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Re: MOTM Addiction

2003-07-02 by paulhaneberg

My cabinet is way too big and almost full (170U)
I'm not bragging, but trying to figure out what direction to go in.  
I'll probably switch to a series of smaller cabinets as this thing 
weighs about 400 lbs.  
I am totally addicted.  And on a number of levels.  I love building 
the modules, I love reading about the designs in Paul's great 
manuals and getting into how they work.  And I love playing around 
and experimenting.  I only wish I had the knowledge to be able to do 
what some of you guys are doing like Mike Marsh, Elhardt and Robert 
Rich.  
It's not the destination, it's the journey, and there's always 
something else to learn and to try.
It's definitely an obsession and as long as Paul keeps designing 
them I'll keep buying.
And a big thanks to the stooges as well for helping to support my 
habit.

Re: MOTM Addiction

2003-07-02 by Mike Marsh

Maybe we could start a 'patch journal' of some sort.  I have so much 
more to learn and maybe a little to contribute.

One thing: plug in cables and see what happens.  This is essentially 
how I learned.  I would listen to something that really blew me away 
then think about how I might replicate it with my system.  Usually I 
would fail miserably, but discover something else cool.

The journal could go in the files section with a patch diagram and an 
explanation.

Mike

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "paulhaneberg" <phaneber@o...> wrote:
> My cabinet is way too big and almost full (170U)
> I'm not bragging, but trying to figure out what direction to go 
in.  
> I'll probably switch to a series of smaller cabinets as this thing 
> weighs about 400 lbs.  
> I am totally addicted.  And on a number of levels.  I love building 
> the modules, I love reading about the designs in Paul's great 
> manuals and getting into how they work.  And I love playing around 
> and experimenting.  I only wish I had the knowledge to be able to 
do 
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> what some of you guys are doing like Mike Marsh, Elhardt and Robert 
> Rich.  
> It's not the destination, it's the journey, and there's always 
> something else to learn and to try.
> It's definitely an obsession and as long as Paul keeps designing 
> them I'll keep buying.
> And a big thanks to the stooges as well for helping to support my 
> habit.

Re: [motm] Re: MOTM Addiction

2003-07-02 by Mike Estee

I've always thought it would be nice if one could standardize a 
schematic syntax for modulars. Something for describing topology, not 
so much as an exact sound (tweak the knobs!) I know there's already a 
schematic language for signal processing, and that might be a good 
place to start, but I was hoping for something a little higher level.

Personally I've found a cheap digital camera is the best patch recorder 
out there. I just take a few photo's of the synth in question from 3 
diff angles, name and archive them with a sample MP3 and viola! A saved 
patch.  (Usually I'm too lazy to actually record an MP3 sample...)

--mikes
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On Wednesday, July 2, 2003, at 9:59 AM, Mike Marsh wrote:

> Maybe we could start a 'patch journal' of some sort.  I have so much
> more to learn and maybe a little to contribute.
>
> One thing: plug in cables and see what happens.  This is essentially
> how I learned.  I would listen to something that really blew me away
> then think about how I might replicate it with my system.  Usually I
> would fail miserably, but discover something else cool.
>
> The journal could go in the files section with a patch diagram and an
> explanation.
>
> Mike

RE: [motm] Re: MOTM Addiction

2003-07-02 by Les Mizzell

: I've always thought it would be nice if one
: could standardize a schematic syntax for modulars.

What's wrong with the computer flow-chart like "block diagrams" that's used
in the original Arp 2600 manual?

Audio signals enter sides of the boxes
control signals top/bottom

Just add a little more detail (knob settings) into each module "block" and
there ya go. Works for me anyway...

Re: [motm] Re: MOTM Addiction

2003-07-02 by Mike Estee

Well, nothing much really.

However, It does require one to know about the module in question. I  
don't know diddily about arps and how its specific ADSR works, but I do  
know what an ADSR is. Drawing a box with little knobs seems a little  
too specific. I think a camera works better for that kind of thing than  
drawing pictures. It takes less time too ;)

--mikes
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On Wednesday, July 2, 2003, at 10:13 AM, Les Mizzell wrote:

> : I've always thought it would be nice if one
> : could standardize a schematic syntax for modulars.
>
> What's wrong with the computer flow-chart like "block diagrams" that's  
> used
> in the original Arp 2600 manual?
>
> Audio signals enter sides of the boxes
> control signals top/bottom
>
> Just add a little more detail (knob settings) into each module "block"  
> and
> there ya go. Works for me anyway...
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Re: [motm] Re: MOTM Addiction

2003-07-02 by jwbarlow@aol.com

In a message dated 7/2/2003 10:20:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
lesmizz@... writes:

> What's wrong with the computer flow-chart like "block diagrams" that's used
> in the original Arp 2600 manual?

Talk about serendipity! My ARP 2600 manual post had nothing to do with this 
thread.

Anyway, Peter Grenader (are you still on the MOTM list Peter?) posted this to 
sdiy yesterday (see below). I hope he doesn't mind me posting it here. I 
thought it was a real good point and I wanted to credit him for it. I've mentioned 
in the past I gave up documenting patches a long time ago. I've found that 
most of a patch is not very interesting, while the small novel part of a patch I 
usually will live with for several days to get used to it and have it become 
part of my modular "vocabulary."

John B.

In a message dated 7/1/2003 4:47:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
pgrenader@... writes:
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> Another thing to keep in mind --> what part of the patch is absolutely
> required in order to document it.  For instance, the sonic path may be real
> important - but do you HAVE to jot down whether it's a sequencer or
> arpeggiator controlling the freq of the VCO?  Probably not.
> 
> I've found that limiting documentation to the 'criitical path', it saves a
> lot of time and hassle.

Re: [motm] Re: MOTM Addiction

2003-07-02 by Mike Estee

> Anyway, Peter Grenader (are you still on the MOTM list Peter?) posted 
> this to sdiy yesterday (see below). I hope he doesn't mind me posting 
> it here. I thought it was a real good point and I wanted to credit him 
> for it. I've mentioned in the past I gave up documenting patches a 
> long time ago. I've found that most of a patch is not very 
> interesting, while the small novel part of a patch I usually will live 
> with for several days to get used to it and have it become part of my 
> modular "vocabulary."

Indeed, I've found this to be true too. My first modular was a nord 
modular (and I do mean *was*) As such my interest  is mostly in 
topology: those interesting signal connections that make for the 
potential for unusual sounds and behaviors. Everyone is pretty familiar 
with the VCO->VCF->ADSR subtractive path, but what about other 
interesting paths? I've probably got a lot less experience with 
modulars than most people on this list, and there's very little written 
on the subject.

--mikes

Re: [motm] Re: MOTM Addiction

2003-07-02 by jwbarlow@aol.com

In a message dated 7/2/2003 10:56:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, mikest@... writes:
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Everyone is pretty familiar
with the VCO->VCF->ADSR subtractive path, but what about other
interesting paths? I've probably got a lot less experience with
modulars than most people on this list, and there's very little written
on the subject.


Well, I think the "sound source" through LPF (subtractive path) is very useful for analog EM. I imagine 90% of my patches involve a VCO to a VCF LPF. But I agree that it would be nice to see other complex sound sources and more interesting types of filters (other than LP, BP, HP, notch -- 12dB, 24dB, etc.).

This comes up a lot on this list (in discussions of frequency shifters, the Wave Warper, the MiniWave, and DSP). That said, there is an infinite amount of work that can be done in the area of oscillator and filter modulation in a "basic" subtractive set up.

Some things you might want to try are running audio through a sample and hold -- it becomes a much harsher sound.

Try plugging in a VCO output into it's own inputs. Also try cross modulating two VCOs with one another. The trick when doing this is in the subtlety of adjustment. Also try extreme modulation of a VCF, both VCQ and cutoff.

Once you start getting into this, try adding VCAs in the modulation paths (how about VCFs in the modulation paths). Use the sync inputs of one of the VCOs. With the sync on, use an ADSR or S/H or Lag Processor to change one or the other (or both) VCOs. Try using as many EGs as you can to control the modulation sources, also for PWM. Add S/H and lag processor to control the modulations sources.

Once you get started you're only limited by your imagination!!!

and your wallet
John B.

Re: MOTM Addiction

2003-07-02 by Mike Marsh

Or how about driving the 700 at audio rates - this does some nice 
waveshaping.  There's been some discussion elsewhere about using a 
mixer with different waveshapes on the input.  Hard sync is also an 
entire interesting world of waveshaping.  

I think I'll start the journal rolling by posting a patch that does 
something like granular synthesis.  A one-pager in Word format.  If 
somebody has the ability to convert to PDF, that would be cool.

I'll do it tonight when I get home...

Mike

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, jwbarlow@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 7/2/2003 10:56:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
> mikest@a... writes:
> 
> > Everyone is pretty familiar 
> > with the VCO->VCF->ADSR subtractive path, but what about other 
> > interesting paths? I've probably got a lot less experience with 
> > modulars than most people on this list, and there's very little 
written 
> > on the subject.
> > 
> 
> Well, I think the "sound source" through LPF (subtractive path) is 
very 
> useful for analog EM. I imagine 90% of my patches involve a VCO to 
a VCF LPF. But I 
> agree that it would be nice to see other complex sound sources and 
more 
> interesting types of filters (other than LP, BP, HP, notch -- 12dB, 
24dB, etc.).
> 
>  This comes up a lot on this list (in discussions of frequency 
shifters, the 
> Wave Warper, the MiniWave, and DSP). That said, there is an 
infinite amount of 
> work that can be done in the area of oscillator and filter 
modulation in a 
> "basic" subtractive set up.
> 
> Some things you might want to try are running audio through a 
sample and hold 
> -- it becomes a much harsher sound.
> 
> Try plugging in a VCO output into it's own inputs. Also try cross 
modulating 
> two VCOs with one another. The trick when doing this is in the 
subtlety of 
> adjustment. Also try extreme modulation of a VCF, both VCQ and 
cutoff.
> 
> Once you start getting into this, try adding VCAs in the modulation 
paths 
> (how about VCFs in the modulation paths). Use the sync inputs of 
one of the VCOs. 
> With the sync on, use an ADSR or S/H or Lag Processor to change one 
or the 
> other (or both) VCOs. Try using as many EGs as you can to control 
the modulation 
> sources, also for PWM. Add S/H and lag processor to control the 
modulations 
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> sources.
> 
> Once you get started you're only limited by your imagination!!!
> 
> and your wallet
> John B.

Re: MOTM Addiction

2003-07-02 by paulhaneberg

One idea I've been tossing around for some time is to try to write 
some sort of guidebook on modular synthesis.  
I have a friend who is a published author who has been giving me 
tips on the mechanics of getting a book published.  I'd like to do 
something of a collaborative nature with sections devoted to the 
operations of individual modules as well as a large section based on 
creative patching.  Ideally I would like to include a CD with a 
large variety of samples as well.
The major problem I see with doing this is the limitations of my own 
knowledge and experience.  Although I'm very well versed in the 
physics, math and electronics of synthesis, most of my musical 
experience has been in styles other than electronic music.  I'm 
classically trained as a musician and consider myself a prog 
rocker.  I have a somewhat rigid outlook when it comes to creating 
sounds.
I would like to have a section on patches that just morph and mutate 
on their own for instance, but this is largely outside of my 
experience.  
I would like to hear from some of the other listmembers about what 
they think about this and whether they would be willing to 
contribute patches and sound samples.  I'm willing to share credit 
and royalties (if there are any.)
I am familiar with most of the books available and have found most 
of them to be either lacking in general or devoted to specific 
synths.
I think it can be done better.

Re: [motm] Re: MOTM Addiction

2003-07-02 by Mike Estee

That's a good idea. Most books on audio synthesis start at "what's a  
synthesizer" or are thinly veiled manual's for some manufacturers  
synth. I was fantasizing this afternoon about a book where each chapter  
was a sound (for example: doppler train effect, explosion, flute) and  
the chapter broke down the start to finish construction of a patch. it  
would come with an audio CD that would have a bunch of tracks on it,  
one could pop the CD in a player and when prompted in the book hit play  
for "fig 3: noise", etc.

I like this idea a lot, and wouldn't mind contributing either. I come  
from the modern electronic psychedelia back ground. We're all about  
morphing, non-conventional sounds out here. I personally thing this  
book would best be realized if it covers multiple axis of synthesis.  A  
section on recreating realistic sounds, a section on sound effects,  
etc.
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On Wednesday, July 2, 2003, at 1:42 PM, paulhaneberg wrote:

> One idea I've been tossing around for some time is to try to write
> some sort of guidebook on modular synthesis.
> I have a friend who is a published author who has been giving me
> tips on the mechanics of getting a book published.  I'd like to do
> something of a collaborative nature with sections devoted to the
> operations of individual modules as well as a large section based on
> creative patching.  Ideally I would like to include a CD with a
> large variety of samples as well.
> The major problem I see with doing this is the limitations of my own
> knowledge and experience.  Although I'm very well versed in the
> physics, math and electronics of synthesis, most of my musical
> experience has been in styles other than electronic music.  I'm
> classically trained as a musician and consider myself a prog
> rocker.  I have a somewhat rigid outlook when it comes to creating
> sounds.
> I would like to have a section on patches that just morph and mutate
> on their own for instance, but this is largely outside of my
> experience.
> I would like to hear from some of the other listmembers about what
> they think about this and whether they would be willing to
> contribute patches and sound samples.  I'm willing to share credit
> and royalties (if there are any.)
> I am familiar with most of the books available and have found most
> of them to be either lacking in general or devoted to specific
> synths.
> I think it can be done better.
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: [motm] Re: MOTM Addiction

2003-07-02 by Brousseau, Paul E (Paul)

I highly recommend reviewing the last few years of Sound On Sound's "Synthesis Secrets" articles.  They are available free from their website (http://www.sospubs.co.uk/index.htm), except the most recent 3 or 4 issues.  LOTS of good information on creating particular sounds on basic synths (easily extended to modular synths).  True, it's mostly concentrated on recreating traditional instruments (drums, strings, etc.), but great analysis.

--PBr
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From: Mike Estee [mailto:mikest@...]
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To: paulhaneberg
Cc: motm@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [motm] Re: MOTM Addiction


That's a good idea. Most books on audio synthesis start at "what's a  
synthesizer" or are thinly veiled manual's for some manufacturers  
synth. I was fantasizing this afternoon about a book where each chapter  
was a sound (for example: doppler train effect, explosion, flute) and  
the chapter broke down the start to finish construction of a patch. it  
would come with an audio CD that would have a bunch of tracks on it,  
one could pop the CD in a player and when prompted in the book hit play  
for "fig 3: noise", etc.

RE: [motm] Re: MOTM Addiction

2003-07-02 by John Loffink

Get the Allen Strange book, 2nd edition.  It would be hard to top this
one.

John Loffink
jloffink@... 

The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com/

The Wavemakers Modular and Integrated Synthesizer Web Site
http://www.wavemakers-synth.com/

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Estee [mailto:mikest@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 4:46 PM
> To: paulhaneberg
> Cc: motm@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [motm] Re: MOTM Addiction
> 
> That's a good idea. Most books on audio synthesis start at "what's a
> synthesizer" or are thinly veiled manual's for some manufacturers
> synth. I was fantasizing this afternoon about a book where each
chapter
> was a sound (for example: doppler train effect, explosion, flute) and
> the chapter broke down the start to finish construction of a patch. it
> would come with an audio CD that would have a bunch of tracks on it,
> one could pop the CD in a player and when prompted in the book hit
play
> for "fig 3: noise", etc.
> 
> I like this idea a lot, and wouldn't mind contributing either. I come
> from the modern electronic psychedelia back ground. We're all about
> morphing, non-conventional sounds out here. I personally thing this
> book would best be realized if it covers multiple axis of synthesis.
A
> section on recreating realistic sounds, a section on sound effects,
> etc.
> 
> On Wednesday, July 2, 2003, at 1:42 PM, paulhaneberg wrote:
> 
> > One idea I've been tossing around for some time is to try to write
> > some sort of guidebook on modular synthesis.
> > I have a friend who is a published author who has been giving me
> > tips on the mechanics of getting a book published.  I'd like to do
> > something of a collaborative nature with sections devoted to the
> > operations of individual modules as well as a large section based on
> > creative patching.  Ideally I would like to include a CD with a
> > large variety of samples as well.
> > The major problem I see with doing this is the limitations of my own
> > knowledge and experience.  Although I'm very well versed in the
> > physics, math and electronics of synthesis, most of my musical
> > experience has been in styles other than electronic music.  I'm
> > classically trained as a musician and consider myself a prog
> > rocker.  I have a somewhat rigid outlook when it comes to creating
> > sounds.
> > I would like to have a section on patches that just morph and mutate
> > on their own for instance, but this is largely outside of my
> > experience.
> > I would like to hear from some of the other listmembers about what
> > they think about this and whether they would be willing to
> > contribute patches and sound samples.  I'm willing to share credit
> > and royalties (if there are any.)
> > I am familiar with most of the books available and have found most
> > of them to be either lacking in general or devoted to specific
> > synths.
> > I think it can be done better.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [motm] Re: MOTM Addiction

2003-07-02 by jwbarlow@aol.com

In a message dated 7/2/2003 2:48:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
mikest@... writes:

> I was fantasizing this afternoon about a book where each chapter  
> was a sound (for example: doppler train effect, explosion, flute) and  
> the chapter broke down the start to finish construction of a patch. it  
> would come with an audio CD that would have a bunch of tracks on it,  
> one could pop the CD in a player and when prompted in the book hit play  
> for "fig 3: noise", etc.
> 

This is an interesting idea. The down side is the "encyclopedia of patches" 
concept -- this will quickly lead to an Encyclopedia Britanica size book which 
no one would ever look at (let alone write).

What would be really nice would be "An Intermediate to Advanced Users Guide 
to Analog EM Techniques." One that did a lot of work on the conceptual level of 
what modules CAN do beyond how they are typically used. For example, it's 
only recently that I've heard of people plugging the output of a spring reverb 
into its own input for chaotic effects (I think there maybe intervening VCAs or 
attenuators -- I haven't tried to yet, I'm too scared of blowing something 
up). 

I really like the idea of having accompanying audio examples. I remember a 
book I used in an analog EM class about 20 years ago which came with a little 7" 
33 RPM record which had many audio examples. Unfortunately, the book, 
"Synthesis" by Herbert Deutsch, is not very useful as a technical resource.

It is hard for me to imagine how to organize the topics in such a tome (and 
of course maybe it shouldn't be organized but rather just a series of essays). 
I can imagine certain chapters like "How to get interesting attack phase chiff 
sounds", or "42 short thoughts about VCO cross modulation", "1001 things your 
EM instructor told you not to do -- but was wrong!"

All that said, the Alan Strange book is a very good resource. "Electronic 
Music: Systems, Techniques, and Controls" is very much written from a users point 
of view. To avoid the brand specific manual problem which you mentioned, he 
uses many different brands of synth for examples. A great score section at the 
end which shows a bunch of complex patches. These are available in reprint 
(for about $45 to $50).

I'd recommend his book and Hal Chamberlin's "Musical Applications of 
Microprocessors" before the ARP 2600 manual I mentioned earlier. Some people (myself 
included) also like the Roland System 100 manual. I already mentioned the Serge 
manual (I think it's on the web somewhere -- very advanced, great for 
encouraging the weirdness that Serge was made to do, but very Serge specific). I also 
like a book (edited) by Appleton and Perera, "The Development and Practice of 
Electronic Music" -- though only a small section is dedicated to the VC 
synthesizer, it is very good (which was written by Joel Chadabe). 

There were many other books from the 70s that were actually very good 
resources, though most of these books were written as textbooks and had the 
"smorgasbord" problem (i.e., a little bit of history, a little bit of composition, a 
little bit of acoustics, a little bit of electronic theory, a little bit of 
technical usage, etc.). I think you'd have to take those into account too.

Good luck,
John B.

Re: [motm] Re: MOTM Addiction

2003-07-02 by Mike Estee

> What would be really nice would be "An Intermediate to Advanced Users 
> Guide to Analog EM Techniques." One that did a lot of work on the 
> conceptual level of what modules CAN

I see on amazon that two people have used copies for sale:

$357 & $446

Holy crap. Anyone know where I can find a copy of this book that costs 
about $45-50?

Re: [motm] Re: MOTM Addiction

2003-07-02 by Mike Estee

Never mind, found it. (Sorry folks.) Available direct from Allen  
himself...

astrange@...
ISBN 0-87930-275-5

--mikes
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On Wednesday, July 2, 2003, at 4:47 PM, Mike Estee wrote:

>> What would be really nice would be "An Intermediate to Advanced Users
>> Guide to Analog EM Techniques." One that did a lot of work on the
>> conceptual level of what modules CAN
>
> I see on amazon that two people have used copies for sale:
>
> $357 & $446
>
> Holy crap. Anyone know where I can find a copy of this book that costs
> about $45-50?
>
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Re: [motm] Re: MOTM Addiction

2003-07-03 by jwbarlow@aol.com

In a message dated 7/2/2003 4:55:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
mikest@... writes:

> Never mind, found it. (Sorry folks.) Available direct from Allen  
> himself...
> 
> astrange@...
> ISBN 0-87930-275-5
> 


I'm sure I got mine from the publisher in a print on demand kind of thing. I 
think that the info was posted here about two or three years ago -- I want to 
say that brother Shemp posted it, but I could be wrong.

JB

Re: [motm] Re: MOTM Addiction

2003-07-03 by J. Larry Hendry

Rex at Serge was selling copies at one time.  I got mine there for $25 a
couple of years ago.  However, some of the copying is not the best quality.
Still, it is very readable.
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Never mind, found it. (Sorry folks.) Available direct from Allen
himself...

astrange@...
ISBN 0-87930-275-5

--mikes

On Wednesday, July 2, 2003, at 4:47 PM, Mike Estee wrote:

>> What would be really nice would be "An Intermediate to Advanced Users
>> Guide to Analog EM Techniques." One that did a lot of work on the
>> conceptual level of what modules CAN
>
> I see on amazon that two people have used copies for sale:
>
> $357 & $446
>
> Holy crap. Anyone know where I can find a copy of this book that costs
> about $45-50?
>
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[motm] Re: MOTM Addiction

2003-07-05 by elhardt@att.net

Paul Haneberg writes:
>>One idea I've been tossing around for some time is to try to write some sort 
of guidebook on modular synthesis.  I have a friend who is a published author 
who has been giving me tips on the mechanics of getting a book published.  I'd 
like to do something of a collaborative nature with sections devoted to the 
operations of individual modules as well as a large section based on creative 
patching.  Ideally I would like to include a CD with a large variety of samples 
as well.....I would like to hear from some of the other listmembers about what 
they think about this and whether they would be willing to contribute patches 
and sound samples.  I'm willing to share credit and royalties (if there are 
any.)<<

Actually if you look to Wendy Carlos' (and my imitation) Secrets of Synthesis 
record/CD, that could be another alternative to look into.  It's simple to 
speak into a microphone and record synth examples on the spot.  You get to hear 
the examples as you go rather than read about them first and listen to a 
reference CD later.  CD's are cheap and easy to burn and distribute, and they 
can also contain computer documents and pictures as in Wendy's Box Set.

Mike Estee writes:
>>That's a good idea. Most books on audio synthesis start at "what's a 
synthesizer" or are thinly veiled manual's for some manufacturers synth.<<

That seems like about what I've noticed.  And the one thick book I have that 
covers almost every type of synthesis known to man, only briefly tells you what 
they are and sort of how they work, but doesn't actually show or let you hear 
their use in the real world.  Sure it's nice to know what a phase vocoder or a 
waveguide is, but what are they used for and what do they sound like?

Mike Estee writes:
>>I was fantasizing this afternoon about a book where each chapter was a sound 
(for example: doppler train effect, explosion, flute) and the chapter broke 
down the start to finish construction of a patch.<<

jwbarlow writes:
>>This is an interesting idea. The down side is the "encyclopedia of patches" 
concept -- this will quickly lead to an Encyclopedia Britanica size book which 
no one would ever look at (let alone write).<<

That's true because there is almost no end to something like that.  But it 
could be a little more general.  For instance instead of just showing the 
synthesis of a cymbal crash, it could cover metalic sound synthesis techniques 
in general.  Then again, hearing how a cymbal is synthesized could allow one to 
figure out how to synthesize other related sounds like a gong for instance and 
trigger new ideas in their heads about how to do other things as well.


-Elhardt

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