MOTM

http://www.zero-g.co.uk/index.cfm?articleid=802

The vocal section of a FS1R on steroids. Listen to the "Scarborough Fair" demo.
It even *sounds* like a cross between Annie Halsam and Maddy Prior (obscure 70s
English folk reference).

Paul S.

Even further OT, perhaps, but you started it...

http://www.virsyn.de/en/E_Home/e_home.html

Check out the video demo for Cantor.  Once these things get all the
kinks worked we're going to hear them all over the place, I think.

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> The vocal section of a FS1R on steroids. Listen to the "Scarborough Fair" demo.
> It even *sounds* like a cross between Annie Halsam and Maddy Prior (obscure 70s
> English folk reference).
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> Paul S.
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Paul wrote:

>It even *sounds* like a cross between Annie Halsam and Maddy Prior 
(obscure 70s English folk reference).<

Not obscure to those of us who bought her records...

Anyway, that Vocaloid singer has a slight Japanese accent!

Hmmmmm...  Wonder if that's what RR used on his "Premonition of 
Circular Clouds" on Bestiary?  That was the best thing on that album, 
though it overstayed its welcome by several minutes.

johnm

>It even *sounds* like a cross between Annie Halsam and Maddy Prior
(obscure 70s English folk reference).

Maddy Prior is still around and still singing. She lives in Cumbria not
so far from me. I occasionally fix some of their engineer's music gear.
(big analogue man who still uses an Atari too)

More info on Maddy and the various music and art courses they run at:

http://www.e-maddy.com/index.htm

Tony

www.oakleysound.com

Still have all my Steeleye Span albums (vinyl). Rank among my favorites.

Scott

Oakley Sound wrote:

>>It even *sounds* like a cross between Annie Halsam and Maddy Prior
> 
> (obscure 70s English folk reference).
> 
> Maddy Prior is still around and still singing. She lives in Cumbria not
> so far from me. I occasionally fix some of their engineer's music gear.
> (big analogue man who still uses an Atari too)
> 
> More info on Maddy and the various music and art courses they run at:
> 
> http://www.e-maddy.com/index.htm
> 
> Tony
>

Wow, I just had a 1974 brain rush.  I saw Steeleye Span as the lead 
band to Jethro Tull on the Passion Play tour.  They appeared on stage 
dressed as trees and singing great harmonies.

Wow!!!!!   Many of us went out and got the Steeleye Span records.   
Maddy Prior is great.   Glad to see she it still going.

Ok, Ok, well now I am recalling (miracuously), what that concert was 
like and what we were doing there.   :-)

Paul, thanks for the OT topic to wake up long dormant brain cells.

Andy






--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Oakley Sound" <oakley@t...> wrote:
> >It even *sounds* like a cross between Annie Halsam and Maddy Prior
> (obscure 70s English folk reference).
> 
> Maddy Prior is still around and still singing. She lives in Cumbria 
not
> so far from me. I occasionally fix some of their engineer's music 
gear.
> (big analogue man who still uses an Atari too)
> 
> More info on Maddy and the various music and art courses they run 
at:

> 
> http://www.e-maddy.com/index.htm
> 
> Tony
> 
> www.oakleysound.com

I've heard a number of the vocaloid demos.  Initially I was quite 
impressed, and I suppose I still am, but the more I listened to it 
the more it sounded like really overdone Auto-Tune.  

The Vocaloid software is really sophisticated sample playback 
software.  all the components of the vocal parts generated are 
stored as samples.  On the other hand, (at least according to what I 
have heard) the Cantor stuff is actually synthesized.

Stephen St. Croix (Mix magazine columnist) said that vocaloid 
sounded like a heavy cocaine user who had become recently deaf.  
After laughing my ass off over that comment I'm inclined to agree.
It's also reportedly difficult and time consuming to use.

Having said all that, I'll probably still end up buying the thing.  
It's far cheaper than hiring a bunch of backup singers.  Most of my 
clients prefer cheap to authentic. (Unfortunately!)  Although I 
occasionally bring in a real horn section, most of the time I use 
samples.  I'm sure it will be the same with this.

Yeah, Cantor is all vocal formant synthesis, with no samples at all.
It appears to have a lot of flexibility for going in and giving the
vocal as much (or as little -- think robotic) character as you want.

Again, the video is interesting, the guy steps you through the software
and shows some of the range of possibilities.

http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=1464

Although in this case what's funny is that the voice seems to have
a German accent ... or after Kraftwerk do all robots sound German?

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> I've heard a number of the vocaloid demos.  Initially I was quite 
> impressed, and I suppose I still am, but the more I listened to it 
> the more it sounded like really overdone Auto-Tune.  
> 
> The Vocaloid software is really sophisticated sample playback 
> software.  all the components of the vocal parts generated are 
> stored as samples.  On the other hand, (at least according to what I 
> have heard) the Cantor stuff is actually synthesized.
> 
> Stephen St. Croix (Mix magazine columnist) said that vocaloid 
> sounded like a heavy cocaine user who had become recently deaf.  
> After laughing my ass off over that comment I'm inclined to agree.
> It's also reportedly difficult and time consuming to use.
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> Having said all that, I'll probably still end up buying the thing.  
> It's far cheaper than hiring a bunch of backup singers.  Most of my 
> clients prefer cheap to authentic. (Unfortunately!)  Although I 
> occasionally bring in a real horn section, most of the time I use 
> samples.  I'm sure it will be the same with this.
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Fun.  Also at the MusicMesse, check out all new gear the Analog Super Booth--

http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=1506

and much more at Sonic State--

http://www.sonicstate.com/news/videos.cfm

including Robert Rich with MOTM at the 2003 NAMM--

http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=1014

and Moog is interviewed at the 2004 NAMM--

http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=1344

Fred

> Having said all that, I'll probably still end up buying the thing.
> It's far cheaper than hiring a bunch of backup singers.  Most of my

Is this cheaper? It seems like it takes a LOT of tweaking (read: billable
hours) to get anything realistic, while good singers could come in and nail
it in a couple takes. No?

best,
- Scott
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I just finished a project that involved a whole lot of backup singing.
Although the 3 singers were extremely talented and professional, there
were a lot of parts at the low end of their ranges.

The group paying for the project wanted perfection if possible and
wanted to avoid using AutoTune.  The project was done in ProTools.  On
one particular backup part we did 46 punch-ins.  There were a lot of
edits.  We also tried to align parts and note endings as much as
possible without using VocAlign.

We did end up using AutoTune on selected notes.  There was also a lot of
fader automation involved in trying to make the three parts exactly
equal in dynamics.

Vocaloid would have been faster, I'm sure, despite all the tweaking.
I'm also sure it would not have sounded nearly as good.

(We also used a real horn section, but we did use sampled strings, as
they wanted a full string section sound.  Strings were recorded as
individual lines rather than playing chords.  Maybe I should have tried
to get Elhardt.)

This was a major project.  Most of my clients cannot afford to spend 15
or 20 billable hours per song.  I definitely will be evaluating vocaloid
in the future.

Paul Haneberg

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From: Scott Gibbons [mailto:scott.gibbons@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 2:58 PM
To: motm@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [motm] Re: [OT] Mind-boggling Yamaha software

> Having said all that, I'll probably still end up buying the thing.
> It's far cheaper than hiring a bunch of backup singers.  Most of my

Is this cheaper? It seems like it takes a LOT of tweaking (read:
billable
hours) to get anything realistic, while good singers could come in and
nail
it in a couple takes. No?

best,
- Scott
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http://www.strawberryplanet.org




 
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