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Here is some info about the Wiard Mini-Wave 1202.

For those of you who don't know, John Blacet of Blacet Research
(http://www.blacet.com) is doing an MOTM/DIY version of the Wiard Mini-Wave
1202.  I believe only about 10 of the Mini-Wave were sold by Wiard
(http://www.wiard.com) and it looks like Wiard is on its way of going out of
business.  They will not sell individual modules to new buyers--only
complete systems.  And they only have a few complete systems left.  The
Mini-Wave is also at the heart of the Wiard Waveform City module which
included other functionality such as EG, VCA and mult.

The Mini-Wave has a 400 kHz A/D converter.  I belief someone here said Wiard
used the Digisound chip in its design.  It also contains a 64k EPROM.  (Does
the Mini-Wave morph between sounds as on the PPGs and Waldorfs?)

The Wiard Mini-Wave sold for $199 + $10(S&H) assembled.
The Waveform City sells for $549.

I hope that John Blacet uses a standard MOTM-sized PCB, standard mounting
hole locations, ZIF EPROM socket and a standard MOTM power connector in his
design.

I am assuming that Dave and Larry will probably be doing a run of Mini-Wave
FPs in the future...

Here is the original Mini-Wave manual which includes a variety of MP3s and
pictures.

	http://www.wiard.com/Grants%201200/MiniWave/MiniManual.html

Here are pics of most of the 256 waves.  This link is also included in the
above manual, but it is so important that I wanted to separate it out.  Some
of the waves include:  square wave compression, Votrox SC-01 voder chip,
binary rate multiplier (CD4098), historic non-linear transforms, custom
waves from Darwin Grosse, Digisound VCDO, harmonic series and quantization
scales.

	http://www.wiard.com/Grants%201200/MiniWave/MiniWave_Manual.pdf

Here is the Wiard module that is based on the Mini-Wave.

	http://www.wiard.com/modular/waveform_city/waveform_city.html


Here is a brief description of traditional wavetable synthesis from a PPG
user's site.

	http://www.wavesynth.com/whatis.htm

Here are three pics from David Bradley's MOTMized Mini-Wave.

	http://motm.retrosynth.com/moe_stuff/Motmized_Miniwave/miniwave_front.jpg

	http://motm.retrosynth.com/moe_stuff/Motmized_Miniwave/miniwave_left.jpg

	http://motm.retrosynth.com/moe_stuff/Motmized_Miniwave/miniwave_right.jpg

Cheers!
Shemp

--- In motm@y..., "Tentochi" <tentochi@c...> wrote:

> I believe only about 10 of the Mini-Wave were sold by Wiard

This is correct - only 10 were made, and MOTMites are known to hold 
at least 4 of those!

> The Mini-Wave has a 400 kHz A/D converter.  I belief someone here 
> said Wiard used the Digisound chip in its design.  It also contains 
> a 64k EPROM.  (Does the Mini-Wave morph between sounds as on the 
> PPGs and Waldorfs?)

There is no 'Digisound chip'. The Wiard uses different addressing 
circuitry than the Digisound, but the heart of the module is just a 
ROM. The original Digisound had a Curtis VCO built in to drive 
counters to address the ROM, while the Wiard / Blacet uses external 
CVs thru A/D converters to generate the ROM addressing. Note also 
that two of the Wiard wave banks duplicate the original 32 Digisound 
waves.

> I hope that John Blacet uses a standard MOTM-sized PCB, standard 
> mounting hole locations, ZIF EPROM socket and a standard MOTM power 
> connector in his design.

It's dangerous for me to speak for John, but I think it's safe to say 
that his pot mounting locations will fit the Blacet format as all his 
other designs do, not the MOTM format. You will be able to convert it 
to fit MOTM format much like you do any Blacet module. I'm most 
interested to see if he retains the Wiard signature LED row, or finds 
another way of displaying the address (a 2 digit hex display ala 
Modcan, for instance.) I'm sure you can continue to count on a 
standard MOTM power connection, and John mentioned on this list that 
he was attracted to perhaps including a ZIF socket. But he can speak 
for himself whenever he's ready...

> I am assuming that Dave and Larry will probably be doing a run of 
> Mini-Wave FPs in the future...

That's a pretty safe bet, as long as there's interest.

Moe

How about staying analog and making it a "VU-like" panel meter! Now
*there's* accuracy!

;-) 

 -----Original Message-----
From: 	mate_stubb@... [mailto:mate_stubb@...] 
Sent:	Thursday, 22 February, 2001 12:49 AM
To:	motm@yahoogroups.com
Subject:	[motm] Re: Wiard Mini-Wave 1202

.... I'm most interested to see if he retains the Wiard signature LED row,
or finds another way of displaying the address (a 2 digit hex display ala
Modcan, for instance.) ...

> > I believe only about 10 of the Mini-Wave were sold by Wiard
> 
> This is correct - only 10 were made, and MOTMites are known to hold 
> at least 4 of those!

i quoth grant richter:
"There are 9 Joysticks, 10 Joy Riders and 11 Mini-Waves."

alex

--- In motm@y..., "Tkacs, Ken" <ken.tkacs@j...> wrote:
> 
> How about staying analog and making it a "VU-like" panel meter! Now
> *there's* accuracy!

NIX-IE TUBES, NIX-IE TUBES! (best cheerleader impression)

;)
alex

In a message dated 01-02-21 23:52:13 EST, you write:

<< Here is some info about the Wiard Mini-Wave 1202. >>


hopefully the blacet version will be at least as interesting as the 
"original" from wiard!
any added functionality would be great, too!
best,
dave v.

I have put in a feature request to John, which he may or may not 
ignore of course:

Add either manual or VC of the DAC output resolution - 8 bit for 
normal semi-clean, 6 or 4 bit to really grunge it up.

Moe

--- In motm@y..., davevosh@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 01-02-21 23:52:13 EST, you write:
> 
> << Here is some info about the Wiard Mini-Wave 1202. >>
> 
> 
> hopefully the blacet version will be at least as interesting as the 
> "original" from wiard!
> any added functionality would be great, too!
> best,
> dave v.

In a message dated 01-02-22 12:39:34 EST, you write:

<< NIX-IE TUBES, NIX-IE TUBES >>


gee, my old ( but still working, weighs a ton, built like you could pop it 
with a .45 and have it sneer at you )  surplus frequency counter uses these. 
they are cool. 
best,
dave v.

Maybe the difference is that he made 11, sold 10 and kept 1.
LH
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <perpetual@...>
i quoth grant richter:
"There are 9 Joysticks, 10 Joy Riders and 11 Mini-Waves."
alex

You may find like Mirage owners and others that  8 bit is at the low end
of usability anything lower is getting into y the sample a throbbing
Grislte lp range..  A special mod pack for something along those
lines..6, 4  that is more academic than useful.

g Wong 

mate_stubb@... wrote:

> 
> I have put in a feature request to John, which he may or may not
> ignore of course:
> 
> Add either manual or VC of the DAC output resolution - 8 bit for
> normal semi-clean, 6 or 4 bit to really grunge it up.
> 
> Moe
>

In a message dated 2/22/01 6:28:35 PM Central Standard Time, 
mate_stubb@... writes:

> I have put in a feature request to John, which he may or may not 
>  ignore of course:
>  
>  Add either manual or VC of the DAC output resolution - 8 bit for 
>  normal semi-clean, 6 or 4 bit to really grunge it up.

 This would be great! One of my "things" to do with the MiniWave is to feed 
it with a low input signal (SH-101) and set the EG attack to a little less 
than the fastest setting, a mid-ish decay and sustain. This gives a nice 
crunchy attack and a nice timbral shift for each note.  I think the lower 
input amplitude causes a lower bit resolution (?)

 Andrew Sanchez

A few additional links which I did not include originally...

John Blacet's preliminary FP pic:

	http://www.blacet.com/MW.html

Dave Bradley's MOTM schematic representation of the Mini-Wave:

	http://www.users.qwest.net/~daveb2/images/Wiard-MiniWave.gif

2 patches from Wiard using the Wiard Waveform City GR-342 (a.k.a. Mini-Wave
1202) (GR stands for Grant Richter):

	Pretty Arpeggios  http://www.wiard.com/support/patch_prettyarp.jpg

	White Noise  http://www.wiard.com/support/patch_wnoise.jpg

And here are the Wave 256 and Move 256 editors for PC (It doesn't look like
a Mac version will ever happen as promised on the website.):

	http://www.wiard.com/support/wave256.zip

Cheers!
Shemp

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tentochi [mailto:tentochi@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 11:45 PM
> To: MOTM Mailing List
> Subject: [motm] Wiard Mini-Wave 1202
>
>
> Here is some info about the Wiard Mini-Wave 1202.
>
> For those of you who don't know, John Blacet of Blacet Research
> (http://www.blacet.com) is doing an MOTM/DIY version of the Wiard
> Mini-Wave
> 1202.  I believe only about 10 of the Mini-Wave were sold by Wiard
> (http://www.wiard.com) and it looks like Wiard is on its way of
> going out of
> business.  They will not sell individual modules to new buyers--only
> complete systems.  And they only have a few complete systems left.  The
> Mini-Wave is also at the heart of the Wiard Waveform City module which
> included other functionality such as EG, VCA and mult.
>
> The Mini-Wave has a 400 kHz A/D converter.  I belief someone here
> said Wiard
> used the Digisound chip in its design.  It also contains a 64k
> EPROM.  (Does
> the Mini-Wave morph between sounds as on the PPGs and Waldorfs?)
>
> The Wiard Mini-Wave sold for $199 + $10(S&H) assembled.
> The Waveform City sells for $549.
>
> I hope that John Blacet uses a standard MOTM-sized PCB, standard mounting
> hole locations, ZIF EPROM socket and a standard MOTM power
> connector in his
> design.
>
> I am assuming that Dave and Larry will probably be doing a run of
> Mini-Wave
> FPs in the future...
>
> Here is the original Mini-Wave manual which includes a variety of MP3s and
> pictures.
>
> 	http://www.wiard.com/Grants%201200/MiniWave/MiniManual.html
>
> Here are pics of most of the 256 waves.  This link is also included in the
> above manual, but it is so important that I wanted to separate it
> out.  Some
> of the waves include:  square wave compression, Votrox SC-01 voder chip,
> binary rate multiplier (CD4098), historic non-linear transforms, custom
> waves from Darwin Grosse, Digisound VCDO, harmonic series and quantization
> scales.
>
> 	http://www.wiard.com/Grants%201200/MiniWave/MiniWave_Manual.pdf
>
> Here is the Wiard module that is based on the Mini-Wave.
>
> 	http://www.wiard.com/modular/waveform_city/waveform_city.html
>
>
> Here is a brief description of traditional wavetable synthesis from a PPG
> user's site.
>
> 	http://www.wavesynth.com/whatis.htm
>
> Here are three pics from David Bradley's MOTMized Mini-Wave.
>
>
http://motm.retrosynth.com/moe_stuff/Motmized_Miniwave/miniwave_front.jpg

	http://motm.retrosynth.com/moe_stuff/Motmized_Miniwave/miniwave_left.jpg

	http://motm.retrosynth.com/moe_stuff/Motmized_Miniwave/miniwave_right.jpg

Cheers!
Shemp

It looks like the Blacet model number is 2090.

I did NOT see buttons on the Blacet FP to manually advance the Wave and Bank
number.  Hmmm?

--Shemp


> A few additional links which I did not include originally...
>
> John Blacet's preliminary FP pic:
>
> 	http://www.blacet.com/MW.html
>
> Dave Bradley's MOTM schematic representation of the Mini-Wave:
>
> 	http://www.users.qwest.net/~daveb2/images/Wiard-MiniWave.gif
>
> 2 patches from Wiard using the Wiard Waveform City GR-342 (a.k.a.
> Mini-Wave
> 1202) (GR stands for Grant Richter):
>
> 	Pretty Arpeggios  http://www.wiard.com/support/patch_prettyarp.jpg
>
> 	White Noise  http://www.wiard.com/support/patch_wnoise.jpg
>
> And here are the Wave 256 and Move 256 editors for PC (It doesn't
> look like
> a Mac version will ever happen as promised on the website.):
>
> 	http://www.wiard.com/support/wave256.zip
>
> Cheers!
> Shemp
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tentochi [mailto:tentochi@...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 11:45 PM
> > To: MOTM Mailing List
> > Subject: [motm] Wiard Mini-Wave 1202
> >
> >
> > Here is some info about the Wiard Mini-Wave 1202.
> >
> > For those of you who don't know, John Blacet of Blacet Research
> > (http://www.blacet.com) is doing an MOTM/DIY version of the Wiard
> > Mini-Wave
> > 1202.  I believe only about 10 of the Mini-Wave were sold by Wiard
> > (http://www.wiard.com) and it looks like Wiard is on its way of
> > going out of
> > business.  They will not sell individual modules to new buyers--only
> > complete systems.  And they only have a few complete systems left.  The
> > Mini-Wave is also at the heart of the Wiard Waveform City module which
> > included other functionality such as EG, VCA and mult.
> >
> > The Mini-Wave has a 400 kHz A/D converter.  I belief someone here
> > said Wiard
> > used the Digisound chip in its design.  It also contains a 64k
> > EPROM.  (Does
> > the Mini-Wave morph between sounds as on the PPGs and Waldorfs?)
> >
> > The Wiard Mini-Wave sold for $199 + $10(S&H) assembled.
> > The Waveform City sells for $549.
> >
> > I hope that John Blacet uses a standard MOTM-sized PCB,
> standard mounting
> > hole locations, ZIF EPROM socket and a standard MOTM power
> > connector in his
> > design.
> >
> > I am assuming that Dave and Larry will probably be doing a run of
> > Mini-Wave
> > FPs in the future...
> >
> > Here is the original Mini-Wave manual which includes a variety
> of MP3s and
> > pictures.
> >
> > 	http://www.wiard.com/Grants%201200/MiniWave/MiniManual.html
> >
> > Here are pics of most of the 256 waves.  This link is also
> included in the
> > above manual, but it is so important that I wanted to separate it
> > out.  Some
> > of the waves include:  square wave compression, Votrox SC-01 voder chip,
> > binary rate multiplier (CD4098), historic non-linear transforms, custom
> > waves from Darwin Grosse, Digisound VCDO, harmonic series and
> quantization
> > scales.
> >
> > 	http://www.wiard.com/Grants%201200/MiniWave/MiniWave_Manual.pdf
> >
> > Here is the Wiard module that is based on the Mini-Wave.
> >
> > 	http://www.wiard.com/modular/waveform_city/waveform_city.html
> >
> >
> > Here is a brief description of traditional wavetable synthesis
> from a PPG
> > user's site.
> >
> > 	http://www.wavesynth.com/whatis.htm
> >
> > Here are three pics from David Bradley's MOTMized Mini-Wave.
> >
> >
> http://motm.retrosynth.com/moe_stuff/Motmized_Miniwave/miniwave_front.jpg
>
>
http://motm.retrosynth.com/moe_stuff/Motmized_Miniwave/miniwave_left.jpg

	http://motm.retrosynth.com/moe_stuff/Motmized_Miniwave/miniwave_right.jpg

Cheers!
Shemp

--- In motm@y..., "Tentochi" <tentochi@c...> wrote:
> It looks like the Blacet model number is 2090.
> 
> I did NOT see buttons on the Blacet FP to manually advance the Wave 
and Bank
> number.  Hmmm?
> 
> --Shemp
> 
> 

That's what the Bank Select and Wave Select knobs are for!

Moe

>And here are the Wave 256 and Move 256 editors for PC (It doesn't look like
>a Mac version will ever happen as promised on the website.):

You can bet that if I ever get one of these I'll have something whipped up
in HyperCard. I've got it talking to the EPROM burner already...


-- 
Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
"The Mac Doctor"