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OK, I ran across a stash of CEM3330s today, new in the tube (from Ensoniq,
actually). This means the MOTM-110
has an extra 4 months of life left.

SO.............

Here is the choice for the next module:

a) MOTM-130 Dual VCA w/Pan & Fade as before
b) MOTM-310 MicroVCO
c) MOTM-??? VC'd Pulse Divider

Note that (b) is the quickest to market by 2-3 weeks. (a) and (c) are about
the same amount of R&D time.

As far as the time frame goes: I am NOT going to start a new design until
Aug. 1st. The month of July is dedicated to
catching up with assembled orders currently placed. But, on Aug. 1st I can
start going full-tilt boogie on the
next design cycle.

So, what will it be???

Paul S.

I will cast my vote for 'C', the VC'd Pulse divider!

Al Wagner

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Schreiber [mailto:synth1@...]
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 10:52 PM
To: MOTM listserv
Subject: [motm] Module voting time!


OK, I ran across a stash of CEM3330s today, new in the tube (from Ensoniq,
actually). This means the MOTM-110
has an extra 4 months of life left.

SO.............

Here is the choice for the next module:

a) MOTM-130 Dual VCA w/Pan & Fade as before
b) MOTM-310 MicroVCO
c) MOTM-??? VC'd Pulse Divider

Note that (b) is the quickest to market by 2-3 weeks. (a) and (c) are about
the same amount of R&D time.

As far as the time frame goes: I am NOT going to start a new design until
Aug. 1st. The month of July is dedicated to
catching up with assembled orders currently placed. But, on Aug. 1st I can
start going full-tilt boogie on the
next design cycle.

So, what will it be???

Paul S.



 

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I vote for the Divider, then the VCO, then the Dual VCA.

What features will be in the VCO?  I heard that you were considering 
continuously variable (and under VC?) waveform in a 1U.  Excellent!

Mike

--- In motm@y..., "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@a...> wrote:
> OK, I ran across a stash of CEM3330s today, new in the tube (from 
Ensoniq,

> actually). This means the MOTM-110
> has an extra 4 months of life left.
> ...

Divider.

Moe

> Here is the choice for the next module:
> 
> a) MOTM-130 Dual VCA w/Pan & Fade as before
> b) MOTM-310 MicroVCO
> c) MOTM-??? VC'd Pulse Divider

purely from a selfish point of view, i'd go for the pulse divider first

cheers
paul b

On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Paul Schreiber wrote:

> Here is the choice for the next module:
>
> a) MOTM-130 Dual VCA w/Pan & Fade as before
> b) MOTM-310 MicroVCO
> c) MOTM-??? VC'd Pulse Divider

  C!

Crow

/**/

Hi
my vote for 'C', the VC'd Pulse divider!

thanx
Gur Milstein

In my order of preference...

1. MOTM-310 MicroVCO
2. MOTM-130 Dual VCA w/Pan & Fade as before
3. MOTM-??? VC'd Pulse Divider

JP

First choice:
> a) MOTM-130 Dual VCA w/Pan & Fade as before

This will add a lot of functionality, externally and internally.  I've
been thinking about what I can do with this module for months and have
concluded that it will have many uses in my system. Out of the
3 selections, this one provides more functions and versatility for a
modular system.
 Jeff

h3y all,
the dual vca gets me first vote, but when any of these are built, i 
will buy.  i am very much lookin' forward to this one, but can easily 
find uses for the microVCO or VC'd divider...
i definitely see where it may be more convenient for paul to hold off 
on this an' go with a module that isn't currently in the line up.
hmmm, not much o' a vote really...
have a good one...
peace,
doc



--- In motm@y..., "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@a...> wrote:
> OK, I ran across a stash of CEM3330s today, new in the tube (from 
Ensoniq,
> actually). This means the MOTM-110
> has an extra 4 months of life left.
> 
> SO.............
> 
> Here is the choice for the next module:
> 
> a) MOTM-130 Dual VCA w/Pan & Fade as before
> b) MOTM-310 MicroVCO
> c) MOTM-??? VC'd Pulse Divider
> 
> Note that (b) is the quickest to market by 2-3 weeks. (a) and (c) 
are about
> the same amount of R&D time.
> 
> As far as the time frame goes: I am NOT going to start a new design 
until
> Aug. 1st. The month of July is dedicated to
> catching up with assembled orders currently placed. But, on Aug. 
1st I can

> start going full-tilt boogie on the
> next design cycle.
> 
> So, what will it be???
> 
> Paul S.

a) MOTM-130 Dual VCA w/Pan & Fade as before

That's my vote, and I'm sticking to it.  And no, I don't live in Florida.

Ivan

310, but i'd like to cast two unlisted votes for the preamp and the
envelope follower (not all of us are keyboard players) -Nate



>
>OK, I ran across a stash of CEM3330s today, new in the tube (from Ensoniq,
>
>actually). This means the MOTM-110
>
>has an extra 4 months of life left.
>
>
>
>SO.............
>
>
>
>Here is the choice for the next module:
>
>
>
>a) MOTM-130 Dual VCA w/Pan & Fade as before
>
>b) MOTM-310 MicroVCO
>
>c) MOTM-??? VC'd Pulse Divider
>
>
>
>Note that (b) is the quickest to market by 2-3 weeks. (a) and (c) are about
>
>the same amount of R&D time.
>
>
>
>As far as the time frame goes: I am NOT going to start a new design until
>
>Aug. 1st. The month of July is dedicated to
>
>catching up with assembled orders currently placed. But, on Aug. 1st I can
>
>start going full-tilt boogie on the
>
>next design cycle.
>
>
>
>So, what will it be???
>
>
>
>Paul S.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the
><http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>Yahoo! Terms of Service.


Please reply to:
nate@...
www.etanstudios.com

I have to agree completely with Microtonal on this one, my 
preferences are also...

1.  Dual VCA/Panner/Fader
2.  Pulse Divider
3.  NOT the microVCO, something else

>As Tom says, the Dual VCA/Panner/Fader adds functionality to the MOTM system
>that isn't available elsewhere.  It also makes stereo panning much easier.
>
>Where I disagree is the Pulse Divider.  I look at this as mostly a control
>voltage tool.  Since it is microcontroller based, it may not even work that
>well at audio frequencies - I would expect it might have some jitter.  This
>is a great complement to a sequencer for getting nonrepetitive note
>durations and polyrhythmic textures.
>
>The microVCO still confounds me.  Why a 1U module that duplicates
>functionality when there are so many things missing from MOTM.  I'll give a
>few examples:
>
>Phaser
>Variable Slope Filter
>Waveshapers
>Analog Shift Register
>Envelope Follower
>Preamp
>Sequencer
>VC Envelope Generator
>Quantizer
>Frequency Shifter
>Boolean Logic
>Comparator/Schmitt Triggers
>Control Voltage Modifiers
>
>This is the #1 reason that new customers to the modular field choose a Serge
>over MOTM.  I know, I see this on the Serge list all the time.  It limits
>the customer base of MOTM, thereby limiting the sales that Paul will see,
>thereby limiting the expansion of MOTM.
>
>John Loffink
>microtonal@...
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Why don't you give a shot at convincing the rest of us Jeff.  What 
type of applications have you been thinking of?

--- In motm@y..., Jeffrey Pontius <jpont@k...> wrote:
> First choice:
> > a) MOTM-130 Dual VCA w/Pan & Fade as before
> 
> This will add a lot of functionality, externally and internally.  
I've
> been thinking about what I can do with this module for months and 
have

> concluded that it will have many uses in my system. Out of the
> 3 selections, this one provides more functions and versatility for a
> modular system.
>  Jeff

I vote for the following:

1st -> Dual-VCA
close 2nd -> Pulse-Divider
3rd -> uVCO

Obviously, I see the need for all three of these!  A pulse divider would
good for crazy syncopations and strange audio harmonic generation, so I
definitely want [at least] one of those at some point.  The uVCO would be
great in multi-voice setups, as a sequencer driver, etc.  It's another mod
source - and you can never have too many kinds of mod sources!  But right
now I could use the dual-VCA, it's built in pan/fade functionality would be
a big asset.

George

I'll stick my neck out and vote for the uVCO.

Cheers,
Andy.

> 
> Here is the choice for the next module:
> 
> a) MOTM-130 Dual VCA w/Pan & Fade as before
> b) MOTM-310 MicroVCO
> c) MOTM-??? VC'd Pulse Divider
>

1) Pulse Divider
2) uVCO
3) VCA

However, I'd also like to voice my desire for the preamp!  That's really my
#1 desire; it would free up my mixer.  Secondly, I'd love that phaser we
heard some samples of a while back; sorry, no MoogerFooger for me.

Thanks for considering our input!  :)

--PBr

And even if it's not on the list:

  * SEM Filter
  * Any other filters you can dream up (including Moog ladder)

Mike

--- In motm@y..., "Mike Marsh" <mmarsh@s...> wrote:
> I vote for the Divider, then the VCO, then the Dual VCA.
> 
> What features will be in the VCO?  I heard that you were 
considering 

> continuously variable (and under VC?) waveform in a 1U.  Excellent!
> 
> Mike
> 
> --- In motm@y..., "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@a...> wrote:
> > OK, I ran across a stash of CEM3330s today, new in the tube (from 
> Ensoniq,
> > actually). This means the MOTM-110
> > has an extra 4 months of life left.
> > ...

On Mon, 9 Jul 2001 jpotter@... wrote:

> Why don't you give a shot at convincing the rest of us Jeff.  What 
> type of applications have you been thinking of?
> 
Primarily thinking about fade/pan in cv uses, not 2 vca's (which,
as mentioned, the 110 has).

Two disclaimers: (a) I'm assuming that one can fade/pan cv's in the 130
and (b) I've never used a fade/pan module so I'm imagining what can be
done.

Some uses are probably 'obvious': pan to a mixer/recorder (from motm or
hopefully my Prophet 5) & fading cv's from, say, different lfo's.

Basically, I think the fader could have very useful applications in
smoothly transitioning from one cv or audio source to a target cv or audio
input.  Add in the linear and exp. cv's on the dual vca to the below, and 
I think patches could become nicely dynamic.  A few ideas (probably most,
if not all, others have thought of):


(1) The 700 is nice for abrupt switching between 2 cv sources, but I would
also like smooth 'switching' between 2 cv sources with
increasing/decreasing magnitudes - I would think that the
fader would be appropriate for this (if it handles cv's).  Of course, one
could have 700 --> 130 fader, 700 switching, say, 2 lfo waveforms
with 700 controlled by lfo rect. waveform from same lfo or a second lfo.

(2) pan cv (e.g. an lfo waveform) into 2 cv inputs in one unit.
Examples, the 2 fm cv's in the 440; sweep & depth in the 410; 2
fm cv's in the 300; shape & fm in the 320 (possibly back into itself).

(3)  More varied 'voicing' in Robert Rich's "chaos type patching" or
the middle section of my Unknown Spaces (see motm News page for both)
where one could have input into one 300 fm being varied using fader from 2
300's or variants on this theme with 2 300's.

(4) audio from one or more 300's into 2 filters with each filter being fm
modulated with a pan output

(5) filter fm modulated by one pan output and resonance modulated with the
other pan output

Just some basic ideas.  Any thoughts on these?
Jeff

Ahh.  CV Morphing.  Hadn't thought of that.  Thanks - John

--- In motm@y..., Jeffrey Pontius <jpont@k...> wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Jul 2001 jpotter@i... wrote:
> 
> > Why don't you give a shot at convincing the rest of us Jeff.  
What 
> > type of applications have you been thinking of?
> > 
> Primarily thinking about fade/pan in cv uses, not 2 vca's (which,
> as mentioned, the 110 has).
> 
> Two disclaimers: (a) I'm assuming that one can fade/pan cv's in the 
130
> and (b) I've never used a fade/pan module so I'm imagining what can 
be
> done.
> 
> Some uses are probably 'obvious': pan to a mixer/recorder (from 
motm or
> hopefully my Prophet 5) & fading cv's from, say, different lfo's.
> 
> Basically, I think the fader could have very useful applications in
> smoothly transitioning from one cv or audio source to a target cv 
or audio
> input.  Add in the linear and exp. cv's on the dual vca to the 
below, and 
> I think patches could become nicely dynamic.  A few ideas (probably 
most,
> if not all, others have thought of):
> 
> 
> (1) The 700 is nice for abrupt switching between 2 cv sources, but 
I would
> also like smooth 'switching' between 2 cv sources with
> increasing/decreasing magnitudes - I would think that the
> fader would be appropriate for this (if it handles cv's).  Of 
course, one
> could have 700 --> 130 fader, 700 switching, say, 2 lfo waveforms
> with 700 controlled by lfo rect. waveform from same lfo or a second 
lfo.
> 
> (2) pan cv (e.g. an lfo waveform) into 2 cv inputs in one unit.
> Examples, the 2 fm cv's in the 440; sweep & depth in the 410; 2
> fm cv's in the 300; shape & fm in the 320 (possibly back into 
itself).
> 
> (3)  More varied 'voicing' in Robert Rich's "chaos type patching" or
> the middle section of my Unknown Spaces (see motm News page for 
both)
> where one could have input into one 300 fm being varied using fader 
from 2
> 300's or variants on this theme with 2 300's.
> 
> (4) audio from one or more 300's into 2 filters with each filter 
being fm
> modulated with a pan output
> 
> (5) filter fm modulated by one pan output and resonance modulated 
with the

> other pan output
> 
> Just some basic ideas.  Any thoughts on these?
> Jeff

The dual VCA wins hands down.  It seems like several people on the list
don't know what this really means to them.  Any one that has 2 or more VCOs
and doesn't have at least as many VCAs is missing out.  Plus panning and
fading!  Aw yeah!

Too bad we don't have some good samples of this type of sound up on Paul's
site yet so everyone can know what the potential is.

1) MOTM-130 Dual VCA w/Pan & Fade
2) MOTM-??? VC'd Pulse Divider
3) MOTM-310 MicroVCO

Cheers!
Shemp

Hi Paul n All !

Let me put a different spin on this ;-)

Bringing the dual vca to market soon would give the MOTM system a far 
longer supply of RING MODULATORS .  Obviating the pressing need to 
design another RM module when the 110 runs out .  Who would want MOTM 
to be without a RM for any length of time ?  :)

As important as the dual-vca/pan/fade functions, if not more, is the 
vc-mix one, thru the link input .  4 into 1 with 2, 6 into 1 with 3 
modules, all voltage controlled .  Yum .   And i bet this would up 
sales for the 800 as well .

For myself, i can see some use for the vc pulse divider, but way less 
than the vca .  I'm not too hot on the micro vco .  My Fénix has 2 
simple and 1 full vco .  Most times i play it i wish i had more of 
the complex ones .  So if you must, put the pulse before the 130, but 
get it done asap :)

Bye for now, and :

Three cheers for the frazzeled one ;^)


Keep 'em oscillating :)


Hugo
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