MOTM

hello all,
okay, i've had a mobile phone locking onto a network print to all 24
channels of an analogue tape, but can anyone explain this:

i was working on a remix of a track * on saturday, on my computer, and
recorded some drum loops
when i recorded them all i heard was drum loop - obviously
today i play them back and i get drum loop - spooky voice - drum loop
very very bizarre, so

1) there are only effected vocals on the song, but this is an english voice,
dry (not even a dash of reverb), saying "there hello"

2) at around twice the pitch / tempo of normal speech

3) i wasn't drunk / stoned / etc

4) there was absolutely nothing plugged into the console that this could
come from

5) it wasn't taxi radio style induction as i would have heard it during
recording, and it's far far too clean for that

6) if it was a mobile phone, how could it be at twice the frequency

7) i isolated the section of recording, i can't tell at the start, but at
the end of the interuption the waveform is clipped

8) no one else has keys to my house apart from my girlfriend, and she
wouldn't have a clue how to boot my music computer, never mind alter the
file properties to make it look as though it hadn't been tampered with

9) what the hell is going on..?

cheers
paul b
rather spooked

* and another spooky thing is that when i first heard this band back at the
end of 99, i immediately said they reminded me of fad gadget - whom they'd
never heard of - and i found out today that frank (tovey) died last week

A voice from beyond the grave (oooooo...)

http://www.vtf.de/

datacult has a custom Modcan module (filter?) #13A to work with 
this stuff (seriously). I think the Hafler Trio (Andrew McKenzie) put 
out a recording along these lines, as well.

How 'bout a MOTM Ouija controller?

BOO!

Barry

--- In motm@y..., "sikorsky" <vulture.squadron@s...> wrote:
> hello all,
> okay, i've had a mobile phone locking onto a network print to all 
24
> channels of an analogue tape, but can anyone explain this:
> 
> i was working on a remix of a track * on saturday, on my 
computer, and
> recorded some drum loops
> when i recorded them all i heard was drum loop - obviously
> today i play them back and i get drum loop - spooky voice - 
drum loop
> very very bizarre, so
> 
> 1) there are only effected vocals on the song, but this is an 
english voice,
> dry (not even a dash of reverb), saying "there hello"
> 
> 2) at around twice the pitch / tempo of normal speech
> 
> 3) i wasn't drunk / stoned / etc
> 
> 4) there was absolutely nothing plugged into the console that 
this could
> come from
> 
> 5) it wasn't taxi radio style induction as i would have heard it 
during
> recording, and it's far far too clean for that
> 
> 6) if it was a mobile phone, how could it be at twice the 
frequency
> 
> 7) i isolated the section of recording, i can't tell at the start, but 
at
> the end of the interuption the waveform is clipped
> 
> 8) no one else has keys to my house apart from my girlfriend, 
and she
> wouldn't have a clue how to boot my music computer, never 
mind alter the
> file properties to make it look as though it hadn't been 
tampered with
> 
> 9) what the hell is going on..?
> 
> cheers
> paul b
> rather spooked
> 
> * and another spooky thing is that when i first heard this band 
back at the
> end of 99, i immediately said they reminded me of fad gadget - 
whom they'd
> never heard of - and i found out today that frank (tovey) died last 
week

----- Original Message -----

From: sucrosemusic <sucrosemusic@...>

> it's unlikely, but it could have been a crosslinked file..
> scandisk/whatever your hard drive.

hmm,
never heard of that - i'll check into it
i was running various scan disks over the weekend - it's a 17Gb drive so it
takes about 4 hours each scan, and i could almost believe you...

...but...

...i've never recorded anything like that vocal onto my hard drive

even if it were a crosslinked file, wouldn't the sample rate be comparable -
i mean i've not dug deep into the file yet, but if it were twice the speed,
it would have to have been recorded at 88.2Khz or thereabouts (maybe 96)
this too is an impossibility on my disk

jame randi - do your worst

cheers
paul b
far too spooked to go to bed and running out of kahlua & vodka

----- Original Message -----

From: coyoteous <satori@...>
> datacult has a custom Modcan module (filter?) #13A to work with
> this stuff (seriously). I think the Hafler Trio (Andrew McKenzie) put
> out a recording along these lines, as well.

ah yes - EVP
i was trying not to think along those lines, but anyway, all that EVP stuff
is based on stochastic resonance, whereby very weak signals are amplified
using white noise - not so, this is very different, the signal that the
speech was imbedded in was not constant - it was hihats at 54bpm through a
delay unit - the speech was not modulated by the original material in any
way
i've been banned from working with evp material by my girlfriend - and
anyway, just think of the copyright problems...
...yep, writs from the gravey - great

cheers
paul b

Oh yeah; there is a name for this but I can't recall it. Basically
"ghosts" print directly to audio tape. No one hears it until they play
back the tape. Folks go to cemetaries, haunted houses etc. Typically
heard on Jeff Rense or Art Bell radio shows.

Spaaaaooooooky!

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Blacet Research
http://www.blacet.com

I have heard this explination before. I even tried to see if I could make recordings of the ghosts who inhabited my friend's home several (15 or so) years ago. No, it didnt work. Though another friend with infrared film did get something spooky down. And yes, I/we were drunk/stoned/etc...

I think you do have a ghost who took that moment to say hello. 


In a message dated Mon, 8 Apr 2002 \ufffd7:53:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, John Blacet <blacet@...> writes:

>Oh yeah; there is a name for this but I can't recall it. Basically
>"ghosts" print directly to audio tape. No one hears it until they play
>back the tape. Folks go to cemetaries, haunted houses etc. Typically
>heard on Jeff Rense or Art Bell radio shows.
>
>Spaaaaooooooky!
>
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>___________________
>John Blacet
>Blacet Research
>http://www.blacet.com
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: sucrosemusic <sucrosemusic@...>
>
>>  it's unlikely, but it could have been a crosslinked file..
>>  scandisk/whatever your hard drive.
>
>hmm,
>never heard of that - i'll check into it
>i was running various scan disks over the weekend - it's a 17Gb drive so it
>takes about 4 hours each scan, and i could almost believe you...
>
>...but...
>
>...i've never recorded anything like that vocal onto my hard drive
>
>even if it were a crosslinked file, wouldn't the sample rate be comparable -
>i mean i've not dug deep into the file yet, but if it were twice the speed,
>it would have to have been recorded at 88.2Khz or thereabouts (maybe 96)
>this too is an impossibility on my disk

No, you have it mixed up!

If it was recorded at 22.05 KHz, and played at 44.1 KHz, then it 
would be twice the speed/pitch, as you say it is.


I would put my money on the crosslinked file guess. It might be a 
computer system sound, maybe speech for your OS or an application, or 
something similar. For that sort of use, lower sample rate (and 
sized) audio files are common.


Simon
Canberra
AUSTRALIA

okay,
thanks to those who posted the crosslinked file clues - i was pretty spooked
last night
i'm now pretty convinced i know what happened, but it still doesn't really
add up,
it happened on a separate physical hard drive
no applications have been put on this drive
it was totally re-formatted recently, having previously been a mac formatted
audio drive running purely at 24 bit / 44.1

at this point greetings from beyond the grave would seem more likely - but
the snippet of audio could correspond to something that was on the drive
before

still bizarre...
(bloody computers)
cheers
paul b

>okay,
>thanks to those who posted the crosslinked file clues - i was pretty spooked
>last night
>i'm now pretty convinced i know what happened, but it still doesn't really
>add up,
>it happened on a separate physical hard drive
>no applications have been put on this drive
>it was totally re-formatted recently, having previously been a mac formatted
>audio drive running purely at 24 bit / 44.1
>
>at this point greetings from beyond the grave would seem more likely - but
>the snippet of audio could correspond to something that was on the drive
>before

That sounds likely.

If it was a normal high level format, then it wouldn't have 
zeroed/formatted all the data on the disk, it simply overwrites the 
existing File Allocation Table, any audio data would still be on the 
hard disk.

If the new File Allocation Table gets screwed up and points to some 
old data, then what you describe could easily happen.

It is strange that you say it's a separate hard drive, you say there 
are no applications on this drive, but is this the drive where your 
current song (or audio files) with the strange voice is located.

You should be running a utility to check the file structure of the 
disk before it starts to defrag the drive, for example...on a mac you 
would run Norton Disk Doctor to fix up the file structure before 
running Norton Speed Disk to defragment the drive, I'm not sure what 
utilities to use on Windows.


Simon
Canberra
AUSTRALIA

Somebody mentioned James Randi. Here's an actual applicant for his $1M
"prove you're psychic" prize (yep, she's using EVP via-- no I'm not going
to spoil it, you have to see this for yourself):

http://www.randi.org/jr/030102.html

And you think you got ground loops...

Perhaps Paul could whip up some REALLY alternate controllers for the MOTM
series.  8^D
-- 

Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
"The Mac Doctor"

"You'd PAY to know what you REALLY think"--Dobbs