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For the first time this evening (so may have been going on prior to this
evening) I noticed what I think is "bleed-through" from my 320 into my
300's and 310's.  When I (only) connect a patch cord from one of the
waveform outs on any 300 or 310 into the vca of my 110 (and set the gain
knob slightly above unity to listen), I can hear the 320  modulating the
osc. waveform, and changing the 320's rate knob also  changes the waveform's
modulation rate correspondingly.  It is not very prominent, but
definitely noticable.  All of  these modules are connected to the same 900
power supply.  Any ideas?  FWIW, I only built the 310's.  Same thing
happens when I connect any waveform out to the Blacet mixer/vca, which is
on a different power supply.

Thanks, Jeff

How many modules are connected to your power supply.?  Is this the stock
power supply, or have you upgraded the Power One unit to a higher
current unit?

John Loffink
jloffink@... 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeffrey Pontius [mailto:jpont@...]
> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 7:47 PM
> To: motm@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [motm] 320 bleed-through to 300's?
> 
> For the first time this evening (so may have been going on prior to
this
> evening) I noticed what I think is "bleed-through" from my 320 into my
> 300's and 310's.  When I (only) connect a patch cord from one of the
> waveform outs on any 300 or 310 into the vca of my 110 (and set the
gain
> knob slightly above unity to listen), I can hear the 320  modulating
the
> osc. waveform, and changing the 320's rate knob also  changes the
> waveform's
> modulation rate correspondingly.  It is not very prominent, but
> definitely noticable.  All of  these modules are connected to the same
900
> power supply.  Any ideas?  FWIW, I only built the 310's.  Same thing
> happens when I connect any waveform out to the Blacet mixer/vca, which
is
> on a different power supply.
> 
> Thanks, Jeff
> 
> 
> 
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On Sun, 9 Feb 2003, John Loffink wrote:

> How many modules are connected to your power supply.?  Is this the stock
> power supply, or have you upgraded the Power One unit to a higher
> current unit?
>
Stock 900, with some modules connected to the 900's power connectors and
some modules connected to a 960 distribution board.  16 modules:
820, (2) 310's, (3) 300's, (2) 800's, (1) 320, (1) 440, (1) 410, (1) 110,
(2) Hendry vc shifts, (1) Oakley 410 companion, 830.

It's been some time ago, but I remember computing mAmps used and thought
the sum was easily less than 80% of the 900's max.
Jeff

Your power load sounds okay, but I remember thinking I was okay with
around 20 modules when I started noticing definite power induced side
effects.  You might try unplugging some of the unused modules from the
PS board, particularly some 300/310s and see if this helps.

I have two 320s, a 380 and a 390 all near my VCOs, and powered from the
same PS board.  I could not duplicate this problem.

When you say the 320 modulates the 300 waveform, do you mean the timbre
changes rather than the frequency or amplitude?

John Loffink
jloffink@... 

> On Sun, 9 Feb 2003, John Loffink wrote:
> 
> > How many modules are connected to your power supply.?  Is this the
stock
> > power supply, or have you upgraded the Power One unit to a higher
> > current unit?
> >
> Stock 900, with some modules connected to the 900's power connectors
and
> some modules connected to a 960 distribution board.  16 modules:
> 820, (2) 310's, (3) 300's, (2) 800's, (1) 320, (1) 440, (1) 410, (1)
110,
> (2) Hendry vc shifts, (1) Oakley 410 companion, 830.
> 
> It's been some time ago, but I remember computing mAmps used and
thought

> the sum was easily less than 80% of the 900's max.
> Jeff
>

I think John's on the right track. Try as an experiment, unplugging 
all modules from your power supply except for 1 320, 1 300, and 1 
110. Then try the patch again.

Moe


> How many modules are connected to your power supply.? Is this the 
stock
> power supply, or have you upgraded the Power One unit to a higher
> current unit?
>
Stock 900, with some modules connected to the 900's power connectors 
and
some modules connected to a 960 distribution board. 16 modules:
820, (2) 310's, (3) 300's, (2) 800's, (1) 320, (1) 440, (1) 410, (1) 
110,
(2) Hendry vc shifts, (1) Oakley 410 companion, 830.

It's been some time ago, but I remember computing mAmps used and 
thought
the sum was easily less than 80% of the 900's max.

>
> When you say the 320 modulates the 300 waveform, do you mean the timbre
> changes rather than the frequency or amplitude?
>
Timbre, most noticable on pulse out.  It's not obvious, but noticable if
I listen closely.  The only reason I picked it up was I was checking if I
was getting audio out of my system (so vco -> vca only connection).

Thanks John and Dave. I'll try the "elimination method" when I get a
chance this week.  Do you guys want to know what I find out (if
anything)?.

Jeff

Yes.

John Loffink
jloffink@... 

> Thanks John and Dave. I'll try the "elimination method" when I get a
> chance this week.  Do you guys want to know what I find out (if
> anything)?.

I would think that you're drawing too much current from your PSU. I 
try not to run mine over 60% If you're using multiple supplies you 
might also have a grounding issue. I've got a 5amp supply running 
about 30 modules with zero crosstalk. Also, don't patch together 
audio gear that's running off different legs of your house/studio AC 
supply-that can be disastrous!!!

Good Luck,

Z.

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that I saw the MOTM -600 sequencer in 
action at the recent NAMM show. I was pretty set against buying this 
module since I have 3 SQ10s, but after Paul gave me a demo and I saw 
Robert Rich grooving with it I am convinced it's a winner!



--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Pontius <jpont@k...> wrote:
> For the first time this evening (so may have been going on prior to 
this
> evening) I noticed what I think is "bleed-through" from my 320 into 
my
> 300's and 310's.  When I (only) connect a patch cord from one of the
> waveform outs on any 300 or 310 into the vca of my 110 (and set the 
gain
> knob slightly above unity to listen), I can hear the 320  
modulating the
> osc. waveform, and changing the 320's rate knob also  changes the 
waveform's
> modulation rate correspondingly.  It is not very prominent, but
> definitely noticable.  All of  these modules are connected to the 
same 900
> power supply.  Any ideas?  FWIW, I only built the 310's.  Same thing
> happens when I connect any waveform out to the Blacet mixer/vca, 
which is

> on a different power supply.
> 
> Thanks, Jeff

My first questions would be:

Which modules are connected to the 960 PCB?

And, what kind of wire are you running over to the 960 PCB from the
900?

And, where did you attach that wire to the 900?

If you have used a normal MOTM power supply cable to daisy chain out
from the 900 to the 960 expander PCB, you are asking for this sort of
trouble IMO.

Larry


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A good point.  

John Loffink
jloffink@... 

> My first questions would be:
> 
> Which modules are connected to the 960 PCB?
> 
> And, what kind of wire are you running over to the 960 PCB from the
> 900?
> 
> And, where did you attach that wire to the 900?
> 
> If you have used a normal MOTM power supply cable to daisy chain out
> from the 900 to the 960 expander PCB, you are asking for this sort of
> trouble IMO.
>

On Monday 10 February 2003 05:16, Larry Hendry wrote:
> If you have used a normal MOTM power supply cable to
> daisy chain out from the 900 to the 960 expander PCB, you
> are asking for this sort of trouble IMO.

Just curious Larry, what kind of cable *should* be used then 
for the 960? 

- Robert

On Sun, 9 Feb 2003, Larry Hendry wrote:
> Which modules are connected to the 960 PCB?
> 
All 300's, 310's, 320 (and a few others) are connected to board on the 900
power supply.  I'd have to inspect tonight.

> And, what kind of wire are you running over to the 960 PCB from the
> 900?
> 
> And, where did you attach that wire to the 900?
> 
> If you have used a normal MOTM power supply cable to daisy chain out
> from the 900 to the 960 expander PCB, you are asking for this sort of
> trouble IMO.
> 
Hmmmmm, ... you caught me, Larry.  If I recall accurately, I do have one
of the MOTM p.s. cables connecting the board on the 900 to the 960 board.
What awg do you suggest to run from the faston connectors on the 900 to
the 960?  

Jeff