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Hamster music

2004-03-20 by Paul Schreiber

(long URL)

http://instruct1.cit.cornell.edu//courses/eceprojectsland/STUDENTPROJ/2002to2003/lil2/index.html

I guess what depresses me is that one can get a MSEE from Cornell hooking
off-the shelf sensors to input ports of a uP and write some C code. ARGHHH!!!!!
FWIW, Bernie Hutchins (Electronotes) is from/still teaches at Cornell. Bob Moogs
PhD is from Cornell. ARRGGGGHHHH!!!

The WAV file is cute, as are the hamsters.

Paul S.
grump old fart, can still use slide rule

"Both C and UNIX started as a prank/inside joke and it sorta got out of hand." -
Dennis Richey

Re: [motm] Hamster music

2004-03-21 by Richard Brewster

Heh, one of my coworkers sent me this URL a few weeks ago.  Seems to me 
the musicality of the piece has little to do with the hamsters, which 
serve primarily as random function generators.  No doubt the hamsters 
could be replaced with six sample & holds with slewing circuits, and, 
coupled to the same music generating algorithms, produce equivalent 
music.  It might still make a good engineering project, but not nearly 
as interesting a web page.

-Richard Brewster

Paul Schreiber wrote:
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>(long URL)
>
>http://instruct1.cit.cornell.edu//courses/eceprojectsland/STUDENTPROJ/2002to2003/lil2/index.html
>
>I guess what depresses me is that one can get a MSEE from Cornell hooking
>off-the shelf sensors to input ports of a uP and write some C code. ARGHHH!!!!!
>FWIW, Bernie Hutchins (Electronotes) is from/still teaches at Cornell. Bob Moogs
>PhD is from Cornell. ARRGGGGHHHH!!!
>
>The WAV file is cute, as are the hamsters.
>
>Paul S.
>grump old fart, can still use slide rule
>
>"Both C and UNIX started as a prank/inside joke and it sorta got out of hand." -
>Dennis Richey
>
>
>  
>

Re: [motm] Hamster music

2004-03-21 by Neil Bradley

> "Both C and UNIX started as a prank/inside joke and it sorta got out of hand." -
> Dennis Richey

Should be:

Dennis Ritchie

-->Neil

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Re: [motm] Hamster music

2004-03-21 by Thomas Hudson

I'm occasionally asked to give technical interviews for potential hires  
here at Amazon. I had one where the kid had a CS degree from Stanford,  
and an MSCS from UCSD. I asked him to write a function to reverse a  
linked list. It took him 45 minutes to come up with a very ugly  
solution. On the second question he decided to use Java and implemented  
a stack using ArrayList, but did his pushes and pops from the front of  
the list (which internally involves moving all the other elements), and  
when I asked him about the performance implications with a large list,  
he couldn't tell me why it was bad. What the hell did he do in those  
six years of education, and how did that qualify him for a degree?

A colleague of mine argues that one shouldn't have to understand the  
underlying implementation to program in a language, because a person  
doesn't have to know how an engine works to drive a car. These are the  
people that never change their oil. Their VCR's blink "12:00" all the  
time.

The most precious thing I could ever give my kids in life it would be a  
fundamental curiosity for how things work and a desire to learn. That  
is obviously more important than a degree from Stanford.

He didn't get the job.

Tomy
Another grump old fart, wrote his own JVM and Lisp interpreter to  
understand the languages.
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On Mar 20, 2004, at 9:42 AM, Paul Schreiber wrote:

> (long URL)
>
> http://instruct1.cit.cornell.edu//courses/eceprojectsland/STUDENTPROJ/ 
> 2002to2003/lil2/index.html
>
> I guess what depresses me is that one can get a MSEE from Cornell  
> hooking
> off-the shelf sensors to input ports of a uP and write some C code.  
> ARGHHH!!!!!
> FWIW, Bernie Hutchins (Electronotes) is from/still teaches at Cornell.  
> Bob Moogs
> PhD is from Cornell. ARRGGGGHHHH!!!
>
> The WAV file is cute, as are the hamsters.
>
> Paul S.
> grump old fart, can still use slide rule
>
> "Both C and UNIX started as a prank/inside joke and it sorta got out  
> of hand." -
> Dennis Richey
>
>
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Re: [motm] Hamster music

2004-03-21 by Neil Bradley

> a stack using ArrayList, but did his pushes and pops from the front of
> the list (which internally involves moving all the other elements), and
> when I asked him about the performance implications with a large list,
> he couldn't tell me why it was bad. What the hell did he do in those
> six years of education, and how did that qualify him for a degree?

Reminds me of a new hire we had at Intel back in 1997 or so. The resume
looked good - she had a masters in computer science from I believe CMU
(can't remember the details for 100% certain).

Anyway, one day she was working on fixing a bug and invited my coworker
over for a look to figure out why her code wasn't working right. Upon
seeing her code, he saw this:

        for (i = 0; i < 4; i++)
        {
                switch (i)
                {
                        case 0:
                                procedure1();
                                break;
                        case 1:
                                procedure2();
                                break;
                        case 2:
                                procedure3();
                                break;
                        case 3:
                                procedure4();
                                break;
                        default:
                                break;
                }
        }

Something like this is either incredibly brilliant or obscenely stupid. In
this case it was the latter - hands down. The conversation with my
coworker went like this:

Him: "What is this code supposed to do?"
Her: "It's supposed to call those procedures in order."
Him: "Why didn't you just call them and get rid of the switch/case/loop?"
Her: "I heard that compilers reorder instructions and thought it would be
called out of order and it would cause my program to not work."
Him: "Did this solve the problem?"
Her: "No...."

> A colleague of mine argues that one shouldn't have to understand the
> underlying implementation to program in a language, because a person
> doesn't have to know how an engine works to drive a car. These are the
> people that never change their oil. Their VCR's blink "12:00" all the
> time.

You should point out that it's a flawed analogy. Programming applications
is akin to building the car, not operating it. You should know enough
about the language to know the consequences (like knowing enough about
vehicles to know why it's a bad idea to ignore idiot lights and to let
your brakes grind). It does make me wretch when I hear Java programmers
tell me that "pointers are too hard to understand". Not everything SHOULD
be easy/simple for everyone.

> The most precious thing I could ever give my kids in life it would be a
> fundamental curiosity for how things work and a desire to learn. That
> is obviously more important than a degree from Stanford.

Amen, brother. ;-)

-->Neil

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Neil Bradley             "Your mistletoe is no match for my T.O.W. missile!"
Synthcom Systems, Inc.   - Santabot - Futurama
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