MOTM

Some people are already asking about panels not on the list.  Yes, there are
some new designs in the works.  I don't have the graphics from Dave Bradley
yet on the new ones.  We will be working that out in the upcoming days.  I
know, for example, that there are upcoming CGS Wave Multiplier and Analog
Shift Register panels.  And, I think the Blacet Binary Zone is on the wish
list.

Anyhow, new panels get on the list by people asking for them.  We don't get
all requests on the list... But, we do what we can.  If you have been
working on a new design with Dave, get with him soon to finalize.  He may be
out of touch for a couple of days on personal business though.  If you don't
see what you are looking for just drop me an e-mail.  As these panels are
added to the list I will make announcements so you can add them to your
order if you wish.

A note on the Blacet Miniwave expander.  Many of you know Dave Hylander did
some PCBs for this.  They support a 9 additional ROMs (total 10) in the
Miniwave with a rotary selector switch.  You can use these with your
existing Stooge panel.  See Dave's website for MINIwave boards here:
http://www.hylander.com/miniwave.html

Here are photos of the thumbwheel switch version on an existing Stooge panel
in case you want to economize and stay with the same panel.
http://www.hylander.com/miniwavethumbs.html

Here is the photo of Dave's proposed expander panel with a rotary switch for
ROM selection:
http://www.hylander.com/images/miniwave/dh-miniwave-expander.jpg

I also have a working prototype PCB that connects to Dave's expander PCB and
adds voltage control to the PROM selection.  It also adds 10 LEDs to show
which ROM is in use.  The control functions use 2 pots and mimics the
current bank and wave selection.  Here is the proposed panel for that panel:
http://www.wiseguysynth.com/larry/panel/dh-miniwave-vc.jpg

Whether we make one or both of these Miniwave Expander panels will depend on
interest from you guys
Larry

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "J. Larry Hendry" <jlarryh@i...> wrote:

> Here is the photo of Dave's proposed expander panel with a rotary 
switch for
> ROM selection:
> http://www.hylander.com/images/miniwave/dh-miniwave-expander.jpg
> 

I have a MiniWave kit waiting for a panel and would be interested in 
getting one that would allow for future expansion.

Dave's panel design looks like it would allow me to use a stock kit 
for now, and then add the additional boards and ROMs if I wanted at a 
later date.

Would this be a sensible approach for people building their first 
Mini-Wave?

Also, can anyone comment on how they are using the additional banks 
on the MiniWave, what ROM's they like, etc?

Thanks!

The MiniWave has got to be the most modded module ever: from Grant to 
John to Dave to Larry.

I have one other request for the MiniWave rev. 4. Rather than have 
rows of LEDs to drill, how about using 7 segment displays for wave, 
bank, and rom? One display for each, using hex notation for waves and 
banks: 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,A,b,C,d,E,F.

At 9:52 AM -0500 2003/05/21, J. Larry Hendry wrote:

>A note on the Blacet Miniwave expander.  Many of you know Dave Hylander did
>some PCBs for this.  They support a 9 additional ROMs (total 10) in the
>Miniwave with a rotary selector switch.  You can use these with your
>existing Stooge panel.  See Dave's website for MINIwave boards here:
>http://www.hylander.com/miniwave.html
>
>Here are photos of the thumbwheel switch version on an existing Stooge panel
>in case you want to economize and stay with the same panel.
>http://www.hylander.com/miniwavethumbs.html
>
>Here is the photo of Dave's proposed expander panel with a rotary switch for
>ROM selection:
>http://www.hylander.com/images/miniwave/dh-miniwave-expander.jpg
>
>I also have a working prototype PCB that connects to Dave's expander PCB and
>adds voltage control to the PROM selection.  It also adds 10 LEDs to show
>which ROM is in use.  The control functions use 2 pots and mimics the
>current bank and wave selection.  Here is the proposed panel for that panel:
>http://www.wiseguysynth.com/larry/panel/dh-miniwave-vc.jpg
>

At 3:39 PM +0000 2003/05/21, elle_webb wrote:
>Dave's panel design looks like it would allow me to use a stock kit
>for now, and then add the additional boards and ROMs if I wanted at a
>later date.
>
>Would this be a sensible approach for people building their first
>Mini-Wave?

The stock MiniWave has a switch to select between two banks of waves, 
but only one ROM is supplied with the kit. Dave's mod replaces the 
switch with a rotary and requires a little rewiring. You could 
certainly use Dave's panel and install a switch in place of the 
rotary to get stock MiniWave functionality. Then later you can drill 
a larger hole for the rotary when you want to add Dave's expander 
board.

>Also, can anyone comment on how they are using the additional banks
>on the MiniWave, what ROM's they like, etc?

I've only used the standard ROM and the Socket Rocket. I use the 
scale quantizer to create random melodies and non-linear transforms 
for voltage controlled waveshaping and distortion. I also have a set 
of Matthew Davidson's ROMs but haven't had a chance to use them yet. 
I expect to use his scale quantizer quite a bit since it greatly 
expands on the scale quantizer that comes with the MiniWave.

Adding hex LED displays is a real problem cost, space and current
consumption wise....

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> Adding hex LED displays is a real problem cost, space and current
> consumption wise....

Not to mention the increase in wiring complexity of a module that already
has quite a few wires flying between the PCB and the panel, if you build it
MOTM-style...

--Adam

----- Original Message -----

From: elle_webb <elle_webb@...>
I have a MiniWave kit waiting for a panel and would be interested in
getting one that would allow for future expansion.

Dave's panel design looks like it would allow me to use a stock kit
for now, and then add the additional boards and ROMs if I wanted at a
later date.


I would recommend the panel that Dave has designed with the 10 position
rotary switch.  This make a lot of sense because most all rotary switches
have adjustable stops.  So, if you have only 2 ROMS now (stock miniwave, you
can set the rotary switch for only 2 positions.  Then when you expand, you
can simply move the adjustable stop to the number of chips installed.  Your
panels graphics are correct in any case.

I agree with Scott; drilling all of the holes sucks!  Almost anything else
would be better.  I personally think the FP should be modified for stnadard
MOTM Lumex LEDs.  These are easier to drill.  Easier to view.  Easier to handle
during assembly.  And much easier to install.  They would also be more
consistent from module to module.

I could also go for the displays as Scott mentioned.  It would definitely be
the easiest way to check the numbers during a performance or recording. 
Otherwise the lights are just fun to look at.

> I have one other request for the MiniWave rev. 4. Rather than have 
> rows of LEDs to drill, how about using 7 segment displays for wave, 
> bank, and rom? One display for each, using hex notation for waves and 
> banks: 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,A,b,C,d,E,F.

--Shemp

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> > Adding hex LED displays is a real problem cost, space and current
> > consumption wise....

Compared to to the final cost of fully MOTM-fying the MW, the cost isn't very
much more.

There is plenty of space on the FP.  A daughter board is fine.  But the FP
could always be modded--I think this is whay you were implying.

Isn't everyone upgrading to 5A (or greater) PSUs as they outgrow their '900s
anyway?  ;-)

> Not to mention the increase in wiring complexity of a module that already
> has quite a few wires flying between the PCB and the panel, if you build it
> MOTM-style...

Flying wires beats drilling and getting LEDs properly seated in my book any
day.  More wires, mean more interactivity to me.  But in this case, there will
be MANY less wires and less soldering.  This mod actually makes it easier.

--Shemp

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If you'd like to see yet another Miniwave panel, check out my FPE
(Schaeffer) design in the files section of the motmpanels Yahoo group.  It
has regular size LEDs and all the pots are on the right side.  The BANK and
WAVE pots are at the top. To their left are 2 rows of 4 LEDs that correspond
to the pots.  It's easy to read the binary number from the 4 bits.  And the
LEDs are adjacent to the knob that controls them.  You could put Lumex LED's
there.

See also my combined panel that puts two Miniwaves in a 3U panel.  I think
it looks pretty cool.  But since I already had bought two separate panels, I
used them and never ordered the 3U one.

BTW, I do like the Stooge MW panel.  It's quite distinctive and stands out
in a synth cabinet.  I built one MW in a Stooge panel and sold it.  (I
wanted two matching ones.)  I did get a bit carried away with the Schaeffer
FPE software.  It is so easy to play with I had a tendency to order too
quickly.  I'm happy to see the Stooge panel process cycle shortened.  Had it
happened sooner I might have had more Stooge panels and fewer Schaeffer's.
Just the luck of timing.  I'm on the Stooge bandwagon this go-round!

-Richard


> I agree with Scott; drilling all of the holes sucks!  Almost anything else
> would be better.  I personally think the FP should be modified for
stnadard
> MOTM Lumex LEDs.  These are easier to drill.  Easier to view.  Easier to
handle

> during assembly.  And much easier to install.  They would also be more
> consistent from module to module.
>

I apologize if I already answered this.  I am trying to get caught up on all
the panel orders and get the new panels on the list.  I will get order
confirmations out soon. Invoices will not come until all ordering is
complete.

If anyone is doing a miniwave as stock now and thinks they may expand later,
I highly recommend the expanded panel designed by Dave Hylander instead of
the stock Miniwave panel.  The only difference is the rotary switch instead
of the A/B switch.  Since you can set a rotary switch for any number of
positions 2 through 12, you can put the stop in for 2 positions now and
change it as you add each new PROM.  The panel graphics are just fine for
expanded and not expanded.  If course, if you never plan to expand, the
stock version will always be available.

Larry Hendry

----- Original Message -----
From: elle_webb <elle_webb@...>
I have a MiniWave kit waiting for a panel and would be interested in getting
one that would allow for future expansion.

Dave's panel design looks like it would allow me to use a stock kit for now,
and then add the additional boards and ROMs if I wanted at a later date.

Would this be a sensible approach for people building their first Mini-Wave?