MOTM

At 1:55 AM +0000 09/19/02, coyoteous wrote:
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>Well, a mixer without (summing) busses wouldn't be a mixer,
>would it? :-) I count 13 (Mono, L, R, G1-G4 and 6 auxes). If you
>mean subs, submasters or subGROUPS, there are 4. The Crest
>is intended for live use, but don't discount the sonics - they are
>top notch - way beyond the price point and it's built like a tank.

Yes, that's what I meant by busses.  I didn't notice g1-g4 when I looked at
their webpage.  Now I see they are above the main faders.  I'm going to
download the pdf manual check to see if it has a "control room" or "FOH
monitor" output in stereo.  I need to be able to monitor in stereo.

>> Right now, I am leaning towards the Allen & Heath four bus
>>(WZ14:4:2+).

Unfortunately, it won't monitor PFL (solo) in stereo.  The PFL and AFL
busses are mono.  So it's not an option.  A&H are suggesting the Wizard
20S, but "at this price point we do not have stereo input channel PFL".
Price point isn't so much the issue as physical size.

>These are nice from my recollection, I almost bought one. I
>ended up with a CAD (perhaps the biggest of all rack mixers)
>that I eventually returned because of all of it's problems (mosty
>mechanical, it sounded incredible - straight wire with gain and a
>pinch of warmth - minimal caps in the signal path - lots of servo).

CAD??

>> The Midas 160 is another option...
>
>Haven't heard it yet, people like the EQ a lot.

Yes, people do like their EQ.  However, according to their site, the
sweepable mid-low EQ only goes as low as 100Hz, and the fixed low is at
80Hz.  Sufficient for correcting off-axis mics, but a bit lacking for
producing electronic music.

>It's probably a little
>warmer than the Crest based on their bigger consoles.

FWIW, I won't make much use of the discrete mic pres.

I was wrong when I said it was too thick -- I had confused it with the TL
Audio.  Now that I've taken a closer look it might be more flexible than I
thought as well.  It is designed extremely well for live use, and seems
quite capable of running a PA much larger than one would typically connect
to a board its size.  However, I'm planning on using it for my own studio
use, so at this point I am going to keep looking.