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Care and feeding of Weller iron tips?

Care and feeding of Weller iron tips?

2002-05-26 by Adam Schabtach

A question for those of you who have done lots of soldering with Weller
irons: What sort of life expectancy do the tips have? I'm partway through my
eighth MOTM kit and the small conical tip for my Weller seems to be wearing
out. (I've use it somewhat longer than for these eight kits, but not much.)
The first couple of millimeters refuse to wet with solder any longer, and it
doesn't seem to heat up a junction effectively any longer. It looks a little
brownish, and I can't seem to clean it with the usual damp sponge.

Is there any way to revive these tips? I know that you're not supposed to
file them. But it's Saturday night on a three-day weekend, which means I
can't get to the electronics store for a replacement until Tuesday at the
earliest, and here I am almost finished with a 380 Quad LFO...

Thanks--
--Adam

Re: [motm] Care and feeding of Weller iron tips?

2002-05-26 by Scott Evans, Gen Mgr

Adam,

Have you been diligent about keeping the tip "tinned"? This is where you melt a
bit of solder on the tip. It should be done just prior to turning off the iron,
leaving the "tinning" on the tip, and as the iron begins it's heating process. I
also tin during a session when necessary. Short tip life can be attributed to
either using to much heat for the type of tip you are using or leaving the tip
"dry".

Here is a good link on the subject.

http://www.platoproducts.com/howtotin.htm

Scott

Adam Schabtach wrote:
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> A question for those of you who have done lots of soldering with Weller
> irons: What sort of life expectancy do the tips have? I'm partway through my
> eighth MOTM kit and the small conical tip for my Weller seems to be wearing
> out. (I've use it somewhat longer than for these eight kits, but not much.)
> The first couple of millimeters refuse to wet with solder any longer, and it
> doesn't seem to heat up a junction effectively any longer. It looks a little
> brownish, and I can't seem to clean it with the usual damp sponge.
>
> Is there any way to revive these tips? I know that you're not supposed to
> file them. But it's Saturday night on a three-day weekend, which means I
> can't get to the electronics store for a replacement until Tuesday at the
> earliest, and here I am almost finished with a 380 Quad LFO...
>
> Thanks--
> --Adam
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [motm] Care and feeding of Weller iron tips?

2002-05-26 by groovyshaman@snet.net

Hi Adam,

What a bummer!  I would think the tip should last longer than that.  I'm
curious, what model of Weller iron are you using?  I have a temp-controlled
Weller WSD80 and have built quite a few modules over the last 18 months; the
original tip (a fine chisel point) is still going strong.  I usually keep
the temp set around 600-700 depending on the work I'm doing.  I use a bit
more heat for wiring and when using noclean solder.  Are you keeping the tip
tinned at all times?  If I'm working on inserting some parts or something
that doesn't make use of the iron for a few minutes, I put some fresh solder
on the tip.  Then before using it, I give it a quick wipe on the sponge,
then just a bit of re-tinning before soldering the pads.  I also tin the tip
just before shutting off the iron.  This help prevent corrosion.

You could probably lightly sand the tip with a very fine grit and re-tin to
bring it back to life.  After all, waiting until Tuesday to finish an
already in-progress module would induce a bad case of anxiety!

Cheers,
George

----- Original Message -----
From: Adam Schabtach <adam@...>
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Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 12:58 AM
Subject: [motm] Care and feeding of Weller iron tips?


> A question for those of you who have done lots of soldering with Weller
> irons: What sort of life expectancy do the tips have? I'm partway through
my
> eighth MOTM kit and the small conical tip for my Weller seems to be
wearing
> out. (I've use it somewhat longer than for these eight kits, but not
much.)
> The first couple of millimeters refuse to wet with solder any longer, and
it
> doesn't seem to heat up a junction effectively any longer. It looks a
little
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> brownish, and I can't seem to clean it with the usual damp sponge.
>
> Is there any way to revive these tips? I know that you're not supposed to
> file them. But it's Saturday night on a three-day weekend, which means I
> can't get to the electronics store for a replacement until Tuesday at the
> earliest, and here I am almost finished with a 380 Quad LFO...
>
> Thanks--
> --Adam

Re: [motm] Care and feeding of Weller iron tips?

2002-05-26 by Dave Hylander

At 10:58 PM 5/25/2002 -0600, Adam Schabtach wrote:
>A question for those of you who have done lots of soldering with Weller
>irons: What sort of life expectancy do the tips have? I'm partway through my
>eighth MOTM kit and the small conical tip for my Weller seems to be wearing
>out. (I've use it somewhat longer than for these eight kits, but not much.)
>The first couple of millimeters refuse to wet with solder any longer, and it
>doesn't seem to heat up a junction effectively any longer. It looks a little
>brownish, and I can't seem to clean it with the usual damp sponge.
>
>Is there any way to revive these tips? I know that you're not supposed to
>file them. But it's Saturday night on a three-day weekend, which means I
>can't get to the electronics store for a replacement until Tuesday at the
>earliest, and here I am almost finished with a 380 Quad LFO...

I've soldered about 40 MOTM modules with the current tip on my Weller.  I 
keep use it from 650 to 700 depending on the connection.  When it gets a 
bit funky looking I heat it up and clean it with some 3M Scotchbrite, and 
then re-tin.  I use the "no clean" solder to tin.  I could be wrong, but I 
figure if the "organic" (Kester 331) can corrode connections, it could do 
the same to the tip


-dave-

http://www.hylander.com

RE: [motm] Weller alternative... (was: Care and feeding of Weller iron tips?)

2002-05-26 by Tony Karavidas

For anyone that wants a high quality adjustable soldering station that has
much better value than weller (i.e. cheaper) look at this:

https://www.jameco.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prmenbr=91&prrfnbr=
2962&cgrfnbr=501&ctgys=

I've had THE SAME ONE for 15 years and it works like a champ.

I didn't buy it from Jameco, I just happened to notice it there.

Wellers are obviously good, but I rather spend the bigger $$ on Hakko hot
air tools.

Tony

Re: [motm] Care and feeding of Weller iron tips?

2002-05-26 by Adam Schabtach

A big thank-you to the folks who responded to my query about soldering iron
tips. I think that my tip has had its lifespan curtailed for two primary
reasons: 1) I've probably been running it hotter than I need to (more about
this below), 2) I've probably not been as good about keeping it tinned as I
should. I'm careful to check that it's brightly tinned before making a
connection, but not so careful about checking it when I leave it for awhile
or turn it off. Oops.

> Here is a good link on the subject.
> 
> http://www.platoproducts.com/howtotin.htm

Thanks, this his a great link on the subject.
 
> When it gets a 
> bit funky looking I heat it up and clean it with some 3M Scotchbrite,

Is Scotchbrite that green, fibrous scrubby pad stuff?

> I could be wrong, but I
> figure if the "organic" (Kester 331) can corrode connections, it could do
> the same to the tip

I think you're right. This is mentioned on the web page referenced above:
"Some of the major causes of detinning are: ... 4. Lack of flux in the
soldering operation.  Use of no clean fluxes and low-residue fluxes."
Obviously I'm using only no-clean and low-residue solders, from the generous
amounts that Paul supplies with the kits.

> I'm
> curious, what model of Weller iron are you using?

I'm using a WLC 100. This is sort of a baby soldering station--kind of a
glorified iron in a stand. It's got temperature control, but the control
isn't calibrated in degrees, so I don't really know what the operating
temperature is. (Even the manual doesn't say what the temperature range is!)
I discovered recently that I can solder with the temperature at a much lower
setting than I had been using previously. So maybe I've been running the tip
too hot, contributing to its early problems.

> You could probably lightly sand the tip with a very fine grit and re-tin to
> bring it back to life.

I ended up sanding it carefully with a fine file (actually one of those
diamond-grit sharpeners--I have a cheap one in my toolbox that I use as a
file), and then blobbing a whole bunch of rosin-core solder on it, thinking
that the rosin flux might help restore it. It seems to be working pretty
well now--at least well enough that I could finish soldering this module.

> After all, waiting until Tuesday to finish an
> already in-progress module would induce a bad case of anxiety!

Exactly. :-) And I was hoping to do a second -800 this weekend, too.
 
Thanks again, guys. I'll add some sort of summary of all this to my MOTM
project website. Maybe it will save someone else from premature tip balding.

--Adam

Re: [motm] Care and feeding of Weller iron tips?

2002-05-26 by Dave Hylander

At 01:23 PM 5/26/2002 -0600, Adam Schabtach wrote:
>Is Scotchbrite that green, fibrous scrubby pad stuff?

Yes, that is the household variety.  You can also buy it a hardware stores 
in several different levels of abrasive.

Another good soldering guide on the Weller site.
http://www.coopertools.com/literature/weller/55578.pdf


-dave-

http://www.hylander.com

Re: Care and feeding of Weller iron tips?

2002-05-27 by sasami@hotkey.net.au

Do you have a genuine Weller tip? I mad the mistake of buying several second
source tips. These were being pushed as being as good as Weller, and a
recommended replacement by a major hobby chain over here. The @#$% things
only last DAYS. I would expect to get 6 months to 2 years from a genuine
Weller tip. 

Ken
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Re: [motm] Re: Care and feeding of Weller iron tips?

2002-05-27 by Adam Schabtach

> Do you have a genuine Weller tip?

Yes, but thanks for the warning about non-Weller tips.

My tip seems to be working okay after a little bit of filing and a lot of
tinning with rosin-core solder. I wouldn't say that it's good as new, but
it's good enough that I was able to finish the MOTM-380 I was working on,
and then do an entire -800. I think that I may invest the few bucks in a new
tip before I tackle my next module, a -440 filter. Its circuit board is
pretty dense...

--Adam

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