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patch code quantity?

2004-10-19 by Greg Wuller

I have a slightly different patch cord question - hopefully one of the 
seasoned veterans on this list can offer some sage advice...

I'm building a system which basically fills the typical 24U x 2 row 
case. Having never patched a modular before I'm at a bit of a loss when 
it comes to the number of cables to buy. My crude estimation attempt 
landed me at roughly 53 (just counting up the number of inputs across 
all modules I could see used in a fully patched mutli-timbrel setup). 
Does 53 sound a bit high to anyone with a system of this size? For 
reference it consists of:

4 x 300
4 x 800
2 x 190
1 x 101
1 x 120
2 x 320
2 x 420
2 x 440
2 x 485
1 x 700
1 x 820
1 x 890
1 x UEG
1 x FS
and
1 x 650   (with fingers are crossed for Feb 2005 :)

I figure about 2/3 of the cables would be 2-3 ft while the remaining 
1/3 would be 1 ft or 4 ft (and longer).

Any thoughts would be appreciated!

Thanks,

-greg

Re: [motm] patch code quantity?

2004-10-19 by J. Larry Hendry

Greg, I think you need at least 575 cables.  Maybe 850 is about right
<snicker>  OK, maybe I am stretching it a little. :-)  Could there be a
conflict of interest since I sell them?  Oh crap, my secret is out. :-)

Actually, I think you plan sounds pretty good.  Not one person has ever
e-mailed me and said. "I bought too many cables."  But, many people have
ordered multiple times as their systems grew.

Just remember that:
1 footers are only good for modules that are basically side by side. You can
skip over 1U or 2U width.
2 footers will comfortable reach from row above to row below or across 10U
side to side.
3 footers will reach about 17 U side to side
4 footers will reach almost anything in a 2 row x 24U wide cabinet. I have
one in my cabinet from top row right to bottom row left module and it is
fine, but completely used up.  However, that is with jacks at the bottom of
the panel
5 footers will be almost never use in a 2 row 24U cabinet.  You will not
need many of these.

Best
Larry
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Subject: [motm] patch code quantity?



I have a slightly different patch cord question - hopefully one of the
seasoned veterans on this list can offer some sage advice...

I'm building a system which basically fills the typical 24U x 2 row
case. Having never patched a modular before I'm at a bit of a loss when
it comes to the number of cables to buy. My crude estimation attempt
landed me at roughly 53 (just counting up the number of inputs across
all modules I could see used in a fully patched mutli-timbrel setup).
Does 53 sound a bit high to anyone with a system of this size? For
reference it consists of:

4 x 300
4 x 800
2 x 190
1 x 101
1 x 120
2 x 320
2 x 420
2 x 440
2 x 485
1 x 700
1 x 820
1 x 890
1 x UEG
1 x FS
and
1 x 650   (with fingers are crossed for Feb 2005 :)

I figure about 2/3 of the cables would be 2-3 ft while the remaining
1/3 would be 1 ft or 4 ft (and longer).

Any thoughts would be appreciated!

Thanks,

-greg





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Re: patch code quantity?

2004-10-19 by elle_webb

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "J. Larry Hendry" <jlarryh@i...> wrote:
> Greg, I think you need at least 575 cables.  Maybe 850 is about right
> <snicker>  OK, maybe I am stretching it a little. :-)  Could there be a
> conflict of interest since I sell them?  Oh crap, my secret is out. :-)
> 
> Actually, I think you plan sounds pretty good.  Not one person has ever
> e-mailed me and said. "I bought too many cables."  But, many people have
> ordered multiple times as their systems grew.
> 
> Just remember that:
> 1 footers are only good for modules that are basically side by side.
You can
> skip over 1U or 2U width.
> 2 footers will comfortable reach from row above to row below or
across 10U
> side to side.
> 3 footers will reach about 17 U side to side
> 4 footers will reach almost anything in a 2 row x 24U wide cabinet.
I have
> one in my cabinet from top row right to bottom row left module and it is
> fine, but completely used up.  However, that is with jacks at the
bottom of
> the panel
> 5 footers will be almost never use in a 2 row 24U cabinet.  You will not
> need many of these.
> 

10 + footers between your gear and your mixer or patch bay will save
you a lot of headache, if you have a lot of gear.

Re: [motm] patch code quantity?

2004-10-19 by Scott Juskiw

That's a good estimate. The most frequently used cables are likely to 
be 2 and 3 footers for the cabinet you have planned. 1 footers are 
great for syncing oscillators and semi-permanantly patching in a 
JLH-822 to them. You'll need the longer cables to get from the far 
left end to the far right end.

Figuring out quantity is tougher because it depends on how you use 
your synth. The upper limit is to count the number of jacks and 
divide by 2 to get the number of cables. I've never used all jacks in 
a patch, but I often use half of them, sometimes up to 2/3, when 
creating self running/evolving soundscapes. But when I'm patching 
together a simpler minimoog-like structure (even if it's four 
voices), I'll use considerably less of those jacks, maybe 1/4. I 
think 53 cables will be fine for a 24U x 2 row system, based on my 
experiences.
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>I have a slightly different patch cord question - hopefully one of the
>seasoned veterans on this list can offer some sage advice...
>
>I'm building a system which basically fills the typical 24U x 2 row
>case. Having never patched a modular before I'm at a bit of a loss when
>it comes to the number of cables to buy. My crude estimation attempt
>landed me at roughly 53 (just counting up the number of inputs across
>all modules I could see used in a fully patched mutli-timbrel setup).
>Does 53 sound a bit high to anyone with a system of this size? For
>reference it consists of:
>
>4 x 300
>4 x 800
>2 x 190
>1 x 101
>1 x 120
>2 x 320
>2 x 420
>2 x 440
>2 x 485
>1 x 700
>1 x 820
>1 x 890
>1 x UEG
>1 x FS
>and
>1 x 650   (with fingers are crossed for Feb 2005 :)
>
>I figure about 2/3 of the cables would be 2-3 ft while the remaining
>1/3 would be 1 ft or 4 ft (and longer).
>
>Any thoughts would be appreciated!
>
>Thanks,
>
>-greg

Re: [motm] Re: patch code quantity?

2004-10-19 by Chris Walcott

Yep.  I ordered two 36 foot cables (purple!), cut them in half and 
added TT plugs on the cut ends.  Now I have four 18 foot cables that 
plug directly into my bay.  I use them for all kinds of stuff, not just 
MOTM.  I had to trim the plastic sheath a bit to get the TT ends to fit 
though.

- chris
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On Oct 19, 2004, at 7:30 AM, elle_webb wrote:
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>
> 10 + footers between your gear and your mixer or patch bay will save
> you a lot of headache, if you have a lot of gear.

Re: [motm] patch code quantity?

2004-10-19 by Richard Brewster

Something else to consider, I found, is how you arrange your modules in 
the cabinets.  I move the modules around quite a bit in my three 26U 
wide dot com Stoogified MOTM cabinets.   I used to have all the VCOs in 
the upper left and the filters, wave warpers (soon, soon!), etc., on the 
upper right, with the VCAs on the lower right.  With the advent of the 
third cabinet, the VCOs moved to the upper right with the filters in the 
middle cabinet right, VCAs still lower right.  All the control stuff is 
on the left side now.  So my signal flow is top to bottom and control is 
left to right.  I find that with this new arrangement I use more 2 and 3 
foot patch cords, and fewer 4 footers.

It's hard to predict exactly what you'll need.  Just remember that you 
can always use a 2-foot cord to replace a 1-foot cord, but not 
vice-versa.  My quantities:

16 1-foot
24 2-foot
24 3-foot
12 4-foot
4 5-foot  (needed for the extreme diagonal patches on my 26U wide by 
3-high cabinets)

Most of these are Dot Com cables.  A few are Stooge.  I also have some 
longer Stooge cables for patching to studio equipment.

-Richard Brewster

Scott Juskiw wrote:
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>That's a good estimate. The most frequently used cables are likely to 
>be 2 and 3 footers for the cabinet you have planned. 1 footers are 
>great for syncing oscillators and semi-permanantly patching in a 
>JLH-822 to them. You'll need the longer cables to get from the far 
>left end to the far right end.
>
>Figuring out quantity is tougher because it depends on how you use 
>your synth. The upper limit is to count the number of jacks and 
>divide by 2 to get the number of cables. I've never used all jacks in 
>a patch, but I often use half of them, sometimes up to 2/3, when 
>creating self running/evolving soundscapes. But when I'm patching 
>together a simpler minimoog-like structure (even if it's four 
>voices), I'll use considerably less of those jacks, maybe 1/4. I 
>think 53 cables will be fine for a 24U x 2 row system, based on my 
>experiences.
>
>  
>

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