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Re: [motm] JOYSTICK DIY Information

Re: [motm] JOYSTICK DIY Information

2002-03-11 by J. Larry Hendry

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From: thomas white <djthomaswhite@...>
If I can help in anyway with the construction tips of one
of these for you guys please let me know and I will respond

--LH--
I have helped a couple of guys on the list with some DIY joystick
designs.  To me 1/2 the fun of this whole MOTM experience is the
learning and the satisfaction of doing some of the more simple
things like CV projects on once own.

--TW--
Maybe someday Paul and Larry will offer the official version

--LH--
Paul asked me to build the protp for the MOAJI.  I have been dragging
my feet because it is a later summer release (approximate) and I have
been catching up on building some of my own stuff (and working on some
of my own goodies).  But, it is on the list of stuff to get back on right
away.

--TW--
Or is the Larry design going to come out as an official MOTM controller?

--LH--
Yes, assuming Paul is happy with my work.  In true MOTM fashion, it will
have features not normally fould on sinple joystick interfaces.  So, even
those of use with DIY Joystick interfacses will still want one. :)

Some of the things that have been keeping me busy besides just building my
own stuff:

 - prototype of SKB pop-up case back (goes for metal quotes this week)
 - using up "space for rent" on 830 mixer board (LEDs....)
 - photo albums of 830 and 101 construction (add to website tonight)
 - finishing all docs for 850 breath controller mod (website this week)
 - design and letting of contract for walnut Stooge case (with magic buss)
 - adding tons of new chrome to the Harley for summer fun

Later,
Stooge Larry (quite, but busy)

JOYSTICK DIY Information

2002-03-11 by thomas white

Hello gang,

I have completed my 2 new joystick modules for my MOTM system. They are 
still prototyped silver and I plan to eventually paint them black and 
properly label them with nice black Brother label tape. Sorry if the below 
image is too much for your box, but I only want to share my experience and 
offer help to anyone who wants to build one of these on their own. The 
design is rediculously simple and please understand that I am not an 
engineer and I do not endorse the safety of these designs. I found them on 
the internet and modified them to my liking, specifically with my MOTM 
system in mind. I will share any of my part sources and building tips from 
my own experience with anyone who wants them. Maybe I can put it together as 
a packet of information on a webpage if the response deems it.

Both joysticks were built for $10-$15 dollars each including the front 
panel. Basically sawed a cheap 19" 1u into 2 MOTM 1u's and drilled the 
appropriate holes. Very easy and with paint will look decent enough. The 
silver natural look is great but very easy to scratch as you can sort of see 
in the picture. I have had the IBM model planned forever and actually only 
built it after finding that the Joystick project of Larry's is still on the 
bench for a while. There are 2 in the picture and lets call them A & B. 
Joystick A is on the left with the IBM joystick and Joystick B is the right 
with the panel mounted one. Lets start with A:

Scale Pot for (+/-) 0-15v scale depending on the position of the Joystick. 
This IBM stick has switches on the bottom to make it free-moving or return 
to the center types. I plan to use this mainly as return to center. Each 
axis has a fine pot fed by the dual ganged scale pot. I used dual ganged for 
panel space (I wanted LEDS).
The LED's are Bi-polar per axis and each axis has a Jack for out. The 
Joystick connector is a standard MIDI connector and the cable to the 
joystick a (surprise) MIDI cable with one end cut off and re-wired to the 
pots inside the stick. If you wanted a 7 conductor wire you could easily add 
the 2 trigger switches and jacks in place of panel LEDS or use a larger 
panel for more evrything. Scale pot is like global range and fine per axis 
allows for smaller bend ranges. Very simple, Very Cool! The IBM joysticks 
used to be available at goldmine electronics but they are now sold out. 
Shame, I have one I would be willing to selll to the first person with $5. 
and shipping. Let me know.

Joystick B: This one is much more simple and has the following features. 
Range pot per axis (no fine here but works fine) Switch for polarity, and 
jacks out per axis. Much simpler and can only offer (+) or (-) voltages at 
any given time. Better for me this way since it does not offer a return to 
center feature. I plan to add LED's per axis somewhere above or below the 
panel mounted joystick later. The joystick and metal bat handle is available 
from MECI.com for less than $2.00 .This module was more like $10 and the IBM 
$15.

If I can help in anyway with the construction tips of one of these for you 
guys please let me know and I will respond accordingly. I am not offering to 
build only tell or show you everything I did in detail. Myabe build, how 
much is it worth to you? Take it or leave it.

I am extremely happy with the outcome of my venture and I plan to make more 
of a super joystick in the future with aspects similar to the Panel 
controller available form Wiard for (gasp) $300. For $30 or so in parts that 
seems a little much but then again there is that anodizing that goes on 
there and I have no idea what that costs. It would be nice to cut out the 
voltage and feed any signal through the joystick like a dual attenuator. 
Split a signal and feed it through for joystick controlled pan, CV router 
etc. MOTM benefits greatly from controllers like this due to its ENORMOUS  
array of inputs and outputs for control and especially all the reversing 
attenuators. Maybe someday Paul and Larry will offer the official version 
but for now I am glad I spent the $25 on these 2 projects.

Again I am sorry if the attached image is too much, but most people will 
understand more if they see it. I have images of the back of the panels and 
more panel close up if you want to see, email privately. Would it be 
possible to make a small run of panels for these or a similar group "picked 
over" version? Or is the Larry design going to come out as an official MOTM 
controller? Lets find out, I know some of you must be curious about the old 
wammy potential. Enjoy and regards from a MOTM inspired DIY enthusiast!

Thomas White

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Re: JOYSTICK DIY Information

2002-03-11 by Scott Gibbons

Thomas -

It's not possible to distribute file attachments on this list. You'll need
to upload images to the files section at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/motm/files/

Your joystick sounds cool, I hope you'll post a picture so we can see it :-)

cheers,
- Scott

Re: [motm] Re: JOYSTICK DIY Information

2002-03-11 by Thomas White

I just posted the diy Joystick images up at Yahoo files page. Some of us can't access yahoo because we joined before yahoo took over. Go join MOTM group there and have zero messages sent to you. This way you can avoid a doubling effect in the mailbox.
Thomas White
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From: Tkacs, Ken
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I didn't get Kris' attachment, but we've sent attachments in the past via
this list... I find that much preferable to that file list, which I can
never get into.

Is this some new Yahoo rule...?


-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Gibbons [mailto:scott.gibbons@...]
Sent: Monday, 11 March, 2002 12:10 PM
To: motm@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [motm] Re: JOYSTICK DIY Information

Thomas -

It's not possible to distribute file attachments on this list. You'll need
to upload images to the files section at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/motm/files/

Your joystick sounds cool, I hope you'll post a picture so we can see it :-)

cheers,
- Scott



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Help with sourcing joysticks

2002-03-12 by James Richardson

I've been inspired by Thomas White's joystick designs to try and put
together something along the same lines for my own system.

Unfortunately, it's nigh on impossible to source an affordable joystick
here in the UK.  Tom's source for cheap joysticks, MECI.com, will only
ship internationally for orders in excess of $50 which equates to about
30 joysticks...  The minimum order in the US is $20 (i.e. about 12
joysticks together with the associated aluminium handle)

Would anyone in the US who is perhaps similarly inspired to put together
a joystick controller (and ideally with a PayPal account for ease of
payment) be willing to submit an order to MECI.com and send some
joysticks over to me here in the UK? 

Email privately if able and willing to help.

Thanks
-- 
James Richardson

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