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tony@... writes:

>>Reason: I see Paul and others responding to things that are seemingly hours
 old, yet I still haven't gotten them. How do some people get email on this
 list 10 hours ago, and I still haven't seen them, yet my mail with most of
 the world is practically instantaneous?
 I was on the phone this morning with a guy in Canada, and while we were on
 the phone, I emailed him a picture and within 10 seconds, he was viewing it!
 Yet on this group I see Paul responding to someone 11 o'clock this morning,
 yet I still haven't seen the original post to which Paul replied.
 Confused,<<

I have the same problems but at different times on different lists.  For a 
few days many of my posts to this list would never show up (at least back to 
me).  Other times they were severly delayed.  Then lately I haven't had any 
problems here, but now on Analog Heaven I'm not seeing my posts that went out 
ever a day ago.  I am getting so fed up with this crap.  Apparently the 
morons who write the software to shuffle mail around the internet think it is 
exceptable to lose a certain percentage of it.  I don't know who's at fault 
so I can't fire off an angry and hateful letter to the bastards.  Computers, 
I hate them.

-Elhardt

Ken/Tony,

Are you seeing the posts actually lost or just severely delayed?  I noticed the
delay but I haven't seen anything lost.  Egroups had some problems where I finally
got some posts over a week late but they did come through!

I don't write mailer software for a living (so you can't shoot me) but my guess is
that yahoogroups, as it is called now, is a victim of its own success.  They just
can't handle the volume of posts made on all the lists.  I think this is compounded
by the redelivery mechanism that their mailers use.  It seems to defer delivery very
quickly and the deferred queue is not serviced very often.  At least, that is what
it looks like from my observations.

I suppose you could complain to the yahoogroups sysadmins...

Eric


--- elhardt@... wrote:
> tony@... writes:
> 
> >>Reason: I see Paul and others responding to things that are seemingly hours
>  old, yet I still haven't gotten them. How do some people get email on this
>  list 10 hours ago, and I still haven't seen them, yet my mail with most of
>  the world is practically instantaneous?
>  I was on the phone this morning with a guy in Canada, and while we were on
>  the phone, I emailed him a picture and within 10 seconds, he was viewing it!
>  Yet on this group I see Paul responding to someone 11 o'clock this morning,
>  yet I still haven't seen the original post to which Paul replied.
>  Confused,<<
> 
> I have the same problems but at different times on different lists.  For a 
> few days many of my posts to this list would never show up (at least back to 
> me).  Other times they were severly delayed.  Then lately I haven't had any 
> problems here, but now on Analog Heaven I'm not seeing my posts that went out 
> ever a day ago.  I am getting so fed up with this crap.  Apparently the 
> morons who write the software to shuffle mail around the internet think it is 
> exceptable to lose a certain percentage of it.  I don't know who's at fault 
> so I can't fire off an angry and hateful letter to the bastards.  Computers, 
> I hate them.
> 
> -Elhardt
> 
> 
> 
> 


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FYI, I received your post at 2:48PM PST. The post in question was one that
Paul responded to with a subject of "DSP"

I read Paul's response, but never knew the question.

Tony

> -----Original Message-----
> From: alt-mode [mailto:alt_mode@...]
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 9:44 AM
> To: motm@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [motm] DSP (post delays)
>
>
> Ken/Tony,
>
> Are you seeing the posts actually lost or just severely delayed?
> I noticed the
> delay but I haven't seen anything lost.  Egroups had some
> problems where I finally
> got some posts over a week late but they did come through!
>
> I don't write mailer software for a living (so you can't shoot
> me) but my guess is
> that yahoogroups, as it is called now, is a victim of its own
> success.  They just
> can't handle the volume of posts made on all the lists.  I think
> this is compounded
> by the redelivery mechanism that their mailers use.  It seems to
> defer delivery very
> quickly and the deferred queue is not serviced very often.  At
> least, that is what
> it looks like from my observations.
>
> I suppose you could complain to the yahoogroups sysadmins...
>
> Eric
>
>
> --- elhardt@... wrote:
> > tony@... writes:
> >
> > >>Reason: I see Paul and others responding to things that are
> seemingly hours
> >  old, yet I still haven't gotten them. How do some people get
> email on this
> >  list 10 hours ago, and I still haven't seen them, yet my mail
> with most of
> >  the world is practically instantaneous?
> >  I was on the phone this morning with a guy in Canada, and
> while we were on
> >  the phone, I emailed him a picture and within 10 seconds, he
> was viewing it!
> >  Yet on this group I see Paul responding to someone 11 o'clock
> this morning,
> >  yet I still haven't seen the original post to which Paul replied.
> >  Confused,<<
> >
> > I have the same problems but at different times on different
> lists.  For a
> > few days many of my posts to this list would never show up (at
> least back to
> > me).  Other times they were severly delayed.  Then lately I
> haven't had any
> > problems here, but now on Analog Heaven I'm not seeing my posts
> that went out
> > ever a day ago.  I am getting so fed up with this crap.  Apparently the
> > morons who write the software to shuffle mail around the
> internet think it is
> > exceptable to lose a certain percentage of it.  I don't know
> who's at fault
> > so I can't fire off an angry and hateful letter to the
> bastards.  Computers,
> > I hate them.
> >
> > -Elhardt
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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alt_mode@... writes:

>>Are you seeing the posts actually lost or just severely delayed?  I noticed 
the
 delay but I haven't seen anything lost.  Egroups had some problems where I 
finally
 got some posts over a week late but they did come through!<<

I've experienced both severly delayed and lost.  For example I could write 3 
posts in a row, separated only by a few minutes, sending each one after I 
write it only to have the 3rd one show up but the first 2 I never do see no 
matter how many days I wait.  Most of the time other people can see them 
though, but on the Nord Modular mailing list I have confirmed that even that 
is not the case all the time.  People have to go back to the archives and 
there the lost posts sit but they don't show up in people's mailboxes in any 
reliable or predictable way.  This also happens on the AH list which isn't 
yahoogroups.  This kind of stuff annoys the hell out of me.  I have no idea 
what I'm missing or if others are seeing my posts.

I too will sometimes see answers before the questions are asked.

-Elhardt

My solution to the mysterious missing emails is to set my prefs to 
not receive emails at all. I just read and post messages using the 
web interface.

Moe

--- In motm@y..., elhardt@a... wrote:
> alt_mode@y... writes:
> 
> >>Are you seeing the posts actually lost or just severely delayed?  
I noticed 
> the
>  delay but I haven't seen anything lost.  Egroups had some problems 
where I 
> finally
>  got some posts over a week late but they did come through!<<
> 
> I've experienced both severly delayed and lost.  For example I 
could write 3 
> posts in a row, separated only by a few minutes, sending each one 
after I 
> write it only to have the 3rd one show up but the first 2 I never 
do see no 
> matter how many days I wait.  Most of the time other people can see 
them 
> though, but on the Nord Modular mailing list I have confirmed that 
even that 
> is not the case all the time.  People have to go back to the 
archives and 
> there the lost posts sit but they don't show up in people's 
mailboxes in any 
> reliable or predictable way.  This also happens on the AH list 
which isn't 
> yahoogroups.  This kind of stuff annoys the hell out of me.  I have 
no idea 

> what I'm missing or if others are seeing my posts.
> 
> I too will sometimes see answers before the questions are asked.
> 
> -Elhardt