MOTM

Just a question....
is everybody dedicated to using this MOTM mailing list, or would
people prefer the somewhat more structured system of using web-based
forums?  I've got hosting abilities up the wazoo, so if anyone things
having unofficial (or with Paul's support and approval... official)
MOTM web-based forums would be a Good Thing(tm), you should reply here.

Please, let's keep a mailing list.  I don't care if we do away with 
yahoogroups, as long as the host takes the appropriate precautions against 
spammers and address harvesting but please let's keep it as a mailing list 
and not a BBS-like web forum.

         Eric


At 02:11 AM 4/27/2004 +0000, sucrosemusic@... wrote:

>Just a question....
>is everybody dedicated to using this MOTM mailing list, or would
>people prefer the somewhat more structured system of using web-based
>forums?  I've got hosting abilities up the wazoo, so if anyone things
>having unofficial (or with Paul's support and approval... official)
>MOTM web-based forums would be a Good Thing(tm), you should reply here.

I don't care for web based forums. Let's keep the mailing list, although 
an alternative to Yahoo would be great.

Scott E.
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sucrosemusic@... wrote:

> Just a question....
> is everybody dedicated to using this MOTM mailing list, or would
> people prefer the somewhat more structured system of using web-based
> forums?  I've got hosting abilities up the wazoo, so if anyone things
> having unofficial (or with Paul's support and approval... official)
> MOTM web-based forums would be a Good Thing(tm), you should reply here.
> 
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>

I get the digest form of the list sent direct to my email. No ads, and html
can be turned on or off. Nice. Only hitch is that when replying to a post, I
have to copy & paste the subject line. And I guess I don't get the posts
immediately; I'm a few hours behind everyone else <shrug>

FWIW

best,
- Scott
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http://www.red-noise.com
http://www.strawberryplanet.org

The motm list is just fine. I receive my messages in text form (and use
Unix pine) and I"m quite happy with this setup.
Jeff

I personally rather dislike Yahoo groups, but at this stage it seems kind of
pointless to move the MOTM discussion elsewhere. As it currently stands, it
offers a variety of delivery forms (digest, single messages, HTML or not,
web-based or email) so people can pick something that should be more or less
acceptable to their personal whims and needs. Switching to some service that
didn't provide all of these formats would be a step backwards. Also, all of
the past traffic on this list is archived at the Yahoo site; it represents a
fairly useful resource of knowledge of things MOTM. What would happen to it
if the list were moved somewhere else?

--Adam

Well, so far, it seems many people are interested in maintaining the
list.  Obviously, starting another discussion forum wouldn't mean the
end of the yahoo group; the archive would remain here (as long as
yahoo doesn't tank, etc), and the discussion could remain alive.  The
advantage of a web forum is that it would be privately controlled, the
archive of messages/posts/topics could be kept secure.  Various people
could keep copies of it, so if the hosting were to die for some
reason, the forums could always be maintained.

HERE, however, is the problem:  I have no desire to damage or split
the community.  Just because *I* think web-based forums are a good
idea clearly doesn't mean everyone does.  There's something very nice
about a mailing list, getting your daily MOTM chatter fix straight to
your e-veins, heh.  I prefer the managed, categorized stuff you get
with forums; following a thread is a whole lot easier, and you can
also believe the ads would be *much* less prevalent.

But if, say, 20% of the regular contributors to the MOTM mailing list
decided they liked forums, they might stop contributing to the mailing
list, and that would be a problem.  As I said, I don't want to degrade
the MOTM discussion community, or even split it.  Yeah, web forums are
browsable via lynx, or elinks/links, or any other of a number of text
browsers, but it's not the same as using pine/whatever your mail
client of choice is.  

Still, if it's possible for paul to assign subdomains to other IP
addresses, I think having a forums.synthtech.com would be great.  But
again, that's just me, and I happen to host several forums.  I like
being able to tell when a topic has activity just by glancing at it,
etc.  Yeah, it would be marginally less attractive for *nix
console-only users, but not really much 'worse' than an e-mail list,
simply not as much of an 'improvement' as you get with a GUI browser.

My Two Cents, your exchange rates may vary.


--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Schabtach" <adam@s...> wrote:
> I personally rather dislike Yahoo groups, but at this stage it seems
kind of
> pointless to move the MOTM discussion elsewhere. As it currently
stands, it
> offers a variety of delivery forms (digest, single messages, HTML or
not,
> web-based or email) so people can pick something that should be more
or less
> acceptable to their personal whims and needs. Switching to some
service that
> didn't provide all of these formats would be a step backwards. Also,
all of
> the past traffic on this list is archived at the Yahoo site; it
represents a
> fairly useful resource of knowledge of things MOTM. What would
happen to it

> if the list were moved somewhere else?
> 
> --Adam

my 2 cents: I'm not a big fan of forums mainly because I have to 
actually make the time to browse to it and participate.  With the email 
list, I get all my messages in my mail client which I have open all the 
time.  It's just easier for me that way.  Also, as you said in a latter 
message, people who prefer forums tend to stop using the list and I'd 
rather have us all on one system be it email or forum, but not both.

Regarding yahoo, it's only a pain if you use a browser to view 
messages.  Since I have mine delivered via email, I never have to 
actually interact with groups.yahoo.com.  Moving a list is a big 
hassle.

- chris

On Apr 26, 2004, at 7:11 PM, sucrosemusic@... wrote:

> Just a question....
>  is everybody dedicated to using this MOTM mailing list, or would
>  people prefer the somewhat more structured system of using web-based
>  forums?  I've got hosting abilities up the wazoo, so if anyone things
>  having unofficial (or with Paul's support and approval... official)
>  MOTM web-based forums would be a Good Thing(tm), you should reply 
> here.

Hi All !

Can't remain silent on this one :)

I just like reading my mails offline, and as i'm still on dial-up, it's 
also cheaper as well .

Recently someone just set up a forum for the Nord Modular, de facto 
splitting the community .  The NordModular list has gone much quieter 
since .

I have been on the forum to see what's there, and i don't like it .  Too 
many frills that take ages to download, etc etc .  The discussions are 
intresting though, so a big loss to the mailinglist and imnsho the NM 
community at large ...

In my ideal world i would have wads of money to spend on a very fast 
connection, upgrading my computers every few months and a couple of 
serfbots to run the whole shebang for me .  I don't, so this stupid wants 
to keep it simple .

Cheers, i hope i made my point .


Keep 'em oscillating :)


Hugo
=

PS In my own archives i have 22115 motm mails to date .  I'm sure there 
are others with similar archives .  If someone needs em ...

Hey all,

Even though I have yet to actually order any modules I
do have rack rails and a compatible power supply. So I
am going to pipe in here. :) It was a very wise
decision not to split the community. Actually, it
probably would have ultimatly cost Paul (eventual)
sales from me. 

Here's why:

I hate forums. 
I am an ardent researcher.  

I don't purchase without research (in some cases years
of research (*cough*motm*cough*)) especially not
something that is big ticket. If a good amount of the
information was in forum format, for me, it may as
well not even exist. So while I have decided now that
I will be going MOTM (and Blacet), pending graduation
in June and securing of full time work, if any new
products were discussed on a forum, especially
products with high price tags and obscure functions, I
may never learn anymore than what it says on the
website, and in turn may never buy one.

When the idea of a forum was mentioned a chill
literally went down my spine. 

My whole point being that while e-mail may not be
everyones favourite way of communicating, I am
relatively sure no one _hates_it, I can't say the same
thing about forums, and in an industry this small,
with profits already pretty thin (as has been pointed
out by several manufacturers), I think the potential
loss of even one sale makes my point pretty salient. 

I can't be the only forum hating, research monkey out
there. 

That's it, differing opinions welcomed,

Mark


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I prefer keeping things the way they are.  In some cases... change is good.
Not to a mailing list though.    I've been using Yahoo! Groups since back in
the eGroups days.  Here... we have an online community... not just an email
list or a difficult to navigate / find information such as would be the case
in all the web based forums I've encountered.

Please do not change things.

- Brice
http://www.SynthModules.com

----- Original Message ----- 

From: <sucrosemusic@...>
To: <motm@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 9:11 PM
Subject: [motm] MOTM Forums? I'll host 'em...


> Just a question....
> is everybody dedicated to using this MOTM mailing list, or would
> people prefer the somewhat more structured system of using web-based
> forums?  I've got hosting abilities up the wazoo, so if anyone things
> having unofficial (or with Paul's support and approval... official)
> MOTM web-based forums would be a Good Thing(tm), you should reply here.
>
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Schabtach" <adam@s...> wrote:
>Also, all of
> the past traffic on this list is archived at the Yahoo site; 

BTW It's a couple of months now that whenever I try to search the 
list I find ONLY very recent messages. Where is the archive? Did I 
miss something?
Enrico (Italy)