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MOTM Duduk?

2003-10-11 by coyoteous

Let's try this again - my text got spooged the first time...

Our fearless leader posted the message below to TGS. I don't post there, bu=
t I
have an observation/question. I'm sorry, what I hear has samples (bass, per=
c.,
etc.) and a REAL Duduk (ala Djivan Gasparyan, et al). Maybe the link is to =
the
wrong snippet?

B a r r y S t r a m p

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paults.... And now for something.... (09-Oct-03 11:56PM)

- completely different.

Since Koko no likey Robert Rich stuff, and Peake still thinks modular bass =
has
to go "whump", a snippett of a track.

Yes, it's all MOTM except for a vocal sample that fades in about 0:55 and i=
s
high-pass filtered then "swished" by the triple res filter.

The lead "double reed with portamento" is played in real-time using pitch a=
nd
mod wheels plus a MOTM-850 pedal interface for adding "squawk" by
additional harmonics from the MOTM-120 Sub-Octave Mux.

And no, it's not Elhardt. It is about 65 modules, though :)

http://www.synthtech.com/demo/d_reed.mp3

paults

Re: MOTM Duduk?

2003-10-13 by coyoteous

So, does the masked duduk synthesist wish to go public? :-)

I still think the link was to the wrong file or it's semi-practical
joke. Gasparyan's "I Will Not Be Sad In this World" (produced by Brian
Eno) is one of my all time favorite recordings. Peter Gabriel brought
the duduk (or "mey") out relative obscurity by using it on "Passion."
Now it is very cliched sound, used for anything Middle-eastern, as
phrases are available on a number of Sample CD's, etc. Anyway, unless
proven otherwise I consider this to be a REAL duduk. As good as they
are, I easily spotted Eldhart's recorder as synthetic (especially the
vibrato/tremelo).

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From: Mike Estee <mikest@a...>
Subject: Re: [motm] MOTM Duduk?

That's very very nice. Anyway the artist could be talked into
talking a bit about the patches assembled?

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--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "coyoteous" <satori@t...> wrote:
>Let's try this again - my text got spooged the first time...
>
>Our fearless leader posted the message below to TGS. I don't post
>there, but I have an observation/question. I'm sorry, what I hear has
>samples (bass, perc., etc.) and a REAL Duduk (ala Djivan Gasparyan,
>et al). Maybe the link is to the wrong snippet?
>
> B a r r y S t r a m p
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> paults.... And now for something.... (09-Oct-03 11:56PM)
>
> - completely different.
>
>Since Koko no likey Robert Rich stuff, and Peake still thinks
>modular bass has to go "whump", a snippett of a track.
>
>Yes, it's all MOTM except for a vocal sample that fades in about 0:55
>and is high-pass filtered then "swished" by the triple res filter.
>
>The lead "double reed with portamento" is played in real-time using
>pitch and mod wheels plus a MOTM-850 pedal interface for adding
>"squawk" by additional harmonics from the MOTM-120 Sub-Octave Mux.
>
> And no, it's not Elhardt. It is about 65 modules, though :)
>
> http://www.synthtech.com/demo/d_reed.mp3
>
> paults

Re: [motm] Re: MOTM Duduk?

2003-10-13 by Paul Schreiber

Not a joke: it's MOTM. Pretty good, huh?

BTW: the artist is on the MOTM list.

Paul S.

Re: MOTM Duduk?

2003-10-13 by rreprobate

The ghatam was the most convincing part, I thought!
How many MOTM modules does it take to sound like a clay pot?

Cheers,
Max

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@a...>
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> Not a joke: it's MOTM. Pretty good, huh?
>
> BTW: the artist is on the MOTM list.
>
> Paul S.

Re: MOTM Duduk?

2003-10-13 by coyoteous

Okay, I'm going to listen to this again on my vintage K240M's when I
get back to work ;-). So, 65 modules, on the MOTM list and playing/
additive/subtractive/fm(?) chops enough to fool a bonifide ethnic
woodwind afficianado - must be Paul Haneberg? If everthing in this
clip MOTM (except the voice) and no physical modeling (no Synthtech
delay, right?) then Paul S., send me a portion of humble pie with my
next order. I declare Eldhart dethroned and "The Masked Duduk
Synthesist" the new King of Imatative Synthesis.

B a r r y S t r a m p

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--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@a...> wrote:
> Not a joke: it's MOTM. Pretty good, huh?
>
> BTW: the artist is on the MOTM list.
>
> Paul S.

Re: MOTM Duduk?

2003-10-13 by coyoteous

Should read: If everthing in this clip "is all" MOTM...

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--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "coyoteous" <satori@t...> wrote:
> Okay, I'm going to listen to this again on my vintage K240M's when I
> get back to work ;-). So, 65 modules, on the MOTM list and playing/
> additive/subtractive/fm(?) chops enough to fool a bonifide ethnic
> woodwind afficianado - must be Paul Haneberg? If everthing in this
> clip MOTM (except the voice) and no physical modeling (no Synthtech
> delay, right?) then Paul S., send me a portion of humble pie with my
> next order. I declare Eldhart dethroned and "The Masked Duduk
> Synthesist" the new King of Imatative Synthesis.
>
> B a r r y S t r a m p
>
> --- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@a...> wrote:
> > Not a joke: it's MOTM. Pretty good, huh?
> >
> > BTW: the artist is on the MOTM list.
> >
> > Paul S.

Re: [motm] Re: MOTM Duduk?

2003-10-13 by Adam Schabtach

> Not a joke: it's MOTM. Pretty good, huh?
>
> BTW: the artist is on the MOTM list.

If it's not a joke, then it's a mistake. The MP3 is an excerpt from the last
track on the Delta Force: Black Hawk Down PC game soundtrack CD. It's not
all MOTM by any stretch of the imagination. Russell Brower, MOTM user and
subscriber to this list, did indeed play on it, but so did four other
musicians. One of them is Papa Gynoo, credited with playing the duduk and
ney, among other things. Credit for drums and percussion goes to Jerry
Marotta, although Ron Fish gets credits for "Loops" (and synthesizers) also,
so the drums could be his work.

No offense intended to either Russell or Paul, but my K240Ms (and the
credits on the CD) say it's more other stuff than MOTM, actually.

--Adam

Re: [motm] Re: MOTM Duduk?

2003-10-13 by Paul Schreiber

Correct, but not on *this* excerpt.

Paul S.

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From: "Adam Schabtach" <adam@...>
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Subject: Re: [motm] Re: MOTM Duduk?

> > Not a joke: it's MOTM. Pretty good, huh?
> >
> > BTW: the artist is on the MOTM list.
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> If it's not a joke, then it's a mistake. The MP3 is an excerpt from the last
> track on the Delta Force: Black Hawk Down PC game soundtrack CD. It's not
> all MOTM by any stretch of the imagination. Russell Brower, MOTM user and
> subscriber to this list, did indeed play on it, but so did four other
> musicians. One of them is Papa Gynoo, credited with playing the duduk and
> ney, among other things. Credit for drums and percussion goes to Jerry
> Marotta, although Ron Fish gets credits for "Loops" (and synthesizers) also,
> so the drums could be his work.
>
> No offense intended to either Russell or Paul, but my K240Ms (and the
> credits on the CD) say it's more other stuff than MOTM, actually.
>
> --Adam
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Re: MOTM Duduk?

2003-10-13 by paulhaneberg

It's not me. ROFLOL
My synth is good enough, but I'm not.
Is it Scott Juskiw?

Re: MOTM Duduk?

2003-10-13 by elle_webb

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, Adam Schabtach <adam@s...> wrote:

>The MP3 is an excerpt from the last
> track on the Delta Force: Black Hawk Down PC game soundtrack CD.

It's not

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> all MOTM by any stretch of the imagination.

Aside from the MOTM/Duduk question - the mussic sample sounds great! I
like that it's got the MOTM work on it, but sounds more organic than
electronic.

Is the rest of the CD as good? I haven't really ever checked out game
soundtracks before...

Re: [motm] Re: MOTM Duduk?

2003-10-13 by Paul Schreiber

You can buy it at www.novalogic.com

and there is an on-line article about Russell there.

Anyway, this has been beaten to death, let's wait to hear if the MOTM-480 can do 'Blade Runner'
:)

Paul S.

Re: [motm] Re: MOTM Duduk?

2003-10-13 by J. Larry Hendry

I highly recommend the CD. I was skeptical that a "game" sound track would
be interesting. But, it is interesting, emotional, and musical. Russell is
a talented guy. :)
Larry H

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From: Paul Schreiber <synth1@...>
You can buy it at www.novalogic.com
and there is an on-line article about Russell there.

Re: [motm] Re: MOTM Duduk?

2003-10-13 by Richard Brewster

Some computer games have very sophisticated sound tracks, approaching
Hollywood movie level. Many no doubt employ any and all available
synthesizer technology. Believe it or not the computer gaming industry is
bigger than the movie industry.

Richard Brewster (a former employee of Electronic Arts)

At 05:54 PM 10/13/03 -0500, J. Larry Hendry wrote:

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>I highly recommend the CD. I was skeptical that a "game" sound track would
>be interesting. But, it is interesting, emotional, and musical. Russell is
>a talented guy. :)
>Larry H
>

[motm] Re: MOTM Duduk?

2003-10-14 by Scott Juskiw

At 8:09 PM +0000 2003/10/13, paulhaneberg wrote:

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>It's not me. ROFLOL
>My synth is good enough, but I'm not.
>Is it Scott Juskiw?

I wish it were, but it's not me either (big synth, tiny brain).

;-)

[motm] Re: MOTM Duduk?

2003-10-21 by elhardt@att.net

I haven't been online much the past couple of weeks, so excuse the late
responses.

coyoteous writes:

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>>So, 65 modules, on the MOTM list and playing/additive/subtractive/fm(?)

chops enough to fool a bonifide ethnic woodwind afficianado. If everthing in
this clip MOTM (except the voice) and no physical modeling (no Synthtech
delay, right?) then Paul S., send me a portion of humble pie with my next
order. I declare Eldhart dethroned and "The Masked Duduk Synthesist" the new
King of Imatative Synthesis.<<

I think it takes a bit more than emulating just one instrument to accomplish
that. However he did do a great job at the sound and a convincing
performance of it. It would certainly fool me into thinking I'm hearing some
kind of real acoustic instrument.

65 modules seems to possibly imply additive synthesis possibly. Not the most
effecient way to go about it though. Or perhaps he has a 65 module system as
opposed to the patch using 65 modules. A similar mistake was made when
quoting me once.

-Elhardt