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1999-09-03 by Paul Schreiber
1999-09-03 by J. Larry Hendry
> From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
> Thinking about a 1U wide uVCO.
>
> a) Pulse & saw out
> b) 1V/Oct + Mod in
>
> no sync, no PWM, pots are
>
> Coarse
> Fine
> Mod
> PW
>
> will use slightly less radical parts, still use tempco resistor. Maybe a
> $159 kit?
>
> Paul S.
1999-09-03 by james holloway
>From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
>Reply-To: motm@onelist.com
>To: "MOTM listserv" <motm@onelist.com>
>Subject: [motm] MOTM-310 uVCO
>Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 00:01:41 -0500
>
>From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
>
>Thinking about a 1U wide uVCO.
>
>a) Pulse & saw out
>b) 1V/Oct + Mod in
>
>no sync, no PWM, pots are
>
>Coarse
>Fine
>Mod
>PW
>
>will use slightly less radical parts, still use tempco resistor. Maybe a
>$159 kit?
>
>Paul S.
>
>
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1999-09-03 by Dave Bradley
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Schreiber [mailto:synth1@...]
> Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 12:02 AM
> To: MOTM listserv
> Subject: [motm] MOTM-310 uVCO
>
>
> From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
>
> Thinking about a 1U wide uVCO.
>
> a) Pulse & saw out
> b) 1V/Oct + Mod in
>
> no sync, no PWM, pots are
>
> Coarse
> Fine
> Mod
> PW
>
> will use slightly less radical parts, still use tempco resistor. Maybe a
> $159 kit?
>
> Paul S.
>
>
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1999-09-03 by Mark Pulver
>I like the ones we already have. Why make a low scale one?It's a great idea for someone building up a system and needs a couple of
1999-09-03 by Christopher Jeris
1999-09-03 by John Speth
> From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
>
> Thinking about a 1U wide uVCO.
>
> a) Pulse & saw out
> b) 1V/Oct + Mod in
>
> no sync, no PWM, pots are
>
> Coarse
> Fine
> Mod
> PW
>
> will use slightly less radical parts, still use tempco resistor. Maybe a
> $159 kit?
>
> Paul S.
>
>
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1999-09-03 by james holloway
>From: Mark Pulver <mpulver@...>
>Reply-To: motm@onelist.com
>To: motm@onelist.com
>Subject: Re: [motm] MOTM-310 uVCO
>Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 10:28:37 -0500
>
>From: Mark Pulver <mpulver@...>
>
>james holloway (04:19 AM 9/3/99) wrote:
>
> >I like the ones we already have. Why make a low scale one?
>
>It's a great idea for someone building up a system and needs a couple of
>sub-oscillators. If you start building up a complex patch, then a simple
>VCO becomes great to have around for things like modulating filters, VCA's,
>etc.
>
>It doesn't have to be complex with PWM and all, just something to kick out
>some harmonics.
>
>Tuned low, and tracking at 1v/oct, this also makes for a great tracking
>LFO. And, if it only takes up one panel width... You can fit more in the
>same place.
>
>
>Personally, I never tire of having VCOs around... I'll stack 'em all over
>the place just to add character to a patch.
>
>Take a sawtooth and tune it about 3 or 4 octaves above your fundamental in
>a bass patch. Mix it in low, just so you can kinda feel it's presence more
>than hear it. If you like the resulting tonal character, then this is a
>need for a simple tracking VCO. Things like PWM don't need to be there -
>the effect of a PWM sweep dies anyway quickly at higher pitches.
>
>
>Mark
>
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1999-09-03 by james holloway
>From: John Speth <johns@...>
>Reply-To: motm@onelist.com
>To: "'motm@onelist.com'" <motm@onelist.com>
>Subject: RE: [motm] MOTM-310 uVCO
>Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:24:54 -0700
>
>From: John Speth <johns@...>
>
>I think this is a nice addition to the lineup. Perfect for stacking VCOs.
> But don't make it cost any more because then I'd be tempted to just get
>the UltraVCO instead.
>
>John Speth
>Object Engineering, Inc
>mailto:johns@...
>
>On Thursday, September 02, 1999 10:02 PM, Paul Schreiber
>[SMTP:synth1@...] wrote:
> > From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
> >
> > Thinking about a 1U wide uVCO.
> >
> > a) Pulse & saw out
> > b) 1V/Oct + Mod in
> >
> > no sync, no PWM, pots are
> >
> > Coarse
> > Fine
> > Mod
> > PW
> >
> > will use slightly less radical parts, still use tempco resistor. Maybe a
> > $159 kit?
> >
> > Paul S.
> >
> >
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1999-09-03 by Paul Schreiber
>From: John Speth <johns@...>
>
>I think this is a nice addition to the lineup. Perfect for stacking VCOs.
> But don't make it cost any more because then I'd be tempted to just get
>the UltraVCO instead.
>
>John Speth
>Object Engineering, Inc
>mailto:johns@...
>
>On Thursday, September 02, 1999 10:02 PM, Paul Schreiber
>[SMTP:synth1@...] wrote:
>> From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
>>
>> Thinking about a 1U wide uVCO.
>>
>> a) Pulse & saw out
>> b) 1V/Oct + Mod in
>>
>> no sync, no PWM, pots are
>>
>> Coarse
>> Fine
>> Mod
>> PW
>>
>> will use slightly less radical parts, still use tempco resistor. Maybe a
>> $159 kit?
>>
>> Paul S.
>>
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1999-09-03 by John Speth
> From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
>
> And I can't price it too *cheap* because nobody would buy the '300! HA!
>
> Paul S.
1999-09-03 by Dave Bradley
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hodad1@... [mailto:hodad1@...]
> Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 1:23 PM
> To: motm@onelist.com
> Subject: Re: [motm] MOTM-310 uVCO
>
>
> From: hodad1@...
>
> Though I haven't been here too long, I have kept up with MOTM for
> some time,
> & as I recall the
> original vco plan was to use Cem 3374. I was just wondering why that was
> scratched,
> what would prevent it from being used in a secondary vco module, etc.
>
> Just curious
> tomr
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Schreiber <synth1@...>
> To: MOTM listserv <motm@onelist.com>
> Date: Friday, September 03, 1999 12:52 AM
> Subject: [motm] MOTM-310 uVCO
>
>
> >From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
> >
> >Thinking about a 1U wide uVCO.
> >
> >a) Pulse & saw out
> >b) 1V/Oct + Mod in
> >
> >no sync, no PWM, pots are
> >
> >Coarse
> >Fine
> >Mod
> >PW
> >
> >will use slightly less radical parts, still use tempco resistor. Maybe a
> >$159 kit?
> >
> >Paul S.
> >
> >
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1999-09-03 by hodad1@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx
>From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
>
>Thinking about a 1U wide uVCO.
>
>a) Pulse & saw out
>b) 1V/Oct + Mod in
>
>no sync, no PWM, pots are
>
>Coarse
>Fine
>Mod
>PW
>
>will use slightly less radical parts, still use tempco resistor. Maybe a
>$159 kit?
>
>Paul S.
>
>
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1999-09-03 by Paul Schreiber
1999-09-03 by Doug Pearson
>My intent is the following:
>
>1) higher density for "1 row" systems (ie fit into 5U SKB effects rack)
>2) lower entry price for certain customers
>3) *much* easier build
>4) main use is for "backing vocals": this is not your 'lead' VCO
>5) useful for driving stuff like '110 and '120
>
>plus I guess I just like building VCOs.
>
>Paul S.
1999-09-03 by hodad1@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx
>From: John Speth <johns@...>
>
>Yes, Paul, you've kinda painted yourself into a corner with the M300. The
>M300 is pricey but a tremendous value for the price. Anything else,
>whether more expensive or cheaper, will probably miss that optimum value
>point.
>
>John Speth
>Object Engineering, Inc
>mailto:johns@...
>
>On Friday, September 03, 1999 10:50 AM, Paul Schreiber
>[SMTP:synth1@...] wrote:
>> From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
>>
>> And I can't price it too *cheap* because nobody would buy the '300! HA!
>>
>> Paul S.
>
>
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1999-09-03 by David Bivins
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Schreiber [mailto:synth1@...]
> Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 11:50 AM
> To: motm@onelist.com
> Subject: Re: [motm] MOTM-310 uVCO
>
>
> From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
>
> And I can't price it too *cheap* because nobody would buy the '300! HA!
>
> Paul S.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Speth <johns@...>
> To: 'motm@onelist.com' <motm@onelist.com>
> Date: Friday, September 03, 1999 12:32 PM
> Subject: RE: [motm] MOTM-310 uVCO
>
>
> >From: John Speth <johns@...>
> >
> >I think this is a nice addition to the lineup. Perfect for
> stacking VCOs.
> > But don't make it cost any more because then I'd be tempted to just get
> >the UltraVCO instead.
> >
> >John Speth
> >Object Engineering, Inc
> >mailto:johns@...
> >
> >On Thursday, September 02, 1999 10:02 PM, Paul Schreiber
> >[SMTP:synth1@...] wrote:
> >> From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
> >>
> >> Thinking about a 1U wide uVCO.
> >>
> >> a) Pulse & saw out
> >> b) 1V/Oct + Mod in
> >>
> >> no sync, no PWM, pots are
> >>
> >> Coarse
> >> Fine
> >> Mod
> >> PW
> >>
> >> will use slightly less radical parts, still use tempco
> resistor. Maybe a
> >> $159 kit?
> >>
> >> Paul S.
> >>
> >>
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1999-09-03 by Dave Bradley
1999-09-03 by Paul Schreiber
>From: "Dave Bradley" <daveb@...>
>
>Somebody mentioned giving the 310 something that the 300 didn't have to
>improve its desirability to current 300 owners.
>
>Well, how about.... through-zero FM ala Doug Kraul's design?
>
>Dave Bradley
>Principal Software Engineer
>Engineering Animation, Inc.
>daveb@...
>
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1999-09-04 by JWBarlow@xxx.xxx
1999-09-04 by improv@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
>From: "james holloway" <jimh54@...>I think you can never have enough VCO's in a patch, and I'd definitely want
>
>I like the ones we already have. Why make a low scale one?
>
1999-09-04 by Paul Schreiber
>From: improv@... (Dave Trenkel)
>
>>From: "james holloway" <jimh54@...>
>>
>>I like the ones we already have. Why make a low scale one?
>>
>I think you can never have enough VCO's in a patch, and I'd definitely want
>a couple of uVCO's. I'd personally prefer if they had sine or triangle
>outs, as I gravitate towards those over saw/pulse. My modular has 6 vco's
>(2 SEM, 2 Doepfer standard, 1 Doepfer "High End" VCO, 1 MOTM 300), and I'm
>waiting for the free time to build 2 of Tom G's VCO 4e's (see
>http://www.mindspring.com/~vco/ ), I have the boards, parts and front
>panel, just no time. Even if some of these VCO's aren't as stable as the
>300, there are still places to use them, doubling voices, audio mod
>sources, tracking LFO's, etc. I like the idea of a set of 1U wide modules
>as I'm considering building a smaller live modular for gigs.
>
>________________________________________________________
>Dave Trenkel : improv@... : www.peak.org/~improv/
>
>"...there will come a day when you won't have to use
>gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in
>your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper
>type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em
>together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em
>together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire."
> -Sun Ra
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1999-09-04 by Christopher Jeris
1999-09-05 by Mark Pulver
>1) How about a Tri/Pulse VCO? This is a different circuit as a Saw/Pulse,Tri/Pulse would make more sense if someone was to look at the VCO as being
>but still easy to do in a small form-factor.
1999-09-05 by JWBarlow@xxx.xxx
>1) How about a Tri/Pulse VCO? This is a different circuit as a Saw/Pulse,
>but still easy to do in a small form-factor.
>2) Dave: How about a VCO Roundup of your gear? Compare/likes/dislikes
1999-09-05 by J. Larry Hendry
> From: JWBarlow@...next
>
> Like Mark, I also prefer triangle to saw for LF and audio modulation (my
> preference would be for sine), part of my reason for suggesting it. But Ido
> think (again like Mark) that saw waves are very useful as audio sources,but
> can't they also be used as clock or sync sources given the instantaneousrise
> leads the falling ramp? I'm not sure why a pulse wave output (with a PWYES, in my opinion. I think the extremes ends of the PW (well not the
> control but no PWM input) is preferable to a square wave out -- is the PW
> control alone that useful?