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Uriel,

 > Not at all. The trouble with you geeks is that you can't explain
 > simple ideas simply.

     I didn't read much past that.  This is a list for people that run 
mail servers.

     You don't go to Spain and expect everyone to speak German, nor do 
you walk into a 500 level engineering lecture and ask the prof to "keep 
it simple".  Every field has terms specific to that field.  If you don't 
understand the terms, bummer for you, that's what wikipedia and google 
are for.

     Since you're not a techie, and you don't seem to understand simple 
terms that relate directly to the list you're posting on, I'll make this 
simple.

     -- Stop wasting my time. --

     I get enough spam in my inbox.  I don't need your spam too.



--Ethan B.



Uriel Wittenberg wrote:

>>This has to be one of the meanest as well as completely asinine things I've 
>>seen someone say to someone who actually makes a good product. A lot of 
>>people have trouble spelling.... Now, since you have nothing constructive 
>>to say at all
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> It might help if you'd read a bit more carefully.
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> I referred to spelling errors PLUS SEMANTIC OBSCURITY.
> 
> Is this a quibble?
> 
> Not at all. The trouble with you geeks is that you can't explain simple 
> ideas simply. And you have no imagination. You assume that the disgusting, 
> crappy systems you work with, with all their ludicrous, arbitrary 
> limitations and defects, HAVE to be that way. You're incapable of 
> comprehending original ideas for doing things a better way.
> 
> And your unintelligibility is one of the basic reasons why spam exists at 
> all. If you could communicate with human beings, then maybe normal people, 
> not just you geeks, would understand the truth: Spam could be ERADICATED. 
> Then maybe there'd be hope that the proper legislation would be passed to 
> accomplish it.
> 
> But I know most techies are happy collecting salaries for jobs that are 
> fundamentally a waste of time and wouldn't exist at all if things were set 
> up more rationally and efficiently.
> 
> You're right, I've never run a mail server. So what? When I was a software 
> developer I was always able to make myself coherent to lay people. But most 
> techies just can't believe that anyone could fail to know what a DNSRBL is.
> 
> Take your own message:
> 
> 
>>that computer, which I've allowed to send mail from my mail servers because 
>>they're one of my customers, is sending spam messages through my server. My 
>>server all of a sudden gets blacklisted.
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> 
> We were talking about spammers with working return addresses (which get 
> blacklisted between send and re-try). So I was thinking of blacklisting a 
> spammer's email address, not the whole server he's sending from.
> 
> If you run servers that are potential sources of spam, I'd like you to 
> explain why you can't have an automatic process that alerts you when a user 
> has a high volume of outgoing mail. Why can't you have a bell ring when 
> probable spamming is detected -- so someone can promptly look at it and see 
> at a glance if it's spam or not? 30,000 users? How often does one of them 
> become a spammer? You really can't stop this?
> 
> 
>>according to your plan, all other ISPs that use this blacklist must go 
>>through and find all the messages....
> 
> 
> You seem to have some very labor-intensive procedure in mind, akin to that 
> performed by 18'th century clerks. Did I need to spell out that I meant an 
> AUTOMATIC process?
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> 
>>... that are still either in their queue's(not likely) or have been 
>>delivered locally on their system.
> 
> 
> What can you mean?? If it's been "delivered locally" to the end-user, then 
> it's gone, and I absolve the ISP of any responsibility. I merely said the 
> ISP should delete PENDING email.
> 
> You say "not likely." Your reasons are a mystery. The likelihood is a 
> function of the user's frequency in retrieving his email.
> 
> 
>>This is also hoping that the messages haven't been downloaded to their 
>>MUA(Outlook or OE or Thunderbird).
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> I'm not "hoping" anything.
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> 
>>spent the 2-3 hours at least to find the messages that have come from my 
>>server
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> 
> It has always amazed me how techie people accept it as a law of nature when 
> their deficient systems require them to perform unbelievably inefficient, 
> clerical, time-wasting procedures. They're techies! Yet they can't 
> understand which jobs are fit for machines and which for humans.
> 
> 
>>they also have to parse each message, take the email address from the From: 
>>header, which may or may not be the one that was given in the envelope 
>>session, and send that person an email stating that this message has been 
>>deleted.
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> Ditto.
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> 
>>If my server were blacklisted, then the server that it would be sending to 
>>would say "I'm sorry. You're blacklisted. I can't accept mail from you" 
>>Then it would be up to my server to say that to the person that sent the 
>>email.
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> 
> So this happens to your 30,000 users when a single one of them gets his 
> computer hijacked? I hope you offer good prices.
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