MOTM

I would be interested. But the biggest deciding factor for this would be
price. If its expensive then Id rather put the funds towards modules.
Also another factor of considerations is....My pop up case has 1 row
motm, 1 row synth.com, and a patchbay. For me to buy, it would have to
work in that scenario. Making a panel that fits over the whole case
could inhibit the function of the patch bay, im sure others also have
other small rack units in their popup cases as well that might be not
work with a panel that covers the full case. So I would defintaly vote
for 10 spaces, and the cheaper paint because I never see the back
anyways.

matt

-----Original Message-----
From: J. Larry Hendry [mailto:jlarryh@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 11:28 PM
To: MOTM List
Subject: [motm] Yet another useful MOTM compatible product...

Paul had a great idea for you SKB pop up case guys.  Because he is deep
in
modules (like he should be) and getting ready for NAMM, he has agreed to
let
me carry the ball again.  If you don't use SKB pop up cases, save
yourself
some reading time and hit delete now.  :)

So, here is the basic concept.  I would love to have some feedback from
those that are interested in such a product.  I am not a SKB pop up
user, so
your input into the product design is highly valued.  I do however, have
a
SKB case coming my way graciously on loan from a fellow MOTMer so I can
make
sure the prototype fits perfectly.

Here is the idea (once again, Paul's idea, not mine):

A back cover for the MOTM modules so that the backs of the modules are
not
hanging out there unprotected when the case is open.  The cover would
fasten
on from the back.  The screws used to fasten the rack rails would be
longer
so the cover could attach to them from the back.  That way, the cover
could
be snatched off quickly and easily without removing anything from the
front.
It will be made from stainless steel (I learned that from brackets).
So,
without paint it wont rust, but it would be shiny.

So, here are the questions...

How many people would be interested in such a beast?

Would you prefer 12 spaces high to cover the back
of everything or just 10 spaces high to cover the 2
rows of MOTM modules?

What about a top?  Should it have one?  Or, should
it just be two sides and the back with the top open?

If it has a top, should it be removable?  Maybe the
basic back would not have a top, but a top would be
a fasten on option.  You tell me.

I expect most people want a black finish.
There are two options when painting black.
1 - black powdercoat like the rack rails
2 - Black Polane with texture like the front of
     MOTM panels

Option # 1 will give you the most durable finish.
       It will also be the least cost I expect.
Option # 2 will be the prettiest. It will also be
       considerably more expensive.  But, I could
       paint the outside only for option 2 to help cost.

How much, I don't know.  I will have to get the estimates
after I get the prototype built.

What about a big SynthTech logo on the back?
Remember I have no experience with the pop up.
Can you actually see the back when opened?

The logo would be another significant cost adder.
But depending on interest.  I can put the logo on some
and have some without.  Of course, I would have to
consult with the brains of Stooge Panels Inc, Mr. Moe
Bradley concerning the logo.  And, Paul would have to
OK the use of his trademark.

So, let me know of your interest (if any).  I plan to make one for Paul
to
take to NAMM.  If I make any more past that, it will be up to you guys.

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Paul had a great idea for you SKB pop up case guys.  Because he is deep in
modules (like he should be) and getting ready for NAMM, he has agreed to let
me carry the ball again.  If you don't use SKB pop up cases, save yourself
some reading time and hit delete now.  :)

So, here is the basic concept.  I would love to have some feedback from
those that are interested in such a product.  I am not a SKB pop up user, so
your input into the product design is highly valued.  I do however, have a
SKB case coming my way graciously on loan from a fellow MOTMer so I can make
sure the prototype fits perfectly.

Here is the idea (once again, Paul's idea, not mine):

A back cover for the MOTM modules so that the backs of the modules are not
hanging out there unprotected when the case is open.  The cover would fasten
on from the back.  The screws used to fasten the rack rails would be longer
so the cover could attach to them from the back.  That way, the cover could
be snatched off quickly and easily without removing anything from the front.
It will be made from stainless steel (I learned that from brackets).  So,
without paint it wont rust, but it would be shiny.

So, here are the questions...

How many people would be interested in such a beast?

Would you prefer 12 spaces high to cover the back
of everything or just 10 spaces high to cover the 2
rows of MOTM modules?

What about a top?  Should it have one?  Or, should
it just be two sides and the back with the top open?

If it has a top, should it be removable?  Maybe the
basic back would not have a top, but a top would be
a fasten on option.  You tell me.

I expect most people want a black finish.
There are two options when painting black.
1 - black powdercoat like the rack rails
2 - Black Polane with texture like the front of
     MOTM panels

Option # 1 will give you the most durable finish.
       It will also be the least cost I expect.
Option # 2 will be the prettiest. It will also be
       considerably more expensive.  But, I could
       paint the outside only for option 2 to help cost.

How much, I don't know.  I will have to get the estimates
after I get the prototype built.

What about a big SynthTech logo on the back?
Remember I have no experience with the pop up.
Can you actually see the back when opened?

The logo would be another significant cost adder.
But depending on interest.  I can put the logo on some
and have some without.  Of course, I would have to
consult with the brains of Stooge Panels Inc, Mr. Moe
Bradley concerning the logo.  And, Paul would have to
OK the use of his trademark.

So, let me know of your interest (if any).  I plan to make one for Paul to
take to NAMM.  If I make any more past that, it will be up to you guys.

Larry Hendry

Larry,

I would be *very* interested in this not from the SKB perspective but from the
general chassis perspective.  I think a back cover is necessary for a single row.

With only one exception (the Wiard joystick panel), my MOTM is the *only* piece of
rack gear that I own that has exposed circuit boards on the back.  (OK, so I don't
have any rackmounted synth.com stuff).  I believe this is a serious problem for the
longevity of MOTM equipment, as well as a safety isssue.  Now, I know that we can
all cover the backs of our chassis but in a studio rack with other equipment, it
isn't very common to have a back cover.  I'm very concerned about the long term dust
accumulation that can occur on my MOTM modules and they aren't very easy to clean
(at least not like other rack gear).  Other current modular manufacturers offer
complete enclosure of their modules in a chassis, MOTM doesn't.  A simple back cover
for 19" of modules would solve this problem and increase the life of MOTM modules. 
I would take covers like this in stainless steel.  Painting isn't that important in
the back of a rack.  MOTM circuits are designed to last a lifetime, why not the
external mechanicals?

Next question: What holes do you make for the power supply cables?

    Eric


--- "J. Larry Hendry" <jlarryh@...> wrote:
> Paul had a great idea for you SKB pop up case guys.  Because he is deep in
> modules (like he should be) and getting ready for NAMM, he has agreed to let
> me carry the ball again.  If you don't use SKB pop up cases, save yourself
> some reading time and hit delete now.  :)
> 
> So, here is the basic concept.  I would love to have some feedback from
> those that are interested in such a product.  I am not a SKB pop up user, so
> your input into the product design is highly valued.  I do however, have a
> SKB case coming my way graciously on loan from a fellow MOTMer so I can make
> sure the prototype fits perfectly.
> 
> Here is the idea (once again, Paul's idea, not mine):
> 
> A back cover for the MOTM modules so that the backs of the modules are not
> hanging out there unprotected when the case is open.  The cover would fasten
> on from the back.  The screws used to fasten the rack rails would be longer
> so the cover could attach to them from the back.  That way, the cover could
> be snatched off quickly and easily without removing anything from the front.
> It will be made from stainless steel (I learned that from brackets).  So,
> without paint it wont rust, but it would be shiny.
> 
> So, here are the questions...
> 
> How many people would be interested in such a beast?
> 
> Would you prefer 12 spaces high to cover the back
> of everything or just 10 spaces high to cover the 2
> rows of MOTM modules?
> 
> What about a top?  Should it have one?  Or, should
> it just be two sides and the back with the top open?
> 
> If it has a top, should it be removable?  Maybe the
> basic back would not have a top, but a top would be
> a fasten on option.  You tell me.
> 
> I expect most people want a black finish.
> There are two options when painting black.
> 1 - black powdercoat like the rack rails
> 2 - Black Polane with texture like the front of
>      MOTM panels
> 
> Option # 1 will give you the most durable finish.
>        It will also be the least cost I expect.
> Option # 2 will be the prettiest. It will also be
>        considerably more expensive.  But, I could
>        paint the outside only for option 2 to help cost.
> 
> How much, I don't know.  I will have to get the estimates
> after I get the prototype built.
> 
> What about a big SynthTech logo on the back?
> Remember I have no experience with the pop up.
> Can you actually see the back when opened?
> 
> The logo would be another significant cost adder.
> But depending on interest.  I can put the logo on some
> and have some without.  Of course, I would have to
> consult with the brains of Stooge Panels Inc, Mr. Moe
> Bradley concerning the logo.  And, Paul would have to
> OK the use of his trademark.
> 
> So, let me know of your interest (if any).  I plan to make one for Paul to
> take to NAMM.  If I make any more past that, it will be up to you guys.
> 
> Larry Hendry
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
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> 
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, alt-mode wrote:

> I would be *very* interested in this not from the SKB perspective but from the
> general chassis perspective.  I think a back cover is necessary for a single row.

mmm. that would be nice. i'd ask, though, that there be two versions... a
top version and a middle version. the middle version being open on the top
*and* bottom. also something to consider is motm-ized modules from other
manufacturers. for instance, blacet modules have *much* longer pcbs than
do motm modules. if a case/cover would take that into consideration, i
would definitely be interested.

any chance of getting these before 12.12? :) i'm gigging with my
open-backed rack at a *bar*. eek! (i think i'm going to barbed-wire the
synths away from all the drunks though, heh.)

bleep.
out.

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Now I am thinking a universal one that is the height of 1 row might be
best. That way others without the popups could use it too. Personally I
wanted to get this rack
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=011128155836066125093229010853/s
earch/g=home/detail/base_id/37482
But the only thing stopping me, is there is no back. If these covers
were to fit on any rack then my problem would be solved. Having a
universal 1 row high cover would probably generate more interest as
well. Or hell, maybe if there is enough interest, do 2 different
varieties. Limiting the cover to the popup might not generate enough
buyers to be worth while for you do produce it.
My 2 cents
matt

-----Original Message-----
From: J. Larry Hendry [mailto:jlarryh@...] 
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 11:22 AM
To: MOTM List
Subject: Re: [motm] Yet another useful MOTM compatible product...

----- Original Message -----
From: bleeped <bleep@...>
also something to consider is motm-ized modules
from other manufacturers. for instance, blacet modules
have *much* longer pcbs than do motm modules.

--LH--
remember the primary design criteria is that it fit into a pop-up mixer
case.  I don't think any of the Blacet modules fit this format because
of
the big PCBs.  Of course (shameless plug) the JLH-822 module does.  :)

--Bleep--
any chance of getting these before 12.12? :)

--LH--
Sorry.  Absolutely no way.
Larry




 

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On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, J. Larry Hendry wrote:

> remember the primary design criteria is that it fit into a pop-up mixer
> case.  I don't think any of the Blacet modules fit this format because of
> the big PCBs.  Of course (shameless plug) the JLH-822 module does.  :)

oh yeah... that's what i get for getting in on the middle of a thread. and
yeah, blacet pcb's will *not* fit in a popup.

> --Bleep--
> any chance of getting these before 12.12? :)
>
> --LH--
> Sorry.  Absolutely no way.

i was *so* kidding. :)

bleep.
out.

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----- Original Message -----

From: alt-mode <alt_mode@...>
Next question: What holes do you make for the power supply cables?
Eric

My vision is that the bottom will be open so you could bring any cables /
connections in and out.  Making them without a top was my thought too.  That
way, if someone wanted to use them in a rack (as you suggested), you would
only put a "top" on the highest most back.  The top would simply screw onto
the top-most back.  for those that really wanted a bottom, the top would fit
and you could drill any holes you wanted.  I think there are too many
versions of how these are power connected to incorporate that into the back
design.

Please keep the comments coming.  I appreciate each one.
Larry

"I'll buy that for a dollar!" -- Running Man?  Robocop?

I think that's a great idea.  But here's my spin on it... Rather than
make a 10U or 12U size, why not make a 5U size?  (I think this is what
someone else was suggesting as well.)  For an SKB, you'd have to buy
another, but this way you could easily use them in other cases, where
you have maybe 15U of MOTM.

Personally, I'd be happy having them non-painted.  I can paint them
myself.  But I wouldn't complain if there wer bulk-painted with black
powdercoat for a few extra duckets.  I'd skip the logo-- it's cheaper
without and I'll happily blather on about MOTM to anyone who asks
anyway.

Sides would be nice (extra protection!).  Top should be optional, in
that you can fasten one on.  Bottom not necessary.

I don't fully understand how it would be fastened on, though.  You
mentioned longer screws for the rails... are you suggesting that this
guy saddle up on the screws then be nut'ed on from behind?  Or does it
go between the rack and the rails?  (If it's the second, I think it
might need a second thought-- applying the power cords would be somewhat
more difficult.  I like to bolt the module in place, then attach the
power cord from behind.  Less stretching and potential for droppage.)

--PBr, hoping that Santa will make me a SKB pop-up user...

-----Original Message-----
From: J. Larry Hendry [mailto:jlarryh@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 11:28 PM
To: MOTM List
Subject: [motm] Yet another useful MOTM compatible product...


So, here is the basic concept.  I would love to have some feedback from
those that are interested in such a product.  I am not a SKB pop up
user, so
your input into the product design is highly valued.  I do however, have
a
SKB case coming my way graciously on loan from a fellow MOTMer so I can
make
sure the prototype fits perfectly.

Here is the idea (once again, Paul's idea, not mine):

A back cover for the MOTM modules so that the backs of the modules are
not
hanging out there unprotected when the case is open.  The cover would
fasten
on from the back.  The screws used to fasten the rack rails would be
longer
so the cover could attach to them from the back.  That way, the cover
could
be snatched off quickly and easily without removing anything from the
front.
It will be made from stainless steel (I learned that from brackets).
So,
without paint it wont rust, but it would be shiny.

So, here are the questions...

How many people would be interested in such a beast?

Would you prefer 12 spaces high to cover the back
of everything or just 10 spaces high to cover the 2
rows of MOTM modules?

What about a top?  Should it have one?  Or, should
it just be two sides and the back with the top open?

If it has a top, should it be removable?  Maybe the
basic back would not have a top, but a top would be
a fasten on option.  You tell me.

I expect most people want a black finish.
There are two options when painting black.
1 - black powdercoat like the rack rails
2 - Black Polane with texture like the front of
     MOTM panels

Option # 1 will give you the most durable finish.
       It will also be the least cost I expect.
Option # 2 will be the prettiest. It will also be
       considerably more expensive.  But, I could
       paint the outside only for option 2 to help cost.

How much, I don't know.  I will have to get the estimates
after I get the prototype built.

What about a big SynthTech logo on the back?
Remember I have no experience with the pop up.
Can you actually see the back when opened?

The logo would be another significant cost adder.
But depending on interest.  I can put the logo on some
and have some without.  Of course, I would have to
consult with the brains of Stooge Panels Inc, Mr. Moe
Bradley concerning the logo.  And, Paul would have to
OK the use of his trademark.

So, let me know of your interest (if any).  I plan to make one for Paul
to
take to NAMM.  If I make any more past that, it will be up to you guys.

----- Original Message -----

From: bleeped <bleep@...>
also something to consider is motm-ized modules
from other manufacturers. for instance, blacet modules
have *much* longer pcbs than do motm modules.

--LH--
remember the primary design criteria is that it fit into a pop-up mixer
case.  I don't think any of the Blacet modules fit this format because of
the big PCBs.  Of course (shameless plug) the JLH-822 module does.  :)

--Bleep--
any chance of getting these before 12.12? :)

--LH--
Sorry.  Absolutely no way.
Larry

At 1:27 AM -0600 11/29/01, J. Larry Hendry wrote:
>
>Paul had a great idea for you SKB pop up case guys.  Because he is deep in
>modules (like he should be) and getting ready for NAMM, he has agreed to
>>let me carry the ball again.

You sir, are like Jim Brown, Tony Dorsett, and Tiki Barber rolled into one.

Just don't suddenly disappear like Barry Sanders.  If you buy milk in
Michigan, he's on the side of the carton -- it's very sad :)

>Would you prefer 12 spaces high to cover the back
>of everything or just 10 spaces high to cover the 2
>rows of MOTM modules?

How about 5U high so that they can be used in any multiple with any setup
using standard rack rails??  In the case of SKB, you would just use two.

> any chance of getting these before 12.12? :) i'm gigging with my
> open-backed rack at a *bar*. eek! (i think i'm going to barbed-wire the
> synths away from all the drunks though, heh.)

I use a 10-space SKB for live use. It allows for two rows of modules and the
back can be latched closed. Of course it's deep, but I stack other SKB's on
top and all's good.