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new encore modules

2002-01-15 by sikorsky

hello all
hello tony - hope you don't mind a bit of feedback on the list, i absolutely
love the idea of the motm format expressionist - this is 6 voice
polyphonic..? but could you split it to say four voice poly and two mono
voices..? this would be a superb function for those of us who are/have set
up a four voice system based around a Roland M184 keyboard and four ultra
VCOs but still have uVCOs to control additional voices / miniwaves..?

i'd like to see a nice black bezel around the display, also does the
software allow you to alter the LCD viewing angle..?

does the unit have a flat PCB like the UEG (as opposed to angled) and does
the configuration allow access to the rear of the midi connectors..? i ask
that last question because i'd possibly want to add a small MTA connector to
the back of the midi in, to connect to the midi distribution buss in the
back of one of my cabinets, then blank off the front connectors - only maybe
though...

can the jacks that have a gate capability be labelled as such..? something
like GCV1, G/CV1, CVG1 etc etc...

finally can i be really insulting and say that i'd like to see a lot smaller
logo if at all..?
it's just my purity of design head,

what does the frequency shifter do, and is there any reason why the pots
can't be set out in MOTM format..? - well apart from you'd have to totally
re-design the pcb too late now isn't it..? so are we witnessing the birth of
the new Encore format..?

also - do you have an idea when these two units will be available..?

cheers
paul b
oh yes - and good luck at namm

RE: [MOTM] new encore modules

2002-01-15 by Les Mizzell

> what does the frequency shifter do, and is there any
> reason why the pots can't be set out in MOTM format..?


I know what it does. I just want to know how WELL it does it. Is it digital?


I don't care if it's digital. A frequency shifter is HELL to build as an
analogue unit, and hell to calibrate.  Really makes more sense to build a
digital frequency shifter instead - less expensive as well.


So, how does it SOUND? Somebody post some audio files!!!!!



Les Mizzell

RE: [motm] new encore modules

2002-01-16 by Tony Karavidas

I think it's great. The design isn't set in stone yet. We're actually paying
very close attention to comments made at NAMM before finalizing these
designs.

As far as the Expressionist 2 goes, the s/w hasn't even been started yet. To
give you a general overview, it's going to have every possible feature the
original Expressionist has + the features slated for the upcoming
Expressionist update + new features which are only suitable for the new
style outputs - features that aren't possible because of the reduced channel
count. HUH!???

I've been planning an update to the Expressionist for something like two
years. Because of the need to actually make money, I haven't done it yet
(actually a version does exist, but it's not a public release) More LFO,
shapes, gate decoupling,  better note history buffers, etc.

That will get worked out on the original Expressionist and release and then
the whole thing will get ported to the new Expressionist. These will
partially occur at the same time.

The new one will only have one polygroup, but it will still be flexible as
the ones in the original Expressionist. Yes, you could assign any 4 voices
to that, and have two "pairs" or 4 independant CVs left of for other stuff.


I'd like to see a bezel too. I'll be looking into them in a month or so.

Yes the PCB is flat behind the metal like the UEG. It's packed with SMD and
there is a jack PCB with a different height (obviously) which attached with
ribbon cables. The three controls are rotary encoders (no more buttons)
which should help in the UI dept.

Added MIDI access from the back is a good idea. I can easily leave a header
or some other accomodation for this for users to "have at it"

Labeling "can" change. I have a line that ties the pairs together. I was
hoping that would be enough of an indicator. Everyone is free to comment on
all of this stuff. I'm listening. This is a proto only, in fact the one at
the show doesn't work yet, but I wanted to finally announce it so people
know what to expect and to allow them time to offer suggestions. The logo
was put there because it was a NAMM unit. I'm not sure exactly how the panel
graphics will end up. With such a tiny market, little companies need every
bit of recognition we can get. Your comment is noted. However, it won't
disappear entirely!

I've come to the conclusion that all Encore MOTM-style units will have small
pots and small knobs. They immediately tell people it's an Encore product
and that's important to me. Well at least until Paul starts using small
knobs!! Besides that, I've got a billion of 'em. I've got two more
MOTM-style products that won't be announced at NAMM (too far out) and each
of them use a lot of knobs.

The frequency shifter:   it...uh...how do I say...shifts frequencies!!
There's lot's of info out there about them. The pots are small because the
board is packed with parts. 6 BIG pots wouldn't fit. I'll be able to offer
you a lot more info when I return from NAMM.

I'm trying to get ready for NAMM so I gotta run. See some of you there!

Tony Karavidas
Encore Electronics

http://www.EncoreElectronics.com

Designers of "The best MIDI to CV converter on the planet." -Keyboard Oct.
1997
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: sikorsky [mailto:vulture.squadron@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 12:13 PM
> To: MOTM List
> Subject: [motm] new encore modules
>
>
> hello all
> hello tony - hope you don't mind a bit of feedback on the list, i
> absolutely
> love the idea of the motm format expressionist - this is 6 voice
> polyphonic..? but could you split it to say four voice poly and two mono
> voices..? this would be a superb function for those of us who are/have set
> up a four voice system based around a Roland M184 keyboard and four ultra
> VCOs but still have uVCOs to control additional voices / miniwaves..?
>
> i'd like to see a nice black bezel around the display, also does the
> software allow you to alter the LCD viewing angle..?
>
> does the unit have a flat PCB like the UEG (as opposed to angled) and does
> the configuration allow access to the rear of the midi connectors..? i ask
> that last question because i'd possibly want to add a small MTA
> connector to
> the back of the midi in, to connect to the midi distribution buss in the
> back of one of my cabinets, then blank off the front connectors -
> only maybe
> though...
>
> can the jacks that have a gate capability be labelled as such..? something
> like GCV1, G/CV1, CVG1 etc etc...
>
> finally can i be really insulting and say that i'd like to see a
> lot smaller
> logo if at all..?
> it's just my purity of design head,
>
> what does the frequency shifter do, and is there any reason why the pots
> can't be set out in MOTM format..? - well apart from you'd have to totally
> re-design the pcb too late now isn't it..? so are we witnessing
> the birth of
> the new Encore format..?
>
> also - do you have an idea when these two units will be available..?
>
> cheers
> paul b
> oh yes - and good luck at namm
>
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: [motm] new encore modules

2002-01-20 by Scott Juskiw

Regarding the new encore modules, WOW, great stuff is coming our way. 
If I could put in my 2 cents...

Frequency Shifter:
Can you put numbers next to the dial tick marks, just to make patch 
annotation a little easier? I find I always have to count the tick 
marks on the UEG when writing down a patch. Maybe it's must some 
dyslexia I have. Can you put a graphic on the large blank space so it 
doesn't look like so barren? Maybe a block diagram view of the module?

Expressionist:
Can you fit this into 2U wide? How about more outputs? I think 12 is 
adequate, but 16 would be better. I don't believe the line between 
two outputs is needed; every output should be able to be a continuous 
CV or gate with a generic name like OUT1...OUT12. I don't have an 
Expressionist so I can't comment on the software side. I use an 
Roland MPU-101 (16 outputs) and would be interested in something that 
offers all the same features:

1. 4 channels (mono or poly grouped) each with pitch CV, dynamics CV, and gate
2. 4 auxiliary outputs (aftertouch, pitch bend, mod wheel, volume)
3. front panel TUNE button (all gates go high, all pitch CVs output 
same value) 4. front panel TUNE knob (semitone flat or sharp)
5. front panel HOLD button for enabling/disabling a sustain pedal
6. front panel CLEAR button to clear any stuck gates (happens when 
midi cables get unplugged accidentally)

Hmmm, maybe with all of these features you'd need a 4U wide module. ;-)

RE: [motm] new encore modules

2002-01-29 by Tony Karavidas

Why? Wouldn't an "active" thru work ok for you?

Tony
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Juskiw [mailto:scott@...]
> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 3:53 PM
> To: Tony Karavidas; MOTM List
> Subject: RE: [motm] new encore modules
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> Oops, forgot something:
> 
> Can you add a MIDI THRU to the Expressionist?
>