MOTM

The list is PRIVATE, by invatation only. This prevents it from turning into
a 3-ring circus.

When an order is placed or shipped, I send out that info in a private email.

Paul S.

I *think* that is the way it was setup.... you cant find it in a search 
of groups, but you can join if you got the link.
Is this true? Makes sense for a customer support/feedback group like this.

...jp

J. Larry Hendry wrote:

>How do new people subscribe to the motm list.  When searching motm in yahoo
>groups, our list is not found.  Help me.
>Thanks,
>Larry
>
>
> 
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
>
>  
>

How do new people subscribe to the motm list.  When searching motm in yahoo
groups, our list is not found.  Help me.
Thanks,
Larry

Thanks for the responses.  I think I have this now. :)
Larry (the real stooge)

----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Pavone <fuzztone@...>
To: J. Larry Hendry <jlarryh@...>
Cc: MOTM List <motm@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [motm] What's the deal with the list


I *think* that is the way it was setup.... you cant find it in a search
of groups, but you can join if you got the link.
Is this true? Makes sense for a customer support/feedback group like this.

...jp

J. Larry Hendry wrote:

>How do new people subscribe to the motm list.  When searching motm in yahoo
>groups, our list is not found.  Help me.
>Thanks,
>Larry
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

"New Guy from the desert of Arizona"

As usual, "a thank you" is in order for Larry...  <I am tipping my 
hat> I am on the list... I have ordered 2 of Larry's 822's first 
ironically, and have been a spending fool in the last week buying all 
my bench tools to get going. (just ordered 3200 Xicon resistors 
alone !!!) Mouser is gonna know me by first name basis <chuckle> I 
just haven't decided which modules to order from Paul yet, I was 
going to get the power supply, but after reading Moe's comments about 
large systems, I "know" I will need more. I may start with the MOTM-
800 then an Ultra VCO... dive right in.

  This is a great bunch of individuals... so I will first search the 
archives for some minor problems I am having... <ferrite beads> ??? 
then I will ask questions later...

 One question for Tony K. from Encore... any word on the new 
Expressionist... Zon had mentioned you were designing a new format, 
possible one already in a panel version so we don't have to build 
Moe's breakout panel?
 

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "J. Larry Hendry" <jlarryh@i...> wrote:
> Thanks for the responses.  I think I have this now. :)
> Larry (the real stooge)
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joe Pavone <fuzztone@s...>
> To: J. Larry Hendry <jlarryh@i...>
> Cc: MOTM List <motm@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 9:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [motm] What's the deal with the list
> 
> 
> I *think* that is the way it was setup.... you cant find it in a 
search
> of groups, but you can join if you got the link.
> Is this true? Makes sense for a customer support/feedback group 
like this.
> 
> ...jp
> 
> J. Larry Hendry wrote:
> 
> >How do new people subscribe to the motm list.  When searching motm 
in yahoo
> >groups, our list is not found.  Help me.
> >Thanks,
> >Larry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

> >
> >
> >

On Thursday 06 February 2003 04:43, Paul Schreiber wrote:
> The list is PRIVATE, by invatation only. This prevents it
> from turning into a 3-ring circus.
>
> When an order is placed or shipped, I send out that info
> in a private email.

When I decided to get involved with MOTM, about a year ago,
I found the list on the Yahoo groups and became member
using the standard yahoo interface. No problem at all.

This probably explains some hostile reactions to my
 presence on the list, especially when I explained I still
 don't have any MOTM module (I have 11 on order now, so you
 can sit down again ;). People assumed I'm a troll for some
 reason, while I'm being polite and all, and just wanted to
 learn about MOTM before I buy. And for several reasons
 that first order took longer than expected.

I even got a private email a couple of month ago from a
member telling me to f**k off, just out of the blue. He
apologized after I explained the situation. Looks like the
formula is this:

	list member without MOTM stuff == troll.

So why is this list closed like a fortress?

- Robert

a) If anyone here has an issue with an individual being on this list, they
had better come to ME first, or hope I don't hear about it :(

b) I am overprotective (some say, to a fault) of the postings to the list. I
DO NOT want this list to degrade into junior-high school name-calling,
trolling, etc. Just a reminder: I am NOT the list admin. AND...if you are
NOT, then don't ACT LIKE YOU ARE.

c) Sincere people (as yourself) who politely ask me to join the list, I will
99.9% of the time send you the info to do so.

There are MANY other forums to vent, expound, gripe and tell the world just
how clever/smart/talanted you really are. Just don't do it HERE.

I *like* to think that the people on this list are FAR ABOVE the mindless
ego-blathering on lists such as TGS, AH and to some degree SynthDIY. Please
don't prove me wrong.

Paul S.

Robert,
I very surprised that you had this reaction... I joined the list a little
over a year ago (before I even had my first order) and have been met with a
warm welcome. The people on this list have been gracious and supportive of
all my stupid questions! Please don't let the foolishness of one individual
spoil the benefits of being on this list!

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert van der Kamp (by way of Robert van der Kamp <robnet@...>)
[mailto:robnet@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 2:23 AM
To: motm@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [motm] What's the deal with the list

On Thursday 06 February 2003 04:43, Paul Schreiber wrote:
> The list is PRIVATE, by invatation only. This prevents it
> from turning into a 3-ring circus.
>
> When an order is placed or shipped, I send out that info
> in a private email.

When I decided to get involved with MOTM, about a year ago,
I found the list on the Yahoo groups and became member
using the standard yahoo interface. No problem at all.

This probably explains some hostile reactions to my
 presence on the list, especially when I explained I still
 don't have any MOTM module (I have 11 on order now, so you
 can sit down again ;). People assumed I'm a troll for some
 reason, while I'm being polite and all, and just wanted to
 learn about MOTM before I buy. And for several reasons
 that first order took longer than expected.

I even got a private email a couple of month ago from a
member telling me to f**k off, just out of the blue. He
apologized after I explained the situation. Looks like the
formula is this:

        list member without MOTM stuff == troll.

So why is this list closed like a fortress?

- Robert




Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Paul -

I assume this is in reply to Robert's post. This list is by far the 
most helpful and civil that I subscribe to, so thanks for the 
vigilance.

I had an incident with a then-new list member about 9 months ago, 
where that member emailed me privately and insultingly, in a junior 
high school way.  I haven't interacted with that individual since, 
publicly or privately, but he knows who he is.  I won't give him up, 
but generally those folks eventually do themselves in.

All in all, it's been a real pleasure to ask for stuff and get 
comprehensive answers on the list, and contribute what little I can.

Mike

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@a...> wrote:
> a) If anyone here has an issue with an individual being on this 
list, they
> had better come to ME first, or hope I don't hear about it :(
> 
> b) I am overprotective (some say, to a fault) of the postings to 
the list. I
> DO NOT want this list to degrade into junior-high school name-
calling,
> trolling, etc. Just a reminder: I am NOT the list admin. AND...if 
you are
> NOT, then don't ACT LIKE YOU ARE.
> 
> c) Sincere people (as yourself) who politely ask me to join the 
list, I will
> 99.9% of the time send you the info to do so.
> 
> There are MANY other forums to vent, expound, gripe and tell the 
world just
> how clever/smart/talanted you really are. Just don't do it HERE.
> 
> I *like* to think that the people on this list are FAR ABOVE the 
mindless
> ego-blathering on lists such as TGS, AH and to some degree 
SynthDIY. Please

> don't prove me wrong.
> 
> Paul S.

Well it's coming... After the FS is shipping. You all don't know this,
but I am almost full time on Encore only stuff right now (except for the
construction that's going on here for a new office) so things should
happen on a slightly more predictable schedule. I'm working one a "I'm a
year late on everything" schedule.

Tony

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Moog <moog960seq@...> [mailto:moog960seq@...] 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 11:20 PM
> To: motm@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [motm] Re: What's the deal with the list
> 
> 
> "New Guy from the desert of Arizona"
> 
> As usual, "a thank you" is in order for Larry...  <I am tipping my 
> hat> I am on the list... I have ordered 2 of Larry's 822's first
> ironically, and have been a spending fool in the last week buying all 
> my bench tools to get going. (just ordered 3200 Xicon resistors 
> alone !!!) Mouser is gonna know me by first name basis <chuckle> I 
> just haven't decided which modules to order from Paul yet, I was 
> going to get the power supply, but after reading Moe's comments about 
> large systems, I "know" I will need more. I may start with 
> the MOTM- 800 then an Ultra VCO... dive right in.
> 
>   This is a great bunch of individuals... so I will first search the 
> archives for some minor problems I am having... <ferrite beads> ??? 
> then I will ask questions later...
> 
>  One question for Tony K. from Encore... any word on the new 
> Expressionist... Zon had mentioned you were designing a new format, 
> possible one already in a panel version so we don't have to build 
> Moe's breakout panel?
>  
> 
> --- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "J. Larry Hendry" <jlarryh@i...> wrote:
> > Thanks for the responses.  I think I have this now. :)
> > Larry (the real stooge)
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Joe Pavone <fuzztone@s...>
> > To: J. Larry Hendry <jlarryh@i...>
> > Cc: MOTM List <motm@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 9:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: [motm] What's the deal with the list
> > 
> > 
> > I *think* that is the way it was setup.... you cant find it in a
> search
> > of groups, but you can join if you got the link.
> > Is this true? Makes sense for a customer support/feedback group
> like this.
> > 
> > ...jp
> > 
> > J. Larry Hendry wrote:
> > 
> > >How do new people subscribe to the motm list.  When searching motm
> in yahoo
> > >groups, our list is not found.  Help me.
> > >Thanks,
> > >Larry
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
>

since this is paul's list, i won't ask you to say anything bad about 
the motm midi-cv that's due out, but what's the differences? why 
make a motm format midi-cv when there's already one in the 
works? are there advatages to one over the other? the biggest 
selling point i saw with paul's is the instant availability of velocity 
voltages on the front panel without having to set any controllers 
to specific outputs etc... i currently have an expressionist 
(rackmount) and i love it, but something like what paul is 
proposing, may be more useful for my applications... i guess i'm 
asking for a sales pitch without trashing the motm version, b/c, at 
this point, i'm not sure whether to stay with what i have or update 
to either of the 2 models due out...

-nate

ps: i got all the trimmer info i was looking for on the moog 
source, if anyone needs a copy of what they are, just email me 
and i'll send you a copy... thanks to everyone for the help on that 
one.


--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Tony Karavidas" <tony@e...> 
wrote:
> Well it's coming... After the FS is shipping. You all don't know 
this,
> but I am almost full time on Encore only stuff right now (except 
for the
> construction that's going on here for a new office) so things 
should
> happen on a slightly more predictable schedule. I'm working 
one a "I'm a
> year late on everything" schedule.
> 
> Tony
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Moog <moog960seq@y...> [mailto:moog960seq@y...] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 11:20 PM
> > To: motm@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [motm] Re: What's the deal with the list
> > 
> > 
> > "New Guy from the desert of Arizona"
> > 
> > As usual, "a thank you" is in order for Larry...  <I am tipping 
my 
> > hat> I am on the list... I have ordered 2 of Larry's 822's first
> > ironically, and have been a spending fool in the last week 
buying all 
> > my bench tools to get going. (just ordered 3200 Xicon 
resistors 
> > alone !!!) Mouser is gonna know me by first name basis 
<chuckle> I 
> > just haven't decided which modules to order from Paul yet, I 
was 
> > going to get the power supply, but after reading Moe's 
comments about 
> > large systems, I "know" I will need more. I may start with 
> > the MOTM- 800 then an Ultra VCO... dive right in.
> > 
> >   This is a great bunch of individuals... so I will first search the 
> > archives for some minor problems I am having... <ferrite 
beads> ??? 
> > then I will ask questions later...
> > 
> >  One question for Tony K. from Encore... any word on the new 
> > Expressionist... Zon had mentioned you were designing a 
new format, 
> > possible one already in a panel version so we don't have to 
build 
> > Moe's breakout panel?
> >  
> > 
> > --- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "J. Larry Hendry" 
<jlarryh@i...> wrote:
> > > Thanks for the responses.  I think I have this now. :)
> > > Larry (the real stooge)
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Joe Pavone <fuzztone@s...>
> > > To: J. Larry Hendry <jlarryh@i...>
> > > Cc: MOTM List <motm@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 9:46 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [motm] What's the deal with the list
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I *think* that is the way it was setup.... you cant find it in a
> > search
> > > of groups, but you can join if you got the link.
> > > Is this true? Makes sense for a customer support/feedback 
group
> > like this.
> > > 
> > > ...jp
> > > 
> > > J. Larry Hendry wrote:
> > > 
> > > >How do new people subscribe to the motm list.  When 
searching motm

> > in yahoo
> > > >groups, our list is not found.  Help me.
> > > >Thanks,
> > > >Larry
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> > 
> >

I actually don't know much about the details of Paul's version, but from
our brief discussions, it sounds like my unit will have more features
and have a processor that is quite a bit faster which should translate
to better response. That is just a guess because I don't have ANY
benchmarks for either his or my unit yet. I also planned on a physical
replacement for the first Expressionist, and the internal design for the
MOTM format and the "rack" are nearly identical. (There might be channel
count difference, but no architectural differences. 

Paul decided to do one because mine was taking way too long and he saw a
requirement that needed to be filled. 
So now you'll have two, at two different price points with two different
features sets.

Thanks,
Tony

> -----Original Message-----
> From: etanstudios2000 <nate@...> 
> [mailto:nate@...] 
> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 6:46 AM
> To: motm@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [motm] Re: What's the deal with the list
> 
> 
> since this is paul's list, i won't ask you to say anything bad about 
> the motm midi-cv that's due out, but what's the differences? why 
> make a motm format midi-cv when there's already one in the 
> works? are there advatages to one over the other? the biggest 
> selling point i saw with paul's is the instant availability 
> of velocity 
> voltages on the front panel without having to set any controllers 
> to specific outputs etc... i currently have an expressionist 
> (rackmount) and i love it, but something like what paul is 
> proposing, may be more useful for my applications... i guess i'm 
> asking for a sales pitch without trashing the motm version, b/c, at 
> this point, i'm not sure whether to stay with what i have or update 
> to either of the 2 models due out...
> 
> -nate
> 
> ps: i got all the trimmer info i was looking for on the moog 
> source, if anyone needs a copy of what they are, just email me 
> and i'll send you a copy... thanks to everyone for the help on that 
> one.
> 
> 
> --- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Tony Karavidas" <tony@e...> 
> wrote:
> > Well it's coming... After the FS is shipping. You all don't know
> this,
> > but I am almost full time on Encore only stuff right now (except
> for the
> > construction that's going on here for a new office) so things
> should
> > happen on a slightly more predictable schedule. I'm working
> one a "I'm a
> > year late on everything" schedule.
> > 
> > Tony
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Moog <moog960seq@y...> [mailto:moog960seq@y...]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 11:20 PM
> > > To: motm@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [motm] Re: What's the deal with the list
> > > 
> > > 
> > > "New Guy from the desert of Arizona"
> > > 
> > > As usual, "a thank you" is in order for Larry...  <I am tipping
> my 
> > > hat> I am on the list... I have ordered 2 of Larry's 822's first
> > > ironically, and have been a spending fool in the last week
> buying all 
> > > my bench tools to get going. (just ordered 3200 Xicon
> resistors 
> > > alone !!!) Mouser is gonna know me by first name basis
> <chuckle> I 
> > > just haven't decided which modules to order from Paul yet, I
> was 
> > > going to get the power supply, but after reading Moe's
> comments about 
> > > large systems, I "know" I will need more. I may start with
> > > the MOTM- 800 then an Ultra VCO... dive right in.
> > > 
> > >   This is a great bunch of individuals... so I will first 
> search the
> > > archives for some minor problems I am having... <ferrite 
> beads> ???
> > > then I will ask questions later...
> > > 
> > >  One question for Tony K. from Encore... any word on the new
> > > Expressionist... Zon had mentioned you were designing a 
> new format, 
> > > possible one already in a panel version so we don't have to
> build 
> > > Moe's breakout panel?
> > >  
> > > 
> > > --- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "J. Larry Hendry"
> <jlarryh@i...> wrote:
> > > > Thanks for the responses.  I think I have this now. :) 
> Larry (the 
> > > > real stooge)
> > > > 
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Joe Pavone <fuzztone@s...>
> > > > To: J. Larry Hendry <jlarryh@i...>
> > > > Cc: MOTM List <motm@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 9:46 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [motm] What's the deal with the list
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I *think* that is the way it was setup.... you cant find it in a
> > > search
> > > > of groups, but you can join if you got the link.
> > > > Is this true? Makes sense for a customer support/feedback
> group
> > > like this.
> > > > 
> > > > ...jp
> > > > 
> > > > J. Larry Hendry wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > >How do new people subscribe to the motm list.  When
> searching motm
> > > in yahoo
> > > > >groups, our list is not found.  Help me.
> > > > >Thanks,
> > > > >Larry
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> > > 
> > >
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
>