MOTM

>
>Since this is a DIY list, how about selling cable kits? Neutrik 1/4"
>TRS plugs are only $2.25 each in bulk, so even less for the TS plugs.
>And Mogami single pair cable is only $.18-.22 per foot.  So for less
>than $5 everyone could make their own high quality cables.



Too much hassle on my end. Certainly, anybody with an Allied catalog can buy
the cable and plugs
and make up their own patchcords. The "economical" plugs (which are 99.99%
better than
anybody elses are Allied part # 514-8700 $2.13 in 10s. The smaller diameter
part is #514-8618
at $1.09/10s. The "good stuff" is Allied # 514-1075 (black) or 514-1072
(silver) at ~$2.50ea/10s.)

You can use Canare # L-2T2S cable or Mogami #2893 cable. Web site searchs
turn up at least
25 hits for each.

Paul S.

Thanks for the detailed info Paul.  I agree with Cary that many of us would
rather DIY our cables.  You part numbers will make part ordering easy.

Perhaps if the cable sells for better prices at 1000', we might want to
have several diy'ers buying from one person who buys the large roll.  Any
interest?  I would be up for buying a large quantity if I knew others
wanted it.  I would be happy to break even on the split up.  Paul has
enough to do making modules.

Larry Hendry

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> From: Paul Schreiber <synth1@...>
> To: motm@onelist.com
> Subject: [motm] Patchcord kits
> Date: Monday, July 26, 1999 10:00 AM
> 
> From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
> 
> > Cary Roberts wrote:
> > Since this is a DIY list, how about selling cable
> > kits? Neutrik 1/4" TRS plugs are only $2.25 each
> > in bulk, so even less for the TS plugs. And Mogami
> > single pair cable is only $.18-.22 per foot.  So for
> > less than $5 everyone could make their own high
> > quality cables.
> 
> Too much hassle on my end. Certainly, anybody with an Allied catalog can
buy
> the cable and plugs
> and make up their own patchcords. The "economical" plugs (which are
99.99%
> better than
> anybody elses are Allied part # 514-8700 $2.13 in 10s. The smaller
diameter

> part is #514-8618
> at $1.09/10s. The "good stuff" is Allied # 514-1075 (black) or 514-1072
> (silver) at ~$2.50ea/10s.)
> 
> You can use Canare # L-2T2S cable or Mogami #2893 cable. Web site searchs
> turn up at least
> 25 hits for each.
> 
> Paul S.

I'm interested in a group purchase of plugs & cable - although I  would
*really* like it Paul's offered cable with stripped  & tinnned  leads - It's
probabIy just my technique/tools but I  have a hard time with braided
insulation.

jmw

Well, if *nobody* is interested in me providing cables, then
I won't!

Paul S.
confused



-----Original Message-----
From: jmw <evening@...>
To: motm@onelist.com <motm@onelist.com>
Date: Monday, July 26, 1999 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: [motm] Patchcord kits


>From: "jmw" <evening@...>
>
>I'm interested in a group purchase of plugs & cable - although I  would
>*really* like it Paul's offered cable with stripped  & tinnned  leads -
It's

>probabIy just my technique/tools but I  have a hard time with braided
>insulation.
>
>jmw
>
>
>
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I *was* interested.  I think you should have one part number that is
"standard" and let up do what we want from there.  I will buy shrink wrap
(already have heat gun) and code every thing by color.  Recommendations for
tubing???

Can we save a lot if we buy bulk connectors?

How much per foot is 1000 feet of the better cabling?  I am interested in
purchasing it and redistributing.

Are the Allieds better that Switchcrafts?

Maybe someone could provide a tutorial for tinning leads--especially mesh.
That would add a fair amount to the price Paul would have to sell for.  Hey
Paul, why $15-20 per cable???

--Shemp

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Schreiber [mailto:synth1@...]
> Sent: Monday, July 26, 1999 10:10 PM
> To: motm@onelist.com
> Subject: Re: [motm] Patchcord kits
>
>
> From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
>
> Well, if *nobody* is interested in me providing cables, then
> I won't!
>
> Paul S.
> confused
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jmw <evening@...>
> To: motm@onelist.com <motm@onelist.com>
> Date: Monday, July 26, 1999 8:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [motm] Patchcord kits
>
>
> >From: "jmw" <evening@...>
> >
> >I'm interested in a group purchase of plugs & cable - although I  would
> >*really* like it Paul's offered cable with stripped  & tinnned  leads -
> It's
> >probabIy just my technique/tools but I  have a hard time with braided
> >insulation.
> >
> >jmw
> >
> >
> >
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> From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
> 
> Well, if *nobody* is interested in me providing cables, then
> I won't!
> 
> Paul S.
> confused

Well, I certainly figured there would be some of BOTH.  From the mail I see
on the list, there are some users that are not comfortable with DIY
anything.  And, certainly there are lots of guys like me who have made
hundreds of cables in their musical career.  Perhaps a survey of customers
would be in order to determine if it would be worth your while Paul.

I'll cast mine now and say I personally am not interested in cables.  I
prefer to make my own and will probably not buy any.  However, I know there
are others that might want them, and they should speak up.  :)

As far as a bulk purchase of parts for those that are interested in DIY
cables, I am up for that (not to take cable business away from Paul) but to
bear some of the "hassel" of distributing parts at cost and helping other
DIYers to lower their cable cost.  After all, Paul we all know you are one
busy guy and I personally would rather see your talents applied to new
module toys.  Guys like me can handle the mundane tasks of buying and
shipping a few parts. (I think your mail said you were not interested in
cable kits).  And, I will probably tell my wife SHE will have to solder the
cables before I buy her another MOTM kit.

My $.02.  Thanks for the tips on parts Paul.  You are a master at picking
good parts (as evidenced by MOTM).  So, you recommendation is good for me.

Larry

>Thanks for the detailed info Paul.  I agree with Cary that many of us would
>rather DIY our cables.  You part numbers will make part ordering easy.
>
>Perhaps if the cable sells for better prices at 1000', we might want to
>have several diy'ers buying from one person who buys the large roll.  Any
>interest?  I would be up for buying a large quantity if I knew others
>wanted it.  I would be happy to break even on the split up.  Paul has
>enough to do making modules.

I recently purchased $7k of wire, connectors, and patchbays from Redco
Audio and was pleased with their prices and service.  Silver TRS Neutriks
were $2.25 each, so expect even less for TS connectors.  They carry
most major brands of cabling, including: Belden, Canare, Gepco, Gotham,
Mogami, and their own house brand Redco TGS.  The Mogami cabling isn't
available in colors in the single conductor but is in the single pair.
Canare or Gepco might have something appropriate for patch cables.
Spiral shields are a plus when assembling your own connectors, and
highly recommended over braid for ease of assembly.  I don't think
there is a need for a braided shield on modular patch cables.  Mogami
also makes molded patch cables Mogami part number PP-01, PP-03, PP-06
in 1, 3, and 6 ft lengths respectively.  Available colors are red,
yellow, green, blue, and black.  The connectors have "color bands"
for further identification.

If anyone is interested, Redco's info is:

Redco Audio
800-572-7280

www.redco.com