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Re: [motm] In appreciation of MOTM design quality

Re: [motm] In appreciation of MOTM design quality

2001-12-10 by The Old Crow

On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, mate_stubb wrote:

> There are some who pooh-pooh the MOTM design philosophy as 'gold-
> plating toothpicks', but apparently sometimes you DO get what you pay
> for.

  I will never understand why essential design practices are glossed over
in favor of economy, then said users of that economy lampoon those
essentials even as the differences become apparent.

  Of course, I am somewhat of an odd bird in that I am a musician (piano
since age 7, competition recitals and all that up through college, not to
mention jazz trombone) who also happened to like electronics enough to
obtain an EE degree.  Thus as an engineer-musician I might have the right
to speak from both sides--though, of course, what I find acceptable may
not be what others fine acceptable, and in no way am I trying to cram my
ideals down anyone else's throat--it is just my personal feeling on the
matter.

  Now, I personally find MOTM's design practices *necessary* toward
achieving an ideal design goal. Of course, compromises have to be made,
but those compromises happen at the abstract level and never at the
practical nut-and-bolts-here-are-the-electrons level.  Hypothetical
example: I would rather know that the circuit board and circuit are
optimally designed for lowest noise and highest stability and lack an
input mixer than know that a mixer can be thrown in at the expense of
plated boards/good noise specs, panel ergonomics, etc.  If this means it
costs more, so be it. Personal peeve: "You don't need sealed pots".  The
hell you don't.  I have cleaned/replaced _thousands_ of flaky panel pots
and open trimmers over the past twenty years because the damned things
weren't sealed.  Guess what I use. :)

  I suppose what I'm saying is I like MOTM because out of the box it lines
up with my personal sense of fitness better than anything else.

  Others' mileage of course may vary.

Crow

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In appreciation of MOTM design quality

2001-12-10 by mate_stubb

Not to start a jihad with the dot commers but...

I've been noticing more and more issues creeping up with dot com 
users, including sequencer output voltages drifting, octave switches 
not calibrated in-tune, power supplies humming, panel flexing, 
keyboard velocity output resolution problems, reports of excess noise 
in filters unless they are relocated...

Now MOTM is not perfect (the 300 soft sync STILL doesn't work as well 
as E-MU's!), but I have NEVER had any issues whatsoever with system 
noise or hum or drift. Ever.

There are some who pooh-pooh the MOTM design philosophy as 'gold-
plating toothpicks', but apparently sometimes you DO get what you pay 
for.

So I just wanted to thank Paul publicly for remaining true to his 
vision (while giving us all a chance to voice our own design 
opinions), and state that I'd rather have a trickle of superb modules 
than a torrent of so-so ones. There. I feel better.

Moe

Re: [motm] In appreciation of MOTM design quality

2001-12-10 by Thomas White

I feel better for you saying it too. (not me for a change) My Ladder VCF from .com doubles as a white noise module when you turn up the resonance. AND I have it far away from all power sources so who knows what it would sound like in a cabinet. My 2 module experience (I have a VCA too that does what it says just fine) has come to the end of the road. Don't get me wrong, ;the VCF does have the moogish qualities as stated, but next to the "Overly Vanilla HA!" MOTM and even my Big Briar MF-101 I notice the noise big time. Another point is that any CV plugged into the module will still effect the frequency even with the attenuators all the way at zero. Anyone ever have this problem with your 440's or 420's? Didn't think so. Bring on the uModules and the big boy dual Moog VCF next year. I have learned the value of holding out and having patience in the meantime. MOTM forever!
Thomas White
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----- Original Message -----
From: mate_stubb
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 10:56 AM
Subject: [motm] In appreciation of MOTM design quality

Not to start a jihad with the dot commers but...

I've been noticing more and more issues creeping up with dot com
users, including sequencer output voltages drifting, octave switches
not calibrated in-tune, power supplies humming, panel flexing,
keyboard velocity output resolution problems, reports of excess noise
in filters unless they are relocated...

Now MOTM is not perfect (the 300 soft sync STILL doesn't work as well
as E-MU's!), but I have NEVER had any issues whatsoever with system
noise or hum or drift. Ever.

There are some who pooh-pooh the MOTM design philosophy as 'gold-
plating toothpicks', but apparently sometimes you DO get what you pay
for.

So I just wanted to thank Paul publicly for remaining true to his
vision (while giving us all a chance to voice our own design
opinions), and state that I'd rather have a trickle of superb modules
than a torrent of so-so ones. There. I feel better.

Moe



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Re: [motm] In appreciation of MOTM design quality

2001-12-10 by mate_stubb

>>>>
I feel better for you saying it too. (not me for a change)  
<<<<

Again, I don't want to start a war with anyone, and it would be rude 
of us to crosspost this to any other mailing list. I only mentioned 
it here amongst friends because it rubbed me wrong to be scorned for 
preferring quality over price. 

Moe

Re: [motm] In appreciation of MOTM design quality

2001-12-10 by jhaible@t-online.de

> Again, I don't want to start a war with anyone, and it would be rude
> of us to crosspost this to any other mailing list. I only mentioned
> it here amongst friends because it rubbed me wrong to be scorned for
> preferring quality over price.

I just smiled when I read the recent mails on AH about modules working or
not working when they are bent out of shape. I won't say nothing, but next
time
someone asks me about the cheap modular brands, I'll suggest to make
an AH archive search on "bent" & "front panels".

JH.

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