MOTM

> All the auctions are for built kits, they’re all for 7 days, the
> reserve prices are set at 66% of the assembled price with a buy it now
> option of the assembled price minus 20 dollars.

As someone who buys a fair amount of kit on ebay, I feel compelled to
offer a few pointers about what (personally) makes me comfortable about
buying. Maybe others on the list will find this interesting.

First off, if you must sell a MOTM system (lost your job, back to
school, and medical expenses, are the only legitimate excuses!) Try
selling it here before you put it up on ebay. Identity verification is
a bit of a throny issue, so having a paypal account is a good idea. I
would never send cash or a check to just any Joe Modular.

As a general rule it's a good idea to mention that the kits where built
by you, and to place a picture of your solder work up when running an
auction on ebay, or a description of your soldering skills
(professional, nonprofessional, be prepared to back your self up here.)
From your text it would be easy for me to assume that these where
originally bought assembled as you quote the original assembled price
in your auction copy, when in fact you state that this is not true.

I have to say I'm also not a big fan of reading website literature in
auctions. It's much more reassuring to hear about the history of the
piece in question than to read the specs. (Smoke free studio, etc.) For
me, it's also an indicator of how serious an individual is about
selling. A proper history and description of working/visual condition
denotes an air of professionalism, and i'd rather read specs at the
original website. Leave a llink.

As a seller, I've found that BuyItNow works wonders for moving
equipment quickly. I usually try and gauge what the median price is and
set the buy it now at the median, and the auction start a percentage
below that. Don't bother with reserves. People tend to purchase
impulsively (for most things it turns out...), BuyItNow panders to that
tendency. MOTM modules seem to retain there value pretty well, even
customer assembled ones, though those are more variable. I would say a
Paul built MOTM module is probably worth more than the original kit
price.

Good luck, and hope to see you back after college!

--mikes

Thanks for the advice, I added a small section at the top of my
auctions with the information you suggested. Sorry if I sounded
misleading, I had used the assembled prices since I do feel my time
in assembly and testing is worth just as much as Paul's. The
comparison was to show you can buy one assembled from the website
for X.XX or one assembled from me for Y.YY, if I were selling
unassembled kits I would've used the kit prices.

I used eBay to take advantage of the free listing day and I feel
that the positive feedback I've earned over the past few years says
more about my business ethics than can be said through the list.

I also have a PayPal business account and welcome people to use that
due to the safety and insurance they offer.

I felt my pictures were ample to show the wiring and condition of
the PCBs, if anyone needs more details, I'd be happy to take more
detailed photos and send them out via email.

I also list exactly what the website says to avoid being misleading.
I'd love to give my views on how great I think MOTM is, but someone
might not agree, (probably why paia is still in business) I try to
stick to the facts and leave my opinions for personal emails. When
it comes to eBay disputes, it's easier to prove what a manufaturer
states that what I personally thought.

If anyone has any questinos I personally invite them to ask me and
i'll be more than happy to answer.

-Nate

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, Mike Estee <mikest@a...> wrote:
> > All the auctions are for built kits, they're all for 7 days, the
> > reserve prices are set at 66% of the assembled price with a buy
it now
> > option of the assembled price minus 20 dollars.
>
> As someone who buys a fair amount of kit on ebay, I feel compelled
to
> offer a few pointers about what (personally) makes me comfortable
about
> buying. Maybe others on the list will find this interesting.
>
> First off, if you must sell a MOTM system (lost your job, back to
> school, and medical expenses, are the only legitimate excuses!)
Try
> selling it here before you put it up on ebay. Identity
verification is
> a bit of a throny issue, so having a paypal account is a good
idea. I
> would never send cash or a check to just any Joe Modular.
>
> As a general rule it's a good idea to mention that the kits where
built
> by you, and to place a picture of your solder work up when running
an
> auction on ebay, or a description of your soldering skills
> (professional, nonprofessional, be prepared to back your self up
here.)
> From your text it would be easy for me to assume that these where
> originally bought assembled as you quote the original assembled
price
> in your auction copy, when in fact you state that this is not true.
>
> I have to say I'm also not a big fan of reading website literature
in
> auctions. It's much more reassuring to hear about the history of
the
> piece in question than to read the specs. (Smoke free studio,
etc.) For
> me, it's also an indicator of how serious an individual is about
> selling. A proper history and description of working/visual
condition
> denotes an air of professionalism, and i'd rather read specs at
the
> original website. Leave a llink.
>
> As a seller, I've found that BuyItNow works wonders for moving
> equipment quickly. I usually try and gauge what the median price
is and
> set the buy it now at the median, and the auction start a
percentage
> below that. Don't bother with reserves. People tend to purchase
> impulsively (for most things it turns out...), BuyItNow panders to
that
> tendency. MOTM modules seem to retain there value pretty well,
even
> customer assembled ones, though those are more variable. I would
say a
> Paul built MOTM module is probably worth more than the original
kit
> price.
>
> Good luck, and hope to see you back after college!
>
> --mikes

thinning out some duplicates & rarely used stuff here --

MOTM-100 noise/s&h $150
MOTM-310 micro vco $200
MOTM-485 gx-1 filter $200
MOTM-820 vc lag $200

everything is in fully functional shape and is at least 9/10
cosmetically. charles built the 820, i built the 485, i don't know
who built the others.

i might be up for MOTM format modules in trade.

prices exclude shipping from Oakland, CA.

tx
j

selling off some unneeded duplicates etc. i built the CGS stuff, i'm
not quite remembering who built the MOTM stuff - everything has
always worked fine for me.

MOTM-420 filter - $250
MOTM-700 switch - $200

CGS infinite melody behind nice FPE panel - $150
CGS diatonic converter behind nice FPE panel - $120

i'm located in Oakland, CA, and will hold out for a few days for a
local sale. prices don't include shipping if it gets to that.

thanks much
j

hopefully the selloff stops here...

MOTM-380 quad LFO $150
Oakley EFG behind nice MOTM format FPE panel $150
Tellun 428 CEM 3320 based multimode filter behind MOTM Stooge panel $250

JLH-833 interval selector PCB, panel, and matched resistor set $50

i will hold out for a day or two for local sales. if i end up
shipping stuff, buyer pays shipping from Oakland, CA.

thanks
j

I will take the JLH-833 stuff if it's still available. -- skw

On Oct 23, 2007, at 5:19 PM, Jason Proctor wrote:

> hopefully the selloff stops here...
>
> MOTM-380 quad LFO $150
> Oakley EFG behind nice MOTM format FPE panel $150
> Tellun 428 CEM 3320 based multimode filter behind MOTM Stooge panel
> $250
>
> JLH-833 interval selector PCB, panel, and matched resistor set $50
>
> i will hold out for a day or two for local sales. if i end up
> shipping stuff, buyer pays shipping from Oakland, CA.
>
> thanks
> j
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

the 380, EFG, and 831 (sorry, typo) are spoken for. the 428 remains.

thanks to all who responded.

>hopefully the selloff stops here...
>
>MOTM-380 quad LFO $150
>Oakley EFG behind nice MOTM format FPE panel $150
>Tellun 428 CEM 3320 based multimode filter behind MOTM Stooge panel $250
>
>JLH-833 interval selector PCB, panel, and matched resistor set $50
>
>i will hold out for a day or two for local sales. if i end up
>shipping stuff, buyer pays shipping from Oakland, CA.
>
>thanks
>j

everything is gone - thanks to all who responded.

On 7/1/08, Dave Bradley <mate.stubb@...> wrote:

I have a few more modules for sale from the Synth of Doom. Everything is in excellent shape and expertly assembled by me, except for the 650 which is factory assembled.

1 - MOTM-320 vc lfo - $200

2 - MOTM-390 dual lfo - $175 each

1 - MOTM-650 midi/cv - $450

1 - MOTM-700 vc router - $200

1 - MOTM-820 vc lag - $225

2 - MOTM-830 mixers - $275 each

Please contact me off-list, thanks!
--
Moe

http://www.hotrodmotm.com

--
Dave Bradley

Dave's right, people! I'd have bought this one if I didn't have my
second one coming from Paul. That's right - I've got two. There are
very few patches that can't benefit from the wonderful MOTM-700. Why?
Because it's a dual...:

CV and audio router
frequency modulator/wave mangler
comparator
stereo ping pong effect (really - try it if you dare!)
stutter effect (for the early Van Halen fans...)

That's just the obvious stuff. The "intended" service is plenty
useful for the asking price.

Chub - dual is not enough

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Bradley" <mate.stubb@...> wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> All modules are spoken for except for the MOTM-700. This module is the
> Rodney Dangerfield of the MOTM line - it gets no respect!
>
> Someone please give this very cool module a new home.
>
> Moe

i've also got two - very useful - you can also use them with Larry's
wonderful voltage shifters to build an arpeggiator

think i've been lurking for too long - here's where thing stood
earlier this week (post moving house and rebuilding the studio)

http://web.mac.com/unrecordings/Un!_Recordings/Studio_files/P1030168.JPG

cheers
paul/sheffield

On 3 Jul 2008, at 20:10, Charles Osthelder wrote:

> Dave's right, people! I'd have bought this one if I didn't have my
> second one coming from Paul. That's right - I've got two. There are
> very few patches that can't benefit from the wonderful MOTM-700. Why?
> Because it's a dual...:
>
> CV and audio router
> frequency modulator/wave mangler
> comparator
> stereo ping pong effect (really - try it if you dare!)
> stutter effect (for the early Van Halen fans...)
>
> That's just the obvious stuff. The "intended" service is plenty
> useful for the asking price.
>
> Chub - dual is not enough
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Bradley" <mate.stubb@...> wrote:
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>> All modules are spoken for except for the MOTM-700. This module is
>> the
>> Rodney Dangerfield of the MOTM line - it gets no respect!
>>
>> Someone please give this very cool module a new home.
>>
>> Moe
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Osthelder
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 1:11 PM
To: motm@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [motm] Re: modules for sale

Dave's right, people! I'd have bought this one if I didn't have my
second one coming from Paul. That's right - I've got two. There are
very few patches that can't benefit from the wonderful MOTM-700. Why?
Because it's a dual...:

CV and audio router
frequency modulator/wave mangler
comparator
stereo ping pong effect (really - try it if you dare!)
stutter effect (for the early Van Halen fans...)

That's just the obvious stuff. The "intended" service is plenty
useful for the asking price.

Chub - dual is not enough

--- In motm@yahoogroups. com, "Dave Bradley" <mate.stubb@ ...> wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> All modules are spoken for except for the MOTM-700. This module is the
> Rodney Dangerfield of the MOTM line - it gets no respect!
>
> Someone please give this very cool module a new home.
>
> Moe

Charles Ostshelder writes:

>>That's just the obvious stuff. The "intended" service is plenty useful

for the asking price.<<

Plus it is used in a number of functions that I listed a couple of months
ago about emulating modules that MOTM doesn't have, like AND/OR/XOR logic,
rectifier, evelope follower, and velocity switching.

Dave Bradley writes:

>>All modules are spoken for except for the MOTM-700. This module is the

Rodney Dangerfield of the MOTM line - it gets no respect!<<

I can see that. Some people who buy one then just want to get rid of it.
:-o

-Elhardt
"We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters
will eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to
the Internet, we know this is not true." -Robert Wilensky

You can allways make updates and cancellations of ordered modules. Ofcourse the long waiting for MOTM-delivery can cause changes in peoples buing plans.

--- On Thu, 7/3/08, Adam Schabtach <lists@...> wrote:

From: Adam Schabtach <lists@...>
Subject: RE: [motm] Re: modules for sale
To: motm@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 9:47 PM

Yup. I'd buy it if I didn't already have a second one waiting to be built. A very handy module.

I've been thinking about a modification, though. Suppose the B jack were wired to +5V through the switched lug on the jack. If you inserted a cable, the module would operate normally. If there were nothing in the B jack, you could use the module as a comparator without any other routing: the output would switch from 0V to +5V when the CV input exceeded the level set with the Switch knob. Sure, you can use an unused 800 module as a source of +5V, but who wants to tie up a valuable EG for something so mundane?

I've been trying to decide whether it makes more sense to add a +5V regulator to the module itself, or to rig a six-conductor power cable to pick up the +5V from the power distro board.

--Adam

(lucky purchaser of one of Moe's LFOs)

From: motm@yahoogroups. com [mailto:motm@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Charles Osthelder
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 1:11 PM
To: motm@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [motm] Re: modules for sale

Dave's right, people! I'd have bought this one if I didn't have my
second one coming from Paul. That's right - I've got two. There are
very few patches that can't benefit from the wonderful MOTM-700. Why?
Because it's a dual...:

CV and audio router
frequency modulator/wave mangler
comparator
stereo ping pong effect (really - try it if you dare!)
stutter effect (for the early Van Halen fans...)

That's just the obvious stuff. The "intended" service is plenty
useful for the asking price.

Chub - dual is not enough

--- In motm@yahoogroups. com, "Dave Bradley" <mate.stubb@ ...> wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> All modules are spoken for except for the MOTM-700. This module is the
> Rodney Dangerfield of the MOTM line - it gets no respect!
>
> Someone please give this very cool module a new home.
>
> Moe

I practically woke up this morning regretting that I hadn't purchased it yesterday! Waiting to see if I'm the lucky dog...

John

From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Henrik
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 2:10 PM
To: motm@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [motm] Re: modules for sale

You can allways make updates and cancellations of ordered modules. Ofcourse the long waiting for MOTM-delivery can cause changes in peoples buing plans.


--- On Thu, 7/3/08, Adam Schabtach <lists@studionebula. com> wrote:

From: Adam Schabtach <lists@studionebula. com>
Subject: RE: [motm] Re: modules for sale
To: motm@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 9:47 PM

Yup. I'd buy it if I didn't already have a second one waiting to be built. A very handy module.

I've been thinking about a modification, though. Suppose the B jack were wired to +5V through the switched lug on the jack. If you inserted a cable, the module would operate normally. If there were nothing in the B jack, you could use the module as a comparator without any other routing: the output would switch from 0V to +5V when the CV input exceeded the level set with the Switch knob. Sure, you can use an unused 800 module as a source of +5V, but who wants to tie up a valuable EG for something so mundane?

I've been trying to decide whether it makes more sense to add a +5V regulator to the module itself, or to rig a six-conductor power cable to pick up the +5V from the power distro board.

--Adam

(lucky purchaser of one of Moe's LFOs)

From: motm@yahoogroups. com [mailto:motm@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Charles Osthelder
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 1:11 PM
To: motm@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [motm] Re: modules for sale

Dave's right, people! I'd have bought this one if I didn't have my
second one coming from Paul. That's right - I've got two. There are
very few patches that can't benefit from the wonderful MOTM-700. Why?
Because it's a dual...:

CV and audio router
frequency modulator/wave mangler
comparator
stereo ping pong effect (really - try it if you dare!)
stutter effect (for the early Van Halen fans...)

That's just the obvious stuff. The "intended" service is plenty
useful for the asking price.

Chub - dual is not enough

--- In motm@yahoogroups. com, "Dave Bradley" <mate.stubb@ ...> wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> All modules are spoken for except for the MOTM-700. This module is the
> Rodney Dangerfield of the MOTM line - it gets no respect!
>
> Someone please give this very cool module a new home.
>
> Moe

Ah, ok. Sorry. I meant generelly if anayone is waiting for a module to be built by Paul. Charles Osthelder mentioned that.

--- On Thu, 7/3/08, Adam Schabtach <lists@...> wrote:

From: Adam Schabtach <lists@...>
Subject: RE: [motm] Re: modules for sale
To: sequenrik@..., motm@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 10:38 PM

I don't understand what you mean. I was talking about modifying the modules I already have. This has nothing to do with ordering modules or how long it takes an order to be filled...?

--Adam

From: motm@yahoogroups. com [mailto:motm@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Henrik
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 2:10 PM
To: motm@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [motm] Re: modules for sale

You can allways make updates and cancellations of ordered modules. Ofcourse the long waiting for MOTM-delivery can cause changes in peoples buing plans.


--- On Thu, 7/3/08, Adam Schabtach <lists@studionebula. com> wrote:

From: Adam Schabtach <lists@studionebula. com>
Subject: RE: [motm] Re: modules for sale
To: motm@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 9:47 PM

Yup. I'd buy it if I didn't already have a second one waiting to be built. A very handy module.

I've been thinking about a modification, though. Suppose the B jack were wired to +5V through the switched lug on the jack. If you inserted a cable, the module would operate normally. If there were nothing in the B jack, you could use the module as a comparator without any other routing: the output would switch from 0V to +5V when the CV input exceeded the level set with the Switch knob. Sure, you can use an unused 800 module as a source of +5V, but who wants to tie up a valuable EG for something so mundane?

I've been trying to decide whether it makes more sense to add a +5V regulator to the module itself, or to rig a six-conductor power cable to pick up the +5V from the power distro board.

--Adam

(lucky purchaser of one of Moe's LFOs)

From: motm@yahoogroups. com [mailto:motm@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Charles Osthelder
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 1:11 PM
To: motm@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [motm] Re: modules for sale

Dave's right, people! I'd have bought this one if I didn't have my
second one coming from Paul. That's right - I've got two. There are
very few patches that can't benefit from the wonderful MOTM-700. Why?
Because it's a dual...:

CV and audio router
frequency modulator/wave mangler
comparator
stereo ping pong effect (really - try it if you dare!)
stutter effect (for the early Van Halen fans...)

That's just the obvious stuff. The "intended" service is plenty
useful for the asking price.

Chub - dual is not enough

--- In motm@yahoogroups. com, "Dave Bradley" <mate.stubb@ ...> wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> All modules are spoken for except for the MOTM-700. This module is the
> Rodney Dangerfield of the MOTM line - it gets no respect!
>
> Someone please give this very cool module a new home.
>
> Moe

On 7/3/08, Adam Schabtach put forth:

>I've been trying to decide whether it makes more sense to add a +5V
>regulator to the module itself, or to rig a six-conductor power
>cable to pick up the +5V from the power distro board.

It looks as though an MOTM-700 already has a +5V regulator.

From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 5:40 PM
To: motm@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [motm] Re: modules for sale

On 7/3/08, Adam Schabtach put forth:
>I've been trying to decide whether it makes more sense to add a +5V
>regulator to the module itself, or to rig a six-conductor power
>cable to pick up the +5V from the power distro board.

It looks as though an MOTM-700 already has a +5V regulator.

From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Henrik
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 3:30 PM
To: motm@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [motm] Re: modules for sale

Ah, ok. Sorry. I meant generelly if anayone is waiting for a module to be built by Paul. Charles Osthelder mentioned that.

--- On Thu, 7/3/08, Adam Schabtach <lists@studionebula. com> wrote:

From: Adam Schabtach <lists@studionebula. com>
Subject: RE: [motm] Re: modules for sale
To: sequenrik@yahoo. com, motm@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 10:38 PM

I don't understand what you mean. I was talking about modifying the modules I already have. This has nothing to do with ordering modules or how long it takes an order to be filled...?

--Adam

From: motm@yahoogroups. com [mailto:motm@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Henrik
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 2:10 PM
To: motm@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [motm] Re: modules for sale

You can allways make updates and cancellations of ordered modules. Ofcourse the long waiting for MOTM-delivery can cause changes in peoples buing plans.


--- On Thu, 7/3/08, Adam Schabtach <lists@studionebula. com> wrote:

From: Adam Schabtach <lists@studionebula. com>
Subject: RE: [motm] Re: modules for sale
To: motm@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 9:47 PM

Yup. I'd buy it if I didn't already have a second one waiting to be built. A very handy module.

I've been thinking about a modification, though. Suppose the B jack were wired to +5V through the switched lug on the jack. If you inserted a cable, the module would operate normally. If there were nothing in the B jack, you could use the module as a comparator without any other routing: the output would switch from 0V to +5V when the CV input exceeded the level set with the Switch knob. Sure, you can use an unused 800 module as a source of +5V, but who wants to tie up a valuable EG for something so mundane?

I've been trying to decide whether it makes more sense to add a +5V regulator to the module itself, or to rig a six-conductor power cable to pick up the +5V from the power distro board.

--Adam

(lucky purchaser of one of Moe's LFOs)

From: motm@yahoogroups. com [mailto:motm@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Charles Osthelder
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 1:11 PM
To: motm@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [motm] Re: modules for sale

Dave's right, people! I'd have bought this one if I didn't have my
second one coming from Paul. That's right - I've got two. There are
very few patches that can't benefit from the wonderful MOTM-700. Why?
Because it's a dual...:

CV and audio router
frequency modulator/wave mangler
comparator
stereo ping pong effect (really - try it if you dare!)
stutter effect (for the early Van Halen fans...)

That's just the obvious stuff. The "intended" service is plenty
useful for the asking price.

Chub - dual is not enough

--- In motm@yahoogroups. com, "Dave Bradley" <mate.stubb@ ...> wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> All modules are spoken for except for the MOTM-700. This module is the
> Rodney Dangerfield of the MOTM line - it gets no respect!
>
> Someone please give this very cool module a new home.
>
> Moe

I am selling these modules because I don't use them enough. MOTM-490 Moog Lowpass VCF $250 modcan CV Recorder 57B $540 modcan Envelope Follower 45B $300

I've finally accepted the fact that I'm not going to be building a
larger cabinet anytime soon, and it's time to send these lonely modules
to a deserving home.

MOTM 410 filter $300
MOTM 420 filter $250
MOTM 310 vco $240
MOTM 190 vca $225
MOTM 800 envelope $150
Oakley equinoxe phaser $150
Oakley multimix 3-input mixer $150

All built by me from kits except 410 and 420 which I bought used, and
was told they were bought assembled.
Oakley modules built with Stooge panels.
All in good working order.
Will include power cables and rack screws.

Paypal Only.
Would prefer not to ship overseas.
Shipping included to United States destinations.

nathan