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Top Fifteen Reasons to own a Real Analog Modular

Top Fifteen Reasons to own a Real Analog Modular

2004-05-19 by John Loffink

Here are my top fifteen reasons to own a real analog modular:

15.  Personalized service straight from the designer/integrator.
14.  Chaos synthesis means you really patched it that way, not a software
bug.
13.  The instrument is the interface - no mapping to virtual control
surfaces, no function/control remapping to get lost in, no limitations based
upon an input device designed for single function at a time control, no tiny
print and crammed pseudo controls on limited size/resolution LCDs/CRTs.
12.  Real meaty sound without quantization or aliasing artifacts.
11.  Design quirks or inadequacies and component limitations or aging really
can be features.
10.  True plug and play.
9.  Boot time measured in microseconds.
8.  No software crashes.
7.  No reboot necessary.
6.  No OS upgrades.
5.  No upgrade fees for module updates to support new OSes.
4.  No obsolete modules because they weren't updated to support new OSes.
3.  Simple cross platform conversion tool:
http://www.synthtech.com/motm940.html
2.  Simple base platform made from easy to find materials:
http://www.wiseguysynth.com/larry/namm/namm2.htm
1.  Simple, common installation tool:
http://www.sirpale.com/art/screwdriver.jpg

John Loffink
The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
http://www.wavemakers-synth.com

Re: [motm] Top Fifteen Reasons to own a Real Analog Modular

2004-05-19 by Seth Elgart

At 8:54 PM -0500 5/18/04, John Loffink wrote:
>Here are my top fifteen reasons to own a real analog modular:

16. I just a little while ago came home from the Moog 50th 
Anniversary show. While Bob Moog handed Rick Wakeman a cake for his 
55th birthday, Keith Emerson used his wall-o'-modules synthesizer to 
play an unbelievable version of Happy Birthday. I don't think I need 
any more reason than that to start building my modules.

         Seth

Re: [motm] Top Fifteen Reasons to own a Real Analog Modular

2004-05-19 by Steve Graham

Hear Hear!

Steve Graham
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Here are my top fifteen reasons to own a real analog modular:

15.  Personalized service straight from the designer/integrator.
14.  Chaos synthesis means you really patched it that way, not a software
bug.
13.  The instrument is the interface - no mapping to virtual control
surfaces, no function/control remapping to get lost in, no limitations based
upon an input device designed for single function at a time control, no tiny
print and crammed pseudo controls on limited size/resolution LCDs/CRTs.
12.  Real meaty sound without quantization or aliasing artifacts.
11.  Design quirks or inadequacies and component limitations or aging really
can be features.
10.  True plug and play.
9.  Boot time measured in microseconds.
8.  No software crashes.
7.  No reboot necessary.
6.  No OS upgrades.
5.  No upgrade fees for module updates to support new OSes.
4.  No obsolete modules because they weren't updated to support new OSes.
3.  Simple cross platform conversion tool:
http://www.synthtech.com/motm940.html
2.  Simple base platform made from easy to find materials:
http://www.wiseguysynth.com/larry/namm/namm2.htm
1.  Simple, common installation tool:
http://www.sirpale.com/art/screwdriver.jpg

John Loffink
The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
http://www.wavemakers-synth.com






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Re: [motm] Top Fifteen Reasons to own a Real Analog Modular

2004-05-19 by elhardt@att.net

Since this was a completely one sided and biased post, perhaps some balance needs to be added.

15.  Personalized service straight from the designer/integrator.

15:  Either that, or you can write to them many times and never get a response, like Moog CE, CMS, and others.

12.  Real meaty sound without quantization or aliasing artifacts.

12:  Only applicable to really high notes.  But at least they still stay in tune way up there unlike my analog modulars.

11.  Design quirks or inadequacies and component limitations or aging really can be features.

11:  No!  Lack of consistancy, changing component tolerances, differences between like modules, and lack of neumeric accuracy is a detriment.

10.  True plug and play.

10:  Unless you need that extra +5v line, or you're trying to connect a +/-12v module, or the connectors are different, or the rack holes are in a different position, and so on.

9.  Boot time measured in microseconds.

9:  But warm-up time measured in minutes.

8.  No software crashes.

8:  Let's wait and see if any of Paul's future digital based modules crash or not.  Just two days ago my Lexicon PCM41 digital delay crashed.  I had to turn it off and on again to get it working.  So much for avoiding computers.

7.  No reboot necessary.

7:  See #8.

6.  No OS upgrades.

6:  Just numerous PCB revisions, bug fixes, hardware mods, EPROM swaps, and calibratating to deal with.

4.  No obsolete modules because they weren't updated to support new OSes.

4:  What?  Generally new modules are introduced in software upgrades.



--------------------  Reasons to also own a virtual modular

1.  One single purchase and you have an entire synth.  No need to keep buying more modules for years to come.

2.  Patch storage and recall.

3.  Polyphony.

4.  No scratchy pots, no bad jacks, no cable shortages.

5.  Create patches that would be impossible, impractical, or cost prohibitive on an analog modular.

6.  You can pirate software, you can't pirate hardware.  :-)

7.  As computers get faster the maximum size of your virtual modular grows proportionately.

8.  Can be used in conjunction with a real analog modular to add features that will never exist in your real analog modular.


--Elhardt

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RE: [motm] Top Fifteen Reasons to own a Real Analog Modular

2004-05-19 by Adam Schabtach

> --------------------  Reasons to also own a virtual modular
> 
> 1.  One single purchase and you have an entire synth.  No need to keep
> buying more modules for years to come.

1a. Sometimes new modules are added in free updates (e.g., Reason 2.5 and
the recent release of Cubase SX). 
 
And

9. Portability. I can run some pretty nice soft synths on my laptop
computer. I wouldn't use it for all of my synthesizing needs, but it sure is
convenient when I'm away from home.

--Adam

Re: Top Fifteen Reasons to own a Real Analog Modular

2004-05-19 by elle_webb

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, Seth Elgart <selgart@e...> wrote:

> 16. I just a little while ago came home from the Moog 50th 
> Anniversary show. 

Could you give us a mini-review of the show? It sounded like it was
going to be amazing!

Re: [motm] Top Fifteen Reasons to own a Real Analog Modular

2004-05-19 by Neil Bradley

> 6.  You can pirate software, you can't pirate hardware.  :-)
> Of course you can pirate hardware.  Both are just simply theft.

Actually, with hardware it's theft. With software it's unauthorized use.

-->Neil

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Re: [motm] Top Fifteen Reasons to own a Real Analog Modular

2004-05-19 by Overand

6.  You can pirate software, you can't pirate hardware.  :-)

Of course you can pirate hardware.  Both are just simply theft.

At first I was upset that you had such a sentiment, but hey, it's an 
open discussion, so whatever.

Re: [motm] Top Fifteen Reasons to own a Real Analog Modular

2004-05-19 by Sikorsky

> Actually, with hardware it's theft. With software it's unauthorized use.

erm, not really wanting to open a can of worms - but here in the uk uder the
1988 copyrights & patents act i think it is technically theft

cheers
paul b (ducking)

Re: [motm] Top Fifteen Reasons to own a Real Analog Modular

2004-05-19 by Mike Estee

No, it's still theft. And if you get caught, you still go to jail. "But  
your honor, it was just software!"
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Re: [motm] Top Fifteen Reasons to own a Real Analog Modular

2004-05-19 by Neil Bradley

> No, it's still theft.

That's that the RIAA and other software Nazis would like you to believe,
but it's just not legally true. Theft is defined legally in the US as
"removal of property without permission".  No property is removed in
software use if you make a copy, but you're in violation of its licensed
use. Now if you steal someone's disc with the software on it, that is
theft. ;-)

> And if you get caught, you still go to jail. "But
> your honor, it was just software!"

I didn't say that it made it OK. You can still go to jail for unauthorized
use.

-->Neil

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RE: [motm] Top Fifteen Reasons to own a Real Analog Modular

2004-05-20 by John Loffink

Wow!  Elhardt, you took this way too seriously, not noticing the obvious
tongue in cheek especially with 11.  Needed more smiley faces I guess.  Some
responses are inline.

John Loffink
The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
http://www.wavemakers-synth.com


> -----Original Message-----
> From: elhardt@att.net [mailto:elhardt@...]
> 
> Since this was a completely one sided and biased post, perhaps some
> balance needs to be added.
> 

Biased, hardly. I've used analog synths since 1980, computers since 1980 and
virtual synths since 1987.  I was a beta tester for Synthia Pro, Midicode,
BankStep and Reaktor 3.  I have written DSP audio code and designed the
hardware for a digital piano.  I've been an analog modular user (MOTM, Serge
and others) since 2000, not counting a borrowed Arp 2600 and a few DIY
modules in the early 1980s.

> 15.  Personalized service straight from the designer/integrator.
> 
> 15:  Either that, or you can write to them many times and never get a
> response, like Moog CE, CMS, and others.

Can't say that I considered them, but don't throw out the whole dozen
because of a few bad eggs.  Come to think of it, some of the smaller
Software developers do offer personalized responses, but this is not the
norm.  

> 12.  Real meaty sound without quantization or aliasing artifacts.
> 
> 12:  Only applicable to really high notes.  But at least they still stay
> in tune way up there unlike my analog modulars.

Simple solution, don't play any high notes for either.  ;-)

> 11.  Design quirks or inadequacies and component limitations or aging
> really can be features.
> 
> 11:  No!  Lack of consistancy, changing component tolerances, differences
> between like modules, and lack of neumeric accuracy is a detriment.
>

As noted, tongue was firmly planted in cheek for this one.  Let us not
revisit all the old precision/variability arguments.

> 10.  True plug and play.
> 
> 10:  Unless you need that extra +5v line, or you're trying to connect a
> +/-12v module, or the connectors are different, or the rack holes are in a
> different position, and so on.

This was pun of course, referring to patch cord connections as well as
Microsoft's "Plug and Play" feature.

> 9.  Boot time measured in microseconds.
> 
> 9:  But warm-up time measured in minutes.

Touche!

> 8.  No software crashes.
> 
> 8:  Let's wait and see if any of Paul's future digital based modules crash
> or not.  Just two days ago my Lexicon PCM41 digital delay crashed.  I had
> to turn it off and on again to get it working.  So much for avoiding
> computers.

This can be true of the few microprocessor based modules out there, but the
likelihood of bugs escaping rises exponentially with the complexity of the
system.

> 7.  No reboot necessary.
> 
> 7:  See #8.
> 
> 6.  No OS upgrades.
> 
> 6:  Just numerous PCB revisions, bug fixes, hardware mods, EPROM swaps,
> and calibratating to deal with.

The OS for my analog modular is the +/- 15V supply.  It has never needed
tweaking, not once.  :-)  As far as hardware mods vs. software mods, have
you ever tried getting source code to fix somebody's software bugs?

> 4.  No obsolete modules because they weren't updated to support new OSes.
> 
> 4:  What?  Generally new modules are introduced in software upgrades.
> 

You misunderstood the point.  90% of the virtual instruments and effects
will not be here 10 years from now.  Do you archive a version of the OS on a
boot partition for every one of these?  Do you stop upgrading your OS to
save your favorite plugin or modular programming interface?  Do you keep all
that old computer hardware which eventually becomes the only thing that will
run the old OSes that runs the old software?

> 
> 
> --------------------  Reasons to also own a virtual modular
> 

No arguments with any of these.  If these are important to you, then more
power to you and the virtual modulars.  But #6 is a good reason to design a
real modular instead of a virtual one.
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> 1.  One single purchase and you have an entire synth.  No need to keep
> buying more modules for years to come.
> 
> 2.  Patch storage and recall.
> 
> 3.  Polyphony.
> 
> 4.  No scratchy pots, no bad jacks, no cable shortages.
> 
> 5.  Create patches that would be impossible, impractical, or cost
> prohibitive on an analog modular.
> 
> 6.  You can pirate software, you can't pirate hardware.  :-)
> 
> 7.  As computers get faster the maximum size of your virtual modular grows
> proportionately.
> 
> 8.  Can be used in conjunction with a real analog modular to add features
> that will never exist in your real analog modular.
> 
> 
> --Elhardt
>

Re: [motm] Top Fifteen Reasons to own a Real Analog Modular

2004-05-20 by Paul Schreiber

Enough already. Elhardt is being his grumpy troll self. I'm also grumpy due to
several things, but '485 pc boards arriving **tomorrow** for prototypes. And I'm
finishing up a batch of '420 kits and proceeding on to the dreaded '440/'410
kits.

Paul S.

Re: Top Fifteen Reasons to own a Real Analog Modular

2004-05-20 by sasami@hotkey.net.au

>   From: elhardt@...

>6.  You can pirate software, you can't pirate hardware.  :-)

you wanna bet?

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