MOTM

Everyone copies Moog filters, why can't they copy the Moog/Bode 
frequency shifter?

Is it is so good, and sells for so much, why doesn't someone just 
clone it? Maybe one of the motm crew could make a clone (Paul?).

Thanks,
Simon
Canberra
AUSTRALIA

>  >What's up with frequency shifters, why do they cost so much, who makes
>>a good frequency shifter at more reasonable prices, are there good
>>examples online of audio before and after freq'n, why are people so
>>critical of recent frequency shifter implementations?
>
>There's some babble here:
>
>http://www.the-gas-station.com/messages.cfm?type=messages&thread_id=50594&lastdays=999
>
>
>The short form is that it's a great piece of audio magic, and it's 
>very easy to do it wrong. "Wrong" being defined has having a load of 
>ugly artifacts. The Moog/Bode has always been considered the best.
>
>There was a good sidebar in SOS a while ago - maybe a year ago or 
>more - discussion the differences between a pitch shifter and a 
>frequency shifter. But MC pretty much summarizes it in the TGS 
>thread above.

> Is it is so good, and sells for so much, why doesn't someone just
> clone it? Maybe one of the motm crew could make a clone (Paul?).

Encore Electronic has a design for a *far* superior design. We'll have the prototype in the NAMM
booth.

The Bode design is *awful*: the trimming procedure takes 2 hours, having to adjust *27*
individual trim pots!!

Paul S.

The Bode has already been cloned by Analog Systems.  The RS240 module is 
in production and it does sound great.
Paul is right about all the trim pots  - I have never seen so many in 
one module and don't ever want to have to go through the proceedure.

Like most of us, I look forward to the Encore shifter to start shipping 
- but I'm gonna miss that big knob.

...jp

Simon wrote:

>Everyone copies Moog filters, why can't they copy the Moog/Bode 
>frequency shifter?
>
>Is it is so good, and sells for so much, why doesn't someone just 
>clone it? Maybe one of the motm crew could make a clone (Paul?).
>
>Thanks,
>Simon
>Canberra
>AUSTRALIA
>
>  
>
>> >What's up with frequency shifters, why do they cost so much, who makes
>>    
>>
>>>a good frequency shifter at more reasonable prices, are there good
>>>examples online of audio before and after freq'n, why are people so
>>>critical of recent frequency shifter implementations?
>>>      
>>>
>>There's some babble here:
>>
>>http://www.the-gas-station.com/messages.cfm?type=messages&thread_id=50594&lastdays=999
>>
>>
>>The short form is that it's a great piece of audio magic, and it's 
>>very easy to do it wrong. "Wrong" being defined has having a load of 
>>ugly artifacts. The Moog/Bode has always been considered the best.
>>
>>There was a good sidebar in SOS a while ago - maybe a year ago or 
>>more - discussion the differences between a pitch shifter and a 
>>frequency shifter. But MC pretty much summarizes it in the TGS 
>>thread above.
>>    
>>
>
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>
>  
>

It can be done as others have mentioned, but compared to the ladder 
filter, the circuit is VERY complex, expensive, uses hard to find 
parts, and is hard to set up. Most manufacturers today cop out on 
doing it in analog electronics because it's way easier to do 
digitally.

Moe

>>>>
Everyone copies Moog filters, why can't they copy the Moog/Bode 
frequency shifter?
<<<<

On Tuesday 14 January 2003 17:51, "mate_stubb wrote:
> It can be done as others have mentioned, but compared to
> the ladder filter, the circuit is VERY complex,
> expensive, uses hard to find parts, and is hard to set
> up. Most manufacturers today cop out on doing it in
> analog electronics because it's way easier to do
> digitally.

I assume the analog version sounds better, right?

Any audio examples online? 

- Robert

Roger writes:
>>Yes!  A big knob would be great!
Signed, the loudest proponent of different sized knobs<<

Tony writes:
>>It might happen. I'll look into it. If anyone wants to point out a knob
they would like to see, I'll consider it.<<

Assuming the knobs in the picture are the smaller 3/4", just going to the 
normal motm size 1" would be bigger. Even a 1.25" pointer knob won't be too bad 
(though that might defy the rotary switch only convention).  But please don't 
go with some huge thing like the butt ugly AS freq shifter.  The module would 
stick out like hideous sore thumb.

-Elhardt

>Roger writes:
>  >>Yes!  A big knob would be great!
>Signed, the loudest proponent of different sized knobs<<

>Tony writes:
>>>It might happen. I'll look into it. If anyone wants to point out a knob
>they would like to see, I'll consider it.<<

>Assuming the knobs in the picture are the smaller 3/4", just going to the
>normal motm size 1" would be bigger. Even a 1.25" pointer knob won't 
>be too bad
>(though that might defy the rotary switch only convention).  But please don't
>go with some huge thing like the butt ugly AS freq shifter.  The module would
>stick out like hideous sore thumb.

Well, the original Moog Bode knob looks pretty big.

Here is the recent ebay ad with a pic of the big knob...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=936031303


Simon
Canberra
AUSTRALIA

A bit off topic, but:

Ok, so how is Bode supposed to be pronounced anyways? Bohd, Bodie, 
Boday???

Jay

I can answer, having worked with Harald Bode's son, Peer, and having met Mr.
Bode himself.

'Bohd' is close.  It is two syllables: 'BOD' (rhymes with 'abode') - 'uh'.
Accent on the first syllable.

Oh, and Peer rhymes with pear (the fruit).

-Richard Brewster


----- Original Message -----

From: <synthbaron@...>
To: <motm@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 8:05 PM
Subject: [motm] Re: Bode freq on eBay


> A bit off topic, but:
>
> Ok, so how is Bode supposed to be pronounced anyways? Bohd, Bodie,
> Boday???
>
> Jay
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>

Gotta agree with Elhardt here. Anything much larger than the standard 
MOTM knob would be ugly and out of place.

Moe

>>>>
Tony writes:
>>It might happen. I'll look into it. If anyone wants to point out a 
knob
they would like to see, I'll consider it.<<
<<<<

that's the point - the BIG KNOB!

The smoother the better.

...jp




elhardt@... wrote:

>Roger writes:
>  
>
>>>Yes!  A big knob would be great!
>>>      
>>>
>Signed, the loudest proponent of different sized knobs<<
>
>Tony writes:
>  
>
>>>It might happen. I'll look into it. If anyone wants to point out a knob
>>>      
>>>
>they would like to see, I'll consider it.<<
>
>Assuming the knobs in the picture are the smaller 3/4", just going to the 
>normal motm size 1" would be bigger. Even a 1.25" pointer knob won't be too bad 
>(though that might defy the rotary switch only convention).  But please don't 
>go with some huge thing like the butt ugly AS freq shifter.  The module would 
>stick out like hideous sore thumb.
>
>-Elhardt
>
> 
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
>
>  
>

At 2:29 AM +0000 1/16/03, mate_stubb <mate_stubb@...> wrote:
>Gotta agree with Elhardt here. Anything much larger than the standard
>MOTM knob would be ugly and out of place.

I agree, an AS or Moog CE sized knob would be ridiculously ugly. 
Although maybe the slightly bigger round Cosmo knob used on the Mini 
Moog oscillators might work and still agree with the MOTM motif.