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2003-03-11 by ivancu@aol.com
http://www.arturia.com/en/modular/comingsoon.html I'm still waiting for the virtual VIC-20 computer... On the other hand, perhaps Paul will succeed so wildly that there will be a virtual MOTM in the future! Ivan
2003-03-11 by KA4HJH
>I'm still waiting for the virtual VIC-20 computer... Here's the Mac version: http://versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=8300&db=mac -- Terry Bowman, KA4HJH "The Mac Doctor"
2003-03-11 by Adam Schabtach
> I'm still waiting for the virtual VIC-20 computer... No need to wait: http://www.auto.tuwien.ac.at/~rlieger/Power20/index.html You can find emulators for most older home computers. Just do a search in versiontracker.com or with Google. --Adam
2003-03-11 by Alan Wagner
OK, I'll bite... I downloaded the demo and checked it out... It sounds nice and the way the patch cords wiggle is really cool... But when you get right down to it playing and Modular synth is a very tactile experience. There's just nothing better than twisting and knob and grabbing a patch cord! Virtual synths no matter how good they sound just can't reproduce that experience with a mouse! I checked out virtual synths before I found MOTM. Once I got my first module it was all over for the virtuals! A.W.
-----Original Message----- From: ivancu@... [mailto:ivancu@...] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:22 AM To: motm@yahoogroups.com Subject: [motm] OT: This just isn't right... http://www.arturia.com/en/modular/comingsoon.html I'm still waiting for the virtual VIC-20 computer... On the other hand, perhaps Paul will succeed so wildly that there will be a virtual MOTM in the future! Ivan Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
2003-03-11 by Mike Marsh
It's funny, I use both. This is coming from a guy that has 35 (just counted) modules in my MOTM rack (MOTM, Oakley, Blacet, Stone, and Cyndustries), plus a few other analogs. Sometimes there *is* no substitute for standing in front of your rack and patching and twiddling. I've done a complete CD with just MOTM and to my ears it is completely fabulous sounding. And my younger brother, who is something of an audiophile, can almost always pick out the digital vs analog parts in a track (I can't!). That said, I like the sound of Vaz Modular *a lot*, and the Oddity is absolutely wonderful, too. Especially in a mix. The Malstrom in Reason is unique and a gas to program and make music with. Most of the software drum machines and sequencers in Reason and Sonar have become indispensible in my music, as is Acid with its huge sample library. The closest I've coming to jamming with Robert Rich is by using his (head and shoulders most interesting and musical of all) Sonic Foundry sample CD 'Liquid Planet'. I did not like the sound of the Arturia model all that much: it sounded a little flat and lacked depth and any unique charater of its own. I'm not that fond of my Nord Modular for the same reason. One more thing: there's no use keepin' 'em seperate - I often use the output of a VS into some of my MOTM to get extra yummies. Mike --- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Wagner" <Aardvark-mi@a...> wrote: > OK, I'll bite... I downloaded the demo and checked it out... It sounds nice > and the way the patch cords wiggle is really cool... But when you get right > down to it playing and Modular synth is a very tactile experience. There's > just nothing better than twisting and knob and grabbing a patch cord! > Virtual synths no matter how good they sound just can't reproduce that > experience with a mouse! I checked out virtual synths before I found MOTM. > Once I got my first module it was all over for the virtuals! > > A.W. > > -----Original Message----- > From: ivancu@a... [mailto:ivancu@a...] > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:22 AM > To: motm@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [motm] OT: This just isn't right... > > http://www.arturia.com/en/modular/comingsoon.html > > I'm still waiting for the virtual VIC-20 computer... > > On the other hand, perhaps Paul will succeed so wildly that there will be a > virtual MOTM in the future! > > Ivan > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
2003-03-12 by Richard Brewster
No matter how good a modular simulation can get, it is not going to be real. At least as far as I'm concerned. One of the reasons I want to have a MOTM modular is because I actually like the patch cord, pot, and switch interface. It is totally concrete and tactile. It is conceptually simple and very reliable. It can't crash and produce a "blue screen of death". I want to get away from the computer (I work all day as a programmer). So much that I balk even at modules that have a microprocessor in them. The Lunatic Fringe, Richard Brewster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Wagner" <Aardvark-mi@...> To: <motm@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:06 PM Subject: RE: [motm] OT: This just isn't right... > OK, I'll bite... I downloaded the demo and checked it out... It sounds nice > and the way the patch cords wiggle is really cool... But when you get right > down to it playing and Modular synth is a very tactile experience. There's > just nothing better than twisting and knob and grabbing a patch cord! > Virtual synths no matter how good they sound just can't reproduce that > experience with a mouse! I checked out virtual synths before I found MOTM. > Once I got my first module it was all over for the virtuals! > > A.W. > > -----Original Message----- > From: ivancu@... [mailto:ivancu@...] > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:22 AM > To: motm@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [motm] OT: This just isn't right... > > http://www.arturia.com/en/modular/comingsoon.html > > I'm still waiting for the virtual VIC-20 computer... > > On the other hand, perhaps Paul will succeed so wildly that there will be a
> virtual MOTM in the future! > > Ivan > >
2003-03-12 by John Loffink
I absolutely agree. Moving knobs and switches around with a mouse does not have the immediacy of a real interface. Mapping software controls to MIDI controllers does not work unless you "dumb" down the controls to whatever is available on the MIDI controller, usually knobs, sliders or buttons. Then you have to add slewing in because of the MIDI 128 level stair stepping, adding to the CPU processing load. Try feedback loops on a software synthesizer. These are virtually guaranteed to give you glitches or program hangs. Some of my best patches on modulars use feedback loops, either for control signals or audio. Anyone who's been into computers over the years understands the fragility and short-lived nature of computer software and hardware. Those VST plugins that work together today may not all survive tomorrow. What happens when XYZ company goes under, or changes their product focus? Suddenly you've got Windows 2010 and half your cherished plugins and soft synths no longer exist. You then need to maintain a system or partition with an older operating system, and eventually older hardware as there won't be new sound card drivers for outmoded OSes. Sometimes just getting the current stuff to work is bad enough. I spent a year getting one of the major software synthesizers to work on my system. I predict that my MOTM modular will have greater longevity than 98% of the software synthesizers out there. If you manage to pick the right 2% - congratulations. John Loffink jloffink@... The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com/ The Wavemakers Modular and Integrated Synthesizer Web Site http://www.wavemakers-synth.com/ > No matter how good a modular simulation can get, it is not going to be > real. > At least as far as I'm concerned. > > One of the reasons I want to have a MOTM modular is because I actually > like > the patch cord, pot, and switch interface. It is totally concrete and > tactile. It is conceptually simple and very reliable. It can't crash and > produce a "blue screen of death". I want to get away from the computer (I > work all day as a programmer). So much that I balk even at modules that > have a microprocessor in them. >
2003-03-12 by Paul Haneberg
The other problem I see with the virtual synths besides the modulation problem is that the controls are all quantized rather than being continuous, that is they all operate in discrete steps. This makes it impossible to smoothly control certain parameters on the fly without introducing artifacts. Perhaps with enough levels, or bits of resolution these artifacts could be minimized, but that takes more horsepower. Even in my ProTools system, which has over 30 DSP chips, I cannot vary certain parameters on the fly without introducing zipper noise. Paul Haneberg
2003-03-12 by Mike Marsh
Yeah, yeah, analog is bitchin'. I know that. I have lots. I love it lots. How about granular synthesis? Harmonic resynthesis? Morphing? All *possible* theoretically in analog (I think) but wonderful in the digital realm. Go here: http://www.symbolicsound.com/. Right tool for the right job, and it ain't always analog. Mike