Tony Karavidas wrote:
might think, and none of them will fit in an MOTM:
Serge makes two different units based on the Buchla 185/285, one with an
internal carrier built-in ($1,000) and another that depends on, but let's
you use, an external carrier ($1200). Either of which must be purchased as
part of a whole panel. The module with the internal carrier has 1V/oct CV
control but does not have oscillator outputs.
Analogue Systems recently announced a frequency shifter. You have to buy
their chassis to mount and power it, so in that regard it is not unlike the
Serge. It is a "clone" of the Moog/Bode 1630, and afaik no one has ever
seen one. So it is also quite similar to the vaporous Moog CE -- wondering
how much it costs is like asking how many angels can dance on the head of a
pin.
DACS makes the Freque2 for $1200. It's not similar to anything. It's a
complete unit, powered from the mains and enclosed in a 2U metal chassis.
It can be used as a frequency shifter or two separate ring modulators. The
VCO's respond to Hz/V from 0 to 15V, and all the jacks are in back, which
is less than ideal for use with an MOTM system. However, unlike all of the
other high-performance frequency shifters, it has the singularly unique
feature of actually being manufactured.
all German designers in the same basket!! While it is has the lowest
price, it can't go below the audible range _and_ its carrier suppression is
awful. This unique combination of "features" makes it absolutely useless,
imho.
perhaps the two most practical applications of a frequency shifter. At
most, dedicated feedback control units shift by only 6Hz.
figment of a microprocessor's imagination, I think Encore should add
oscillator outputs. That way you get both a frequency shifter and a
quadrature oscillator for your $400. Not to get all electro-acoustic, but
having an oscillator output would be very useful in shifting around a
particular "key", using one output against the input to "tune" noise, and
creating sounds in which the input has a mathematical relationship to its
output (where the input is the waveshaped carrier).
Will it include schematics?? While I doubt anyone would try to steal an
SMD design, the majority of MOTM builders are curious how things work.
I'm I correct in assuming that the "feedback" controls mix the outputs back
into the input??
What is the CV response of the oscillator?? Is it 1V/oct or Hz/V??
What is its carrier rejection??
Let's say you have a fox, a rabbit, and a head of lettuce...
>So it was a formant filter that went E-I-E-I-O :)
>That was OLD MacDonald (his dad!)
>Chris MacDonald is the guy that designed the MiniModular.Good for him!!
>No it't not digital. It's PURE analog. There is some cost cutting to get itUnless more showed up at the NAMM show, there are fewer choices than you
>to that price. The biggest thing is that it isn't a "through zero" type of
>shifter. I've heard both, in fact Chris has a proto of each and I thought
>for the extra trouble and cost it wasn't worth it. There are plenty of
>expensive frequency shifters out there.
might think, and none of them will fit in an MOTM:
Serge makes two different units based on the Buchla 185/285, one with an
internal carrier built-in ($1,000) and another that depends on, but let's
you use, an external carrier ($1200). Either of which must be purchased as
part of a whole panel. The module with the internal carrier has 1V/oct CV
control but does not have oscillator outputs.
Analogue Systems recently announced a frequency shifter. You have to buy
their chassis to mount and power it, so in that regard it is not unlike the
Serge. It is a "clone" of the Moog/Bode 1630, and afaik no one has ever
seen one. So it is also quite similar to the vaporous Moog CE -- wondering
how much it costs is like asking how many angels can dance on the head of a
pin.
DACS makes the Freque2 for $1200. It's not similar to anything. It's a
complete unit, powered from the mains and enclosed in a 2U metal chassis.
It can be used as a frequency shifter or two separate ring modulators. The
VCO's respond to Hz/V from 0 to 15V, and all the jacks are in back, which
is less than ideal for use with an MOTM system. However, unlike all of the
other high-performance frequency shifters, it has the singularly unique
feature of actually being manufactured.
>The other "economical" shifters don't have near the performance. ForYes, this is what I meant by "doesn't completely suck", but let's not put
>>instance, there is German frequency shifters that only goes down to 50Hz.
all German designers in the same basket!! While it is has the lowest
price, it can't go below the audible range _and_ its carrier suppression is
awful. This unique combination of "features" makes it absolutely useless,
imho.
>Mine (Chris') is about .05Hz.That's very good!!
>With a super slow shift, you get these neat continually rising sort ofYes, the Dogpoop module is useless for "phasing" and feedback control,
>effect from the audio.
perhaps the two most practical applications of a frequency shifter. At
most, dedicated feedback control units shift by only 6Hz.
>Everyone is free to comment on all of this stuff. I'm listening.First off, since it is an analogue module, and the carrier is not merely a
figment of a microprocessor's imagination, I think Encore should add
oscillator outputs. That way you get both a frequency shifter and a
quadrature oscillator for your $400. Not to get all electro-acoustic, but
having an oscillator output would be very useful in shifting around a
particular "key", using one output against the input to "tune" noise, and
creating sounds in which the input has a mathematical relationship to its
output (where the input is the waveshaped carrier).
Will it include schematics?? While I doubt anyone would try to steal an
SMD design, the majority of MOTM builders are curious how things work.
I'm I correct in assuming that the "feedback" controls mix the outputs back
into the input??
What is the CV response of the oscillator?? Is it 1V/oct or Hz/V??
What is its carrier rejection??
Let's say you have a fox, a rabbit, and a head of lettuce...