you want 8 
> pots, 9
>  jacks, a switch and a LED you are in the $300 module range....so be 
> careful what
>  you wish for :)
>
>  Comments?
>

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