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This coax stuff

This coax stuff

2003-10-21 by Jeffrey Pontius

Ok, I spent the last hour+ cutting, stripping, shredding, braiding,
mutilating, ... 16 pieces of coax wire for the additional 320 (still the
neatest lfo imho) modification pcbs that Scott Juskiw has provided
(thanks, Scott).  This has got to be the most tedious, finger bruising
thing that I've ever done in building a module [and making me appreciate
that Paul provides ready-made coax segments].

My question: Is it worth  using coax instead of 'regular wire'?  I'm not
interested in what your audiophile oscilloscope (probably haven't even
spelled it correctly) indicates, I'm interested in any *audible* differences.

[Yes, I'm grumpy] Jeff

Re: [motm] This coax stuff

2003-10-21 by KA4HJH

>Ok, I spent the last hour+ cutting, stripping, shredding, braiding,
>mutilating, ... 16 pieces of coax wire for the additional 320 (still the
>neatest lfo imho) modification pcbs that Scott Juskiw has provided
>(thanks, Scott).  This has got to be the most tedious, finger bruising
>thing that I've ever done in building a module [and making me appreciate
>that Paul provides ready-made coax segments].

If you're going to be doing a lot of DIY get a dedicated coax stripper and
you'll be MUCH less grumpy.


At 11:41 PM -0500 10/20/03, Paul Schreiber wrote:
>For a '320 LFO, twisted pair wire is fine.

When you actually need coax, that is.  8^D
-- 

Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
"The Mac Doctor"

Re: [motm] This coax stuff

2003-10-21 by Adam Schabtach

> If you're going to be doing a lot of DIY get a dedicated coax stripper and
> you'll be MUCH less grumpy.

I have one of those automatic strippers with the clamp on the left and the
blades on the right, with notches for 10-22ga wire. The largest notch works
well for stripping the outer jacket of small coax.

The other trick I've discovered is using the corkscrew on a Swiss Army knife
to unbraid the shield. It's pointy but has smooth sides, so it teases the
braid apart without nicking and breaking the strands.

I'm sure that a dedicated coax stripper works better, but these are
techniques born many years ago, from a small budget. :-)

--Adam

Re: [motm] This coax stuff

2003-10-21 by Scott Juskiw

>If you're going to be doing a lot of DIY get a dedicated coax stripper and
>you'll be MUCH less grumpy.

Does anybody have a part number for a dedicated coax stripper?

Re: [motm] This coax stuff

2003-10-22 by Richard Brewster

I must be old fashioned (or else very agile.)   I use either of two methods 
to prepare coax ends.  If I want to use the coax braid to make the 
connection, I prepare the cable just like those that come ready-made with 
MOTM kits.  First I strip the insulation with my trusty all-purpose wire 
stripper, a simple hand tool permanently set for #24 gauge, but which I use 
for all gauges.  I'm careful not to nick the braid.  Then I bend the cable 
sharply and tease out the inner wire with a tiny sharp awl (much like the 
Swiss Army Knife corkscrew, but it's straight).  It's not too hard to pull 
the wire out, leaving the braid fully intact and now to the side.  Twist 
the braid and tin.   Strip the inner conductor and tin.  Done.  Tinning is 
easiest if you have a "solder pot" but I bet hardly anybody here (except 
maybe Paul Schreiber) needs to do that much assembly-line work.  A solder 
pot, in case you don't know is just that -- a small pot of molten solder 
that you dip your wires into for tinning.

The other method I learned while assembling avionics computers, long 
ago.  For this method, after you strip the outer insulation, bunch up the 
braid to form a lip and cut it off with dikes (or use a special 
tool).  Then wrap a 2-inch #24 gauge stranded pigtail around the remaining 
braid and solder it before covering with a piece of heat shrink.  Now you 
have a very tidy set of wires to connect - no braid in sight.  A heat gun 
comes in handy.  It is also possible to use a "solder sleeve", which is a 
bit of heat shrink prepared with a ring of solder inside it.  Using the 
high heat setting on your heat gun, you can solder the pigtail and shrink 
it all in one shot.  I prepared hundreds of coax cables that way and it 
goes pretty fast.  I don't bother with solder sleeves now because I don't 
have a great quantity to do and I'm bold enough to solder the pigtail with 
my soldering iron.  Yes, you risk melting the inner insulation, but it's a 
small risk if you are practiced.

I did try a coax stripping tool for the RG-59 cables I made to carry video 
-- be glad you  don't have to deal with BNC connectors -- ages ago and 
didn't like it much.  But if I had to do a lot of coax prep, I would look 
into getting one.

Oh, and I don't plan on using coax for the MOTM-320R mod.  I will just use 
twisted pair.  (Tip: Cut two long pieces of colored wire, say 10-foot 
each.  Use different colors of course!  Knot them togther at one end and 
clamp in a vise.  Put the other ends into your electric hand drill.  Keep 
it taught...  zrrssh.... nice twisted pair.  I used to go out into the 
corridor at work and make twisted pair this way with 50-foot lengths.)

-Richard Brewster (who spent too much time in his youth on assembly lines)


At 10:19 AM 10/21/03 -0600, Adam Schabtach wrote:
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> > If you're going to be doing a lot of DIY get a dedicated coax stripper and
> > you'll be MUCH less grumpy.
>
>I have one of those automatic strippers with the clamp on the left and the
>blades on the right, with notches for 10-22ga wire. The largest notch works
>well for stripping the outer jacket of small coax.
>
>The other trick I've discovered is using the corkscrew on a Swiss Army knife
>to unbraid the shield. It's pointy but has smooth sides, so it teases the
>braid apart without nicking and breaking the strands.
>
>I'm sure that a dedicated coax stripper works better, but these are
>techniques born many years ago, from a small budget. :-)
>
>--Adam

Re: [motm] This coax stuff

2003-10-23 by Ryan

thanks for telling us this. I've been making small cables for a TLN-156
reverb and was trying to cut the shield down one side, but it got all messy,
and it was loosing alot of the braid. I just did one with this first method
and it worked perfectly, and much faster.

thanks...
ryan

From: "Richard Brewster" <pugix@...>
> I must be old fashioned (or else very agile.)   I use either of two
methods
> to prepare coax ends.  If I want to use the coax braid to make the
> connection, I prepare the cable just like those that come ready-made with
> MOTM kits.  First I strip the insulation with my trusty all-purpose wire
> stripper, a simple hand tool permanently set for #24 gauge, but which I
use
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> for all gauges.  I'm careful not to nick the braid.  Then I bend the cable
> sharply and tease out the inner wire with a tiny sharp awl (much like the
> Swiss Army Knife corkscrew, but it's straight).  It's not too hard to pull
> the wire out, leaving the braid fully intact and now to the side.  Twist
> the braid and tin.   Strip the inner conductor and tin.  Done.  Tinning is
> easiest if you have a "solder pot" but I bet hardly anybody here (except
> maybe Paul Schreiber) needs to do that much assembly-line work.  A solder
> pot, in case you don't know is just that -- a small pot of molten solder
> that you dip your wires into for tinning.

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