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According to the Blacet site, the Time Machine does "killer flanging".

If John has his ears on....I see that the Time Machine is available again.  Is there any chance we might be able to get a "MOTM version" of this kit?  I'd be in line for at least 2.

-Chris-

>>> Adam Schabtach <adam@studionebula.com> 04/10/02 12:44PM >>>
To do flanging you need a short, varying delay. There are no Synthesis
Technology modules that do this, but I bet the Blacet Time Machine can do
some nice flanging effects.

--Adam

> Thanks for the reply Adam,
>  
> How could we create flange effects with MOTM?

"Killer Flanging"?

It is killer and very useful but I should point out that it is limited
to lower frequencies. A typical flanger would use a 512 or 1024 BBD and
offer delays less than 1mS.

A dedicated flanger module would be nice if I could find a good batch of
BBDs....
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The MTM is nice - kind of a one trick pony - but it's a good trick, I 
think Paul posted some info about this on AH recently. I talked to 
St. Croix many years ago about this and a bunch of other stuff (at 
the time Marshall had just become the US Quantec rep). Anyway, 
he would spew so much info, so fast - I didn't retain much - wish 
I had recorded the conversations. The studio I worked at had 
purchased an MTM from him and we were considering the 
Quantec QXL - we ended up getting an EMT 251 (the Mr. Roboto 
looking reverb) for about $18K (early 80's dollars). Back to 
flanging, my favorite is a voltage-controlled analog tape machine. 
In my case it was pretty easily rigged with an ARP 2600 and an 
MCI JH-110B 1/4" machine - it was mighty sweet.

Barry

--- In motm@y..., "Vehorn, Benjamin" <ben@a...> wrote:
> My favorite flanger is the Marshall Time Modulator. I have never 
heard anything that can touch the sound of this.
> Of course, the dual reel-to-reel option becomes cheaper by the 
day...

> It is killer and very useful but I should point out that it is limited
> to lower frequencies.

That's not necessarily a bad thing...

> A typical flanger would use a 512 or 1024 BBD and
> offer delays less than 1mS.

Actually the delay time in the MXRs I've got goes up to around 5ms or so,
and sweeps back down to a hair above 1ms. I can't remember whether the chips
are 512s or 1024s; it's been awhile since I had the cover off and the 'scope
probes in it.

> A dedicated flanger module would be nice if I could find a good batch of
> BBDs....

Newbie question: what do you use in the Time Machine as the delay element? I
don't have one yet. I've wondered whether you were able to scrounge up a
batch of Reticon chips or something.

--Adam

Here's one I liked for real heavy flanging with all sort of crazy
audible things going on. Take one RS-09 cheesy keyboard from Roland.
Shove its headphone output back into the external input via a MOTM
mixer. This applies feedback to the internal chorus unit. Use another of
the mixer's inputs to feed in your chosen program material. With fine
tweaking on the feedback path, you can get it to scream wonderfully.

This sort of thing will work with most analogue chorus pedals. Its not
strictly flanging, but its very very interesting.

Regards,

Tony Allgood                       Penrith, Cumbria, England

Oakley Sound Systems                     www.oakleysound.com

> > It is killer and very useful but I should point out that it is limited
> > to lower frequencies.
>
> That's not necessarily a bad thing...
>
> > A typical flanger would use a 512 or 1024 BBD and
> > offer delays less than 1mS.
>
> Actually the delay time in the MXRs I've got goes up to around 5ms or so,
> and sweeps back down to a hair above 1ms.

There's a slight misunderstanding: small delay time means sweeping *up*.
With long BBDs you get flanging in the lower range only. For "full range"
flanging you need a short BBD line (like 512 ... 1024 steps), kust as John
said.

JH.

So would that be like accetuating the resonance of the effect with the 
feedback loop? I do this with my tape echo to get the classic dub sounds 
drifting off for days. Good point Tony, I'll have to try it tonight. Wonder 
how this works for filters like the upcoming 480 CS-80 that has been 
described as bland in its overall resonance characteristics?

Thomas White

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>From: "Tony Allgood" <oakley@...>
>Reply-To: "Tony Allgood" <oakley@...>
>To: "MOTM List" <motm@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [motm] MOTM Flanger?
>Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:38:18 +0100
>
>Here's one I liked for real heavy flanging with all sort of crazy
>audible things going on. Take one RS-09 cheesy keyboard from Roland.
>Shove its headphone output back into the external input via a MOTM
>mixer. This applies feedback to the internal chorus unit. Use another of
>the mixer's inputs to feed in your chosen program material. With fine
>tweaking on the feedback path, you can get it to scream wonderfully.
>
>This sort of thing will work with most analogue chorus pedals. Its not
>strictly flanging, but its very very interesting.
>
>Regards,
>
>Tony Allgood                       Penrith, Cumbria, England
>
>Oakley Sound Systems                     www.oakleysound.com
>
>




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I think Crows description of subtle is more accurate.  Besides, I said
Excitingly bland.  It loses meaning with the both words.  :)

Larry H

----- Original Message -----
From: thomas white <djthomaswhite@...>
Wonder how this works for filters like the upcoming
 480 CS-80 that has been described as bland in its
overall resonance characteristics?




Thomas White

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>From: "Tony Allgood" <oakley@...>
>Reply-To: "Tony Allgood" <oakley@...>
>To: "MOTM List" <motm@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [motm] MOTM Flanger?
>Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:38:18 +0100
>
>Here's one I liked for real heavy flanging with all sort of crazy
>audible things going on. Take one RS-09 cheesy keyboard from Roland.
>Shove its headphone output back into the external input via a MOTM
>mixer. This applies feedback to the internal chorus unit. Use another of
>the mixer's inputs to feed in your chosen program material. With fine
>tweaking on the feedback path, you can get it to scream wonderfully.
>
>This sort of thing will work with most analogue chorus pedals. Its not
>strictly flanging, but its very very interesting.
>
>Regards,
>
>Tony Allgood                       Penrith, Cumbria, England
>
>Oakley Sound Systems                     www.oakleysound.com
>
>




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>>> A typical flanger would use a 512 or 1024 BBD and
>>> offer delays less than 1mS.
>> 
>> Actually the delay time in the MXRs I've got goes up to around 5ms or so,
>> and sweeps back down to a hair above 1ms.
> 
> There's a slight misunderstanding: small delay time means sweeping *up*.

Well, it depends on what you mean by "up". I meant "goes up" in the sense of
"increases to". If you mean the perceived pitch movement of a modulated comb
filter (which is what flanging is), then yes, decreasing the delay time
creates the effect of upward pitch movement.

> With long BBDs you get flanging in the lower range only. For "full range"
> flanging you need a short BBD line (like 512 ... 1024 steps), kust as John
> said.

I don't know what you mean by "lower range only" or "full range".

--Adam

Did you get Todd's build instructions?  If not, get them before you 
build.  There are a couple of parts issues that are not clear unless 
you read his doc.

The 410 is a worthy addition to my rack.  Access to the Vactrols in 
the MOTM-410 is a very cool deal.  Plus you get the extra LFOs! 
(Since I don't yet have my Quad LFO, cough, cough).

I would have preferred the suggested layout with the stereo outs, 
and I may still add this, even though the spacing will look funny...

Mike

--- In motm@y..., "Thomas White" <djthomaswhite@h...> wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> I just wanted to drop a big thanks to Larry Hendry for always 
sticking through the whole 410 kit process and for really trying to 
help out the list. I was starting to think the kit would never make 
it, and Todd then came through. Way to go guys! A little late, but 
better late than never. Anybody have any comments on the 410 
addition? I am building mine out tonight and I would appreciate some 
enthusiasm,
> 
> Thomas White

--- In motm@y..., "mmarsh100" <mmarsh@s...> wrote:
> Did you get Todd's build instructions?  If not, get them before you 
> build.  There are a couple of parts issues that are not clear 
unless 
> you read his doc.
> 
> 

There were separate Todd instructions?   I did not get those.  I can 
double check when I get home, but I think I only got the Oakley 
instructions.

Todd, did your instructions come with every kit?

Thanks
Andy

They came in an email.  Check with Todd...

--- In motm@y..., "gooboworks" <andy@g...> wrote:
> --- In motm@y..., "mmarsh100" <mmarsh@s...> wrote:
> > Did you get Todd's build instructions?  If not, get them before 
you 
> > build.  There are a couple of parts issues that are not clear 
> unless 
> > you read his doc.
> > 
> > 
> 
> There were separate Todd instructions?   I did not get those.  I 
can 

> double check when I get home, but I think I only got the Oakley 
> instructions.
> 
> Todd, did your instructions come with every kit?
> 
> Thanks
> Andy