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Oh, good one Mike.  LOL.. Ahem.
(picturing Rodney Dangerfield tightening his tie...)
If this thread were a rodent crossing the road, you pretty much flattened it.

George
----- Original Message ----- 

From: <mmarsh@...>
To: <groovyshaman@...>
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: freq shifter knob


> I wonder how much a big knob will move if you blow on it?
> 
> Mike
> 
> --- In motm@yahoogroups.com, <groovyshaman@s...> wrote:
> > I think the reason this knob size issue is seemingly endless is 
> because there
> > are so many opinions - ALL of which are valid - and Tony 
> graciously has
> > elicited them.  It is also apparent that the human-synth interface 
> is seen as
> > very important and is something everyone on this list has some 
> experience in,
> > and therefore opinions on.  Oh, and we have this sea of 1" knobs 
> just screaming
> > for a 2" one to set things apart. :)
> > 
> > I (unfortunately) have never had the opportunity to fiddle with 
> one of the
> > "classic" frequency shifters, although I have played with some 
> stomp boxes that
> > did some similar things.  The only thing I can say from this 
> experience is that
> > little knobs suck.  But seriously, I can see a very good reason 
> for a single
> > large knob, as long as it is attached to a TOP quality pot, that 
> would allow
> > both somewhat-accurate small motions as well as the larger wide 
> sweeps.  I
> > think having a fine/coarse setup would be more "clunky" in this 
> regard, but
> > that is just my naive opinion.
> > 
> > So why is it that many of the "classic" frequency shifters that I 
> have seen
> > have the "single large knob" setup?  (or more likely I just 
> haven't seen that
> > many!)  Maybe those of you on the list that have used a freq 
> shifter with a
> > single knob could share your opinions with the rest of us.
> > 
> > George
> > 
> > (don't you love these wacky threads about the size of a knob??)
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <elhardt@a...>
> > To: <motm@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:33 PM
> > Subject: RE: [motm] Re: freq shifter knob
> > 
> > 
> > > John Loffink writes:
> > > >>You're thinking of this as a set it and forget it type 
> setting, which is
> > > just one mode.  The other is real time sweeps, wide ranging but 
> with fine
> > > control.<<
> > >
> > > This knob size issue never seems to end.  I'm not sure why a 
> frequency
> > shifter
> > > needs more precision in adjustment or use than all the other 
> modules in a
> > > synth, especially the osc.  If the damn Bode didn't have a huge 
> knob, nobody
> > > would have ever thought they needed one too.
> > >
> > > As for real-time sweeps but with fine control, that sounds 
> contradictory.
> > >
> > > -Elhardt
> 
>

Maybe there should be a blowing contest for this.

John Loffink
jloffink@... 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: groovyshaman@... [mailto:groovyshaman@...]
> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 12:39 PM
> To: mmarsh@...
> Cc: motm group
> Subject: [motm] Re: [OT] freq shifter knob
> 
> Oh, good one Mike.  LOL.. Ahem.
> (picturing Rodney Dangerfield tightening his tie...)
> If this thread were a rodent crossing the road, you pretty much
flattened
> it.
> 
> George
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <mmarsh@...>
> To: <groovyshaman@...>
> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 1:01 PM
> Subject: Re: freq shifter knob
> 
> 
> > I wonder how much a big knob will move if you blow on it?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > --- In motm@yahoogroups.com, <groovyshaman@s...> wrote:
> > > I think the reason this knob size issue is seemingly endless is
> > because there
> > > are so many opinions - ALL of which are valid - and Tony
> > graciously has
> > > elicited them.  It is also apparent that the human-synth interface
> > is seen as
> > > very important and is something everyone on this list has some
> > experience in,
> > > and therefore opinions on.  Oh, and we have this sea of 1" knobs
> > just screaming
> > > for a 2" one to set things apart. :)
> > >
> > > I (unfortunately) have never had the opportunity to fiddle with
> > one of the
> > > "classic" frequency shifters, although I have played with some
> > stomp boxes that
> > > did some similar things.  The only thing I can say from this
> > experience is that
> > > little knobs suck.  But seriously, I can see a very good reason
> > for a single
> > > large knob, as long as it is attached to a TOP quality pot, that
> > would allow
> > > both somewhat-accurate small motions as well as the larger wide
> > sweeps.  I
> > > think having a fine/coarse setup would be more "clunky" in this
> > regard, but
> > > that is just my naive opinion.
> > >
> > > So why is it that many of the "classic" frequency shifters that I
> > have seen
> > > have the "single large knob" setup?  (or more likely I just
> > haven't seen that
> > > many!)  Maybe those of you on the list that have used a freq
> > shifter with a
> > > single knob could share your opinions with the rest of us.
> > >
> > > George
> > >
> > > (don't you love these wacky threads about the size of a knob??)
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <elhardt@a...>
> > > To: <motm@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:33 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [motm] Re: freq shifter knob
> > >
> > >
> > > > John Loffink writes:
> > > > >>You're thinking of this as a set it and forget it type
> > setting, which is
> > > > just one mode.  The other is real time sweeps, wide ranging but
> > with fine
> > > > control.<<
> > > >
> > > > This knob size issue never seems to end.  I'm not sure why a
> > frequency
> > > shifter
> > > > needs more precision in adjustment or use than all the other
> > modules in a
> > > > synth, especially the osc.  If the damn Bode didn't have a huge
> > knob, nobody
> > > > would have ever thought they needed one too.
> > > >
> > > > As for real-time sweeps but with fine control, that sounds
> > contradictory.
> > > >
> > > > -Elhardt
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Nah, Paul would win for sure!

-----Original Message-----
From: John Loffink
To: groovyshaman@...; mmarsh@...
Cc: 'motm group'
Sent: 1/24/03 4:45 PM
Subject: RE: [motm] Re: [OT] freq shifter knob

Maybe there should be a blowing contest for this.

John Loffink
jloffink@...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: groovyshaman@... [mailto:groovyshaman@...]
> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 12:39 PM
> To: mmarsh@...
> Cc: motm group
> Subject: [motm] Re: [OT] freq shifter knob
>
> Oh, good one Mike. LOL.. Ahem.
> (picturing Rodney Dangerfield tightening his tie...)
> If this thread were a rodent crossing the road, you pretty much
flattened
> it.
>
> George
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 1:01 PM
> Subject: Re: freq shifter knob
>
>
> > I wonder how much a big knob will move if you blow on it?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > --- In motm@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
> > > I think the reason this knob size issue is seemingly endless is
> > because there
> > > are so many opinions - ALL of which are valid - and Tony
> > graciously has
> > > elicited them. It is also apparent that the human-synth interface
> > is seen as
> > > very important and is something everyone on this list has some
> > experience in,
> > > and therefore opinions on. Oh, and we have this sea of 1" knobs
> > just screaming
> > > for a 2" one to set things apart. :)
> > >
> > > I (unfortunately) have never had the opportunity to fiddle with
> > one of the
> > > "classic" frequency shifters, although I have played with some
> > stomp boxes that
> > > did some similar things. The only thing I can say from this
> > experience is that
> > > little knobs suck. But seriously, I can see a very good reason
> > for a single
> > > large knob, as long as it is attached to a TOP quality pot, that
> > would allow
> > > both somewhat-accurate small motions as well as the larger wide
> > sweeps. I
> > > think having a fine/coarse setup would be more "clunky" in this
> > regard, but
> > > that is just my naive opinion.
> > >
> > > So why is it that many of the "classic" frequency shifters that I
> > have seen
> > > have the "single large knob" setup? (or more likely I just
> > haven't seen that
> > > many!) Maybe those of you on the list that have used a freq
> > shifter with a
> > > single knob could share your opinions with the rest of us.
> > >
> > > George
> > >
> > > (don't you love these wacky threads about the size of a knob??)
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From:
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:33 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [motm] Re: freq shifter knob
> > >
> > >
> > > > John Loffink writes:
> > > > >>You're thinking of this as a set it and forget it type
> > setting, which is
> > > > just one mode. The other is real time sweeps, wide ranging but
> > with fine
> > > > control.<<
> > > >
> > > > This knob size issue never seems to end. I'm not sure why a
> > frequency
> > > shifter
> > > > needs more precision in adjustment or use than all the other
> > modules in a
> > > > synth, especially the osc. If the damn Bode didn't have a huge
> > knob, nobody
> > > > would have ever thought they needed one too.
> > > >
> > > > As for real-time sweeps but with fine control, that sounds
> > contradictory.
> > > >
> > > > -Elhardt
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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>

I'm not so sure. :-)
John Loffink
jloffink@... 

-----Original Message-----
From: Marsh, Mike [mailto:mmarsh@...] 
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 6:53 PM
To: 'John Loffink '; 'groovyshaman@... '; Marsh, Mike
Cc: ''motm group' '
Subject: RE: [motm] Re: [OT] freq shifter knob
 
 Nah, Paul would win for sure! 
-----Original Message----- 
From: John Loffink 
To: groovyshaman@...; mmarsh@... 
Cc: 'motm group' 
Sent: 1/24/03 4:45 PM 
Subject: RE: [motm] Re: [OT] freq shifter knob 
Maybe there should be a blowing contest for this. 
John Loffink 
jloffink@... 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: groovyshaman@... [mailto:groovyshaman@...] 
> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 12:39 PM 
> To: mmarsh@... 
> Cc: motm group 
> Subject: [motm] Re: [OT] freq shifter knob 
> 
> Oh, good one Mike.  LOL.. Ahem. 
> (picturing Rodney Dangerfield tightening his tie...) 
> If this thread were a rodent crossing the road, you pretty much 
flattened 
> it. 
> 
> George 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <mmarsh@...> 
> To: <groovyshaman@...> 
> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 1:01 PM 
> Subject: Re: freq shifter knob 
> 
> 
> > I wonder how much a big knob will move if you blow on it? 
> > 
> > Mike 
> > 
> > --- In motm@yahoogroups.com, <groovyshaman@s...> wrote: 
> > > I think the reason this knob size issue is seemingly endless is 
> > because there 
> > > are so many opinions - ALL of which are valid - and Tony 
> > graciously has 
> > > elicited them.  It is also apparent that the human-synth interface

> > is seen as 
> > > very important and is something everyone on this list has some 
> > experience in, 
> > > and therefore opinions on.  Oh, and we have this sea of 1" knobs 
> > just screaming 
> > > for a 2" one to set things apart. :) 
> > > 
> > > I (unfortunately) have never had the opportunity to fiddle with 
> > one of the 
> > > "classic" frequency shifters, although I have played with some 
> > stomp boxes that 
> > > did some similar things.  The only thing I can say from this 
> > experience is that 
> > > little knobs suck.  But seriously, I can see a very good reason 
> > for a single 
> > > large knob, as long as it is attached to a TOP quality pot, that 
> > would allow 
> > > both somewhat-accurate small motions as well as the larger wide 
> > sweeps.  I 
> > > think having a fine/coarse setup would be more "clunky" in this 
> > regard, but 
> > > that is just my naive opinion. 
> > > 
> > > So why is it that many of the "classic" frequency shifters that I 
> > have seen 
> > > have the "single large knob" setup?  (or more likely I just 
> > haven't seen that 
> > > many!)  Maybe those of you on the list that have used a freq 
> > shifter with a 
> > > single knob could share your opinions with the rest of us. 
> > > 
> > > George 
> > > 
> > > (don't you love these wacky threads about the size of a knob??) 
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: <elhardt@a...> 
> > > To: <motm@yahoogroups.com> 
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:33 PM 
> > > Subject: RE: [motm] Re: freq shifter knob 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > John Loffink writes: 
> > > > >>You're thinking of this as a set it and forget it type 
> > setting, which is 
> > > > just one mode.  The other is real time sweeps, wide ranging but 
> > with fine 
> > > > control.<< 
> > > > 
> > > > This knob size issue never seems to end.  I'm not sure why a 
> > frequency 
> > > shifter 
> > > > needs more precision in adjustment or use than all the other 
> > modules in a 
> > > > synth, especially the osc.  If the damn Bode didn't have a huge 
> > knob, nobody 
> > > > would have ever thought they needed one too. 
> > > > 
> > > > As for real-time sweeps but with fine control, that sounds 
> > contradictory. 
> > > > 
> > > > -Elhardt 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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