Korg Poly800/EX800 Users

>
> Maybe I'm the exception, but I haven't noticed it. Perhaps I play ahead of the sound like a pipe organist.
> What's the alternative? Let the user pick and choose which features the firmware includes? Sounds like a administrative nightmare for you.
> This synth is 25 years old, for crying out loud. You're lucky to find ones that still work. I'm amazed at what you've been able to do with this antiquated technology. If the original Poly is the center of your keyboard rig, perhaps it's time you graduated to something newer. As for me, I find I have begun playing the Poly again after it sat gathering dust for many years.
> -Craig
>

>
> Maybe I'm the exception, but I haven't noticed it. Perhaps I play ahead of the sound like a pipe organist.
> What's the alternative? Let the user pick and choose which features the firmware includes? Sounds like a administrative nightmare for you.
> This synth is 25 years old, for crying out loud. You're lucky to find ones that still work. I'm amazed at what you've been able to do with this antiquated technology. If the original Poly is the center of your keyboard rig, perhaps it's time you graduated to something newer. As for me, I find I have begun playing the Poly again after it sat gathering dust for many years.
> -Craig
>

>
> Tim, Craig,
> 
> I hope you don't mind but I would like to take your emails and use them in an FAQ for my web pages that discusses the lag. I don't want to run into unhappy customers where they don't realize that there will be some additional lag.
> 
> Until I measured it last night, I didn't realize it was 50mS slower than the original Poly. So it seems fair to make sure that potential customers know that.
> 
> But your emails put the situation into the right context. Which is something like, "Yeah, the HAWK rocks, I didn't notice the lag, but it is there, and it doesn't seem to bother me. The extra features are well worth the trouble of some extra lag."
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Tim <gilburpgrape@...>
> To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, February 24, 2010 8:19:06 AM
> Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: Lag in the HAWK-800
> 
>   
> Hi all,
> 
> I have not come across any noticeable lag in my use of the Hawk 800/Atomahawk equipped Poly 800 Mk1's also!
> 
> Playing it's own keyboard or triggering from my Behringer uma25s midi keyboard controller (via an edirol um2ex midi/usb interface)still gives me nothing noticeably near that sort of lag time.
> 
> Granted, I have never given the sequencer or the velocity sensitive operators a run around the block yet since it's upgrade so I can't comment if that's the culprit but I use all other functions and have not picked up any obvious lag time.
> 
> I personally think my Poly's have progressed in leaps and bounds with the upgrade kits and the only unfortunate thing is that my friends are not sythesizer inclined so I can't really recommend the product to them otherwise I would.
> 
> Keep up the good work Mike.
> 
> Tim
> 
> --- In korgpolyex@yahoogro ups.com, "honod3k" <cbluff@> wrote:
> >
> > Maybe I'm the exception, but I haven't noticed it. Perhaps I play ahead of the sound like a pipe organist.
> > What's the alternative? Let the user pick and choose which features the firmware includes? Sounds like a administrative nightmare for you.
> > This synth is 25 years old, for crying out loud. You're lucky to find ones that still work. I'm amazed at what you've been able to do with this antiquated technology. If the original Poly is the center of your keyboard rig, perhaps it's time you graduated to something newer. As for me, I find I have begun playing the Poly again after it sat gathering dust for many years.
> > -Craig
> >
>

>
> Hi Poly fans,
> 
> I have been measuring the lag in the HAWK-800 compared to the original Poly-800 and I have found that there is about 40-50mS of lag introduced by all of the extra work the CPU is doing with the new features.
> 
> One of my newest customers is quiet flustered that this lag is present.
> 
> Since there are about 50 HAWK customers out there, what do you all think of that extra lag? If you discovered it, what did you do to work around it?
> 
> Does it make your Poly-800 unplayable as my new customer suggests?
> 
> I know I could probably wrench some better response out of the software but I just don't think I will get much better performance.
> 
> I am little worried that I may get a bad reputation for having produced a kit that slows down Poly that much.
> 
> Help!
> 
> Mike.
>

>
> Hi Poly fans,
> 
> I have been measuring the lag in the HAWK-800 compared to the original Poly-800 and I have found that there is about 40-50mS of lag introduced by all of the extra work the CPU is doing with the new features.
> 
> One of my newest customers is quiet flustered that this lag is present.
> 
> Since there are about 50 HAWK customers out there, what do you all think of that extra lag? If you discovered it, what did you do to work around it?
> 
> Does it make your Poly-800 unplayable as my new customer suggests?
> 
> I know I could probably wrench some better response out of the software but I just don't think I will get much better performance.
> 
> I am little worried that I may get a bad reputation for having produced a kit that slows down Poly that much.
> 
> Help!
> 
> Mike.
>

>
> At the risk of offending the newbie since they may be a member here I say poppycock to the unnoticeable delay. Although I play my 2 Strats through Roland and Digitech pitch to midi gear and can anticipate the delay I don't have a problem with the Hawk upgrades to the Poly. I can also compare it to the stock EX-800 I have. I don't find myself compensating like I do with the guitars either. I mainly play progressive rock and although I don't blast riffs like Jan Hammer or Jordan Rudess I still can cover most solos on the keys.
> 
> The original Poly-800 cost what, $800.00 US. There were many synths from the 80's that had major bugs. There were noticeably slow ones too. The Yamaha TX81Z $550.00 sent corrupted sysex dumps. The Roland D-20 $1900.00 would totally lock up until the battery was removed if it received a bad sysex dump. The Ensoniq VFX-SD $2700 would crash and corrupt the sequencer OS until it was reloaded. And the list goes on. All of these synths were factory produced. 
> 
> I'll take the Hawk-800's extended midi control, looping envelopes, Atomahawk digitally controlled mods, velocity response, and sequencer on the fly options any day.   
> 
> --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Poly fans,
> > 
> > I have been measuring the lag in the HAWK-800 compared to the original Poly-800 and I have found that there is about 40-50mS of lag introduced by all of the extra work the CPU is doing with the new features.
> > 
> > One of my newest customers is quiet flustered that this lag is present.
> > 
> > Since there are about 50 HAWK customers out there, what do you all think of that extra lag? If you discovered it, what did you do to work around it?
> > 
> > Does it make your Poly-800 unplayable as my new customer suggests?
> > 
> > I know I could probably wrench some better response out of the software but I just don't think I will get much better performance.
> > 
> > I am little worried that I may get a bad reputation for having produced a kit that slows down Poly that much.
> > 
> > Help!
> > 
> > Mike.
> >
>

>
> Tim, Craig,
> 
> I hope you don't mind but I would like to take your emails and use them in an FAQ for my web pages that discusses the lag. I don't want to run into unhappy customers where they don't realize that there will be some additional lag.
> 
> Until I measured it last night, I didn't realize it was 50mS slower than the original Poly. So it seems fair to make sure that potential customers know that.
> 
> But your emails put the situation into the right context. Which is something like, "Yeah, the HAWK rocks, I didn't notice the lag, but it is there, and it doesn't seem to bother me. The extra features are well worth the trouble of some extra lag."
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Tim <gilburpgrape@...>
> To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, February 24, 2010 8:19:06 AM
> Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: Lag in the HAWK-800
> 
>   
> Hi all,
> 
> I have not come across any noticeable lag in my use of the Hawk 800/Atomahawk equipped Poly 800 Mk1's also!
> 
> Playing it's own keyboard or triggering from my Behringer uma25s midi keyboard controller (via an edirol um2ex midi/usb interface)still gives me nothing noticeably near that sort of lag time.
> 
> Granted, I have never given the sequencer or the velocity sensitive operators a run around the block yet since it's upgrade so I can't comment if that's the culprit but I use all other functions and have not picked up any obvious lag time.
> 
> I personally think my Poly's have progressed in leaps and bounds with the upgrade kits and the only unfortunate thing is that my friends are not sythesizer inclined so I can't really recommend the product to them otherwise I would.
> 
> Keep up the good work Mike.
> 
> Tim
> 
> --- In korgpolyex@yahoogro ups.com, "honod3k" <cbluff@> wrote:
> >
> > Maybe I'm the exception, but I haven't noticed it. Perhaps I play ahead of the sound like a pipe organist.
> > What's the alternative? Let the user pick and choose which features the firmware includes? Sounds like a administrative nightmare for you.
> > This synth is 25 years old, for crying out loud. You're lucky to find ones that still work. I'm amazed at what you've been able to do with this antiquated technology. If the original Poly is the center of your keyboard rig, perhaps it's time you graduated to something newer. As for me, I find I have begun playing the Poly again after it sat gathering dust for many years.
> > -Craig
> >
>

>
> Tim, Craig,
> 
> I hope you don't mind but I would like to take your emails and use them in an FAQ for my web pages that discusses the lag. I don't want to run into unhappy customers where they don't realize that there will be some additional lag.
> 
> Until I measured it last night, I didn't realize it was 50mS slower than the original Poly. So it seems fair to make sure that potential customers know that.
> 
> But your emails put the situation into the right context. Which is something like, "Yeah, the HAWK rocks, I didn't notice the lag, but it is there, and it doesn't seem to bother me. The extra features are well worth the trouble of some extra lag."
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: Tim <gilburpgrape@ ...>
> To: korgpolyex@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Wed, February 24, 2010 8:19:06 AM
> Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: Lag in the HAWK-800
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I have not come across any noticeable lag in my use of the Hawk 800/Atomahawk equipped Poly 800 Mk1's also!
> 
> Playing it's own keyboard or triggering from my Behringer uma25s midi keyboard controller (via an edirol um2ex midi/usb interface)still gives me nothing noticeably near that sort of lag time.
> 
> Granted, I have never given the sequencer or the velocity sensitive operators a run around the block yet since it's upgrade so I can't comment if that's the culprit but I use all other functions and have not picked up any obvious lag time.
> 
> I personally think my Poly's have progressed in leaps and bounds with the upgrade kits and the only unfortunate thing is that my friends are not sythesizer inclined so I can't really recommend the product to them otherwise I would.
> 
> Keep up the good work Mike.
> 
> Tim
> 
> --- In korgpolyex@yahoogro ups.com, "honod3k" <cbluff@> wrote:
> >
> > Maybe I'm the exception, but I haven't noticed it. Perhaps I play ahead of the sound like a pipe organist.
> > What's the alternative? Let the user pick and choose which features the firmware includes? Sounds like a administrative nightmare for you.
> > This synth is 25 years old, for crying out loud. You're lucky to find ones that still work. I'm amazed at what you've been able to do with this antiquated technology. If the original Poly is the center of your keyboard rig, perhaps it's time you graduated to something newer. As for me, I find I have begun playing the Poly again after it sat gathering dust for many years.
> > -Craig
> >
>

>
> Well to be honest, I can hear 50mS when I line up two sounds in left and right. It's not easy but you can hear it.
> 
> I did some testing on Tuesday night and found that the lag is noticeable when I put a original Poly-800 next to a HAWK Poly-800.
> 
> I had a look at the software last night and I am reasonably certain that I can make a great improvement on it. I imagine I will be able to get it to within about 10-20mS of the original Poly-800 response.
> 
> So once again, I will go back and do a bit more work on the code and see what comes out of it.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: zoinky420 <zoinky420@...>
> To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 12:53:15 AM
> Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: Lag in the HAWK-800
> 
>   
> Milliseconds are one-thousandth of a second, so this leg is a tenth of a half of a second.  I'd like to hear from the guy who complained about the lag and claims it makes it 'unusable' as to what he's doing that this lag really makes a difference. I find it hard to believe that anything happening 50ms offbeat is going to be audibly noticable as off-beat. 
> 
> --- In korgpolyex@yahoogro ups.com, Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Tim, Craig,
> > 
> > I hope you don't mind but I would like to take your emails and use them in an FAQ for my web pages that discusses the lag. I don't want to run into unhappy customers where they don't realize that there will be some additional lag.
> > 
> > Until I measured it last night, I didn't realize it was 50mS slower than the original Poly. So it seems fair to make sure that potential customers know that.
> > 
> > But your emails put the situation into the right context. Which is something like, "Yeah, the HAWK rocks, I didn't notice the lag, but it is there, and it doesn't seem to bother me. The extra features are well worth the trouble of some extra lag."
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > From: Tim <gilburpgrape@ ...>
> > To: korgpolyex@yahoogro ups.com
> > Sent: Wed, February 24, 2010 8:19:06 AM
> > Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: Lag in the HAWK-800
> > 
> > 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I have not come across any noticeable lag in my use of the Hawk 800/Atomahawk equipped Poly 800 Mk1's also!
> > 
> > Playing it's own keyboard or triggering from my Behringer uma25s midi keyboard controller (via an edirol um2ex midi/usb interface)still gives me nothing noticeably near that sort of lag time.
> > 
> > Granted, I have never given the sequencer or the velocity sensitive operators a run around the block yet since it's upgrade so I can't comment if that's the culprit but I use all other functions and have not picked up any obvious lag time.
> > 
> > I personally think my Poly's have progressed in leaps and bounds with the upgrade kits and the only unfortunate thing is that my friends are not sythesizer inclined so I can't really recommend the product to them otherwise I would.
> > 
> > Keep up the good work Mike.
> > 
> > Tim
> > 
> > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogro ups.com, "honod3k" <cbluff@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Maybe I'm the exception, but I haven't noticed it. Perhaps I play ahead of the sound like a pipe organist.
> > > What's the alternative? Let the user pick and choose which features the firmware includes? Sounds like a administrative nightmare for you.
> > > This synth is 25 years old, for crying out loud. You're lucky to find ones that still work. I'm amazed at what you've been able to do with this antiquated technology. If the original Poly is the center of your keyboard rig, perhaps it's time you graduated to something newer. As for me, I find I have begun playing the Poly again after it sat gathering dust for many years.
> > > -Craig
> > >
> >
>

>
> Tim, Craig,
> 
> I hope you don't mind but I would like to take your emails and use them in an FAQ for my web pages that discusses the lag. I don't want to run into unhappy customers where they don't realize that there will be some additional lag.
> 
> Until I measured it last night, I didn't realize it was 50mS slower than the original Poly. So it seems fair to make sure that potential customers know that.
> 
> But your emails put the situation into the right context. Which is something like, "Yeah, the HAWK rocks, I didn't notice the lag, but it is there, and it doesn't seem to bother me. The extra features are well worth the trouble of some extra lag."
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: Tim <gilburpgrape@ ...>
> To: korgpolyex@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Wed, February 24, 2010 8:19:06 AM
> Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: Lag in the HAWK-800
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I have not come across any noticeable lag in my use of the Hawk 800/Atomahawk equipped Poly 800 Mk1's also!
> 
> Playing it's own keyboard or triggering from my Behringer uma25s midi keyboard controller (via an edirol um2ex midi/usb interface)still gives me nothing noticeably near that sort of lag time.
> 
> Granted, I have never given the sequencer or the velocity sensitive operators a run around the block yet since it's upgrade so I can't comment if that's the culprit but I use all other functions and have not picked up any obvious lag time.
> 
> I personally think my Poly's have progressed in leaps and bounds with the upgrade kits and the only unfortunate thing is that my friends are not sythesizer inclined so I can't really recommend the product to them otherwise I would.
> 
> Keep up the good work Mike.
> 
> Tim
> 
> --- In korgpolyex@yahoogro ups.com, "honod3k" <cbluff@> wrote:
> >
> > Maybe I'm the exception, but I haven't noticed it. Perhaps I play ahead of the sound like a pipe organist.
> > What's the alternative? Let the user pick and choose which features the firmware includes? Sounds like a administrative nightmare for you.
> > This synth is 25 years old, for crying out loud. You're lucky to find ones that still work. I'm amazed at what you've been able to do with this antiquated technology. If the original Poly is the center of your keyboard rig, perhaps it's time you graduated to something newer. As for me, I find I have begun playing the Poly again after it sat gathering dust for many years.
> > -Craig
> >
>

From: > zoinky420 <zoinky420@yahoo. com>
>To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 12:53:15 AM
>Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: Lag in the HAWK-800
>
>  >
>
> 
>>      
> 
>Milliseconds are one-thousandth of a second, so this leg is a tenth of a half of a second.  I'd like to hear from the guy who complained about the lag and claims it makes it 'unusable' as to what he's doing that this lag really makes a difference. I find it hard to believe that anything happening 50ms offbeat is going to be audibly noticable as off-beat. 
>
>>--- In korgpolyex@yahoogro ups.com, Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@ ...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Tim, Craig,
>>> 
>>> I hope you don't mind but I would like to take your emails and use them in an FAQ for my web pages that discusses the lag. I don't want to run into unhappy customers where they don't realize that there will be some additional lag.
>>> 
>>> Until I measured it last night, I didn't realize it was 50mS slower than the original Poly. So it seems fair to make sure that potential customers know that.
>>> 
>>> But your emails put the situation into the right context. Which is something like, "Yeah, the HAWK rocks, I didn't notice the lag, but it is there, and it doesn't seem to bother me. The extra features are well worth the trouble of some extra lag."
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ____________ _________ _________ __
>>> From: Tim <gilburpgrape@ ...>
>>> To: korgpolyex@yahoogro ups.com
>>> Sent: Wed, February 24, 2010 8:19:06 AM
>>> Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: Lag in the HAWK-800
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I have not come across any noticeable lag in my use of the Hawk 800/Atomahawk equipped Poly 800 Mk1's also!
>>> 
>>> Playing it's own keyboard or triggering from my Behringer uma25s midi keyboard controller (via an edirol um2ex midi/usb interface)still gives me nothing noticeably near that sort of lag time.
>>> 
>>> Granted, I have never given the sequencer or the velocity sensitive operators a run around the block yet since it's upgrade so I can't comment if that's the culprit but I use all other functions and have not picked up any obvious lag time.
>>> 
>>> I personally think my Poly's have progressed in leaps and bounds with the upgrade kits and the only unfortunate thing is that my friends are not sythesizer inclined so I can't really recommend the product to them otherwise I would.
>>> 
>>> Keep up the good work Mike.
>>> 
>>> Tim
>>> 
>>> --- In korgpolyex@yahoogro ups.com, "honod3k" <cbluff@> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Maybe I'm the exception, but I haven't noticed it. Perhaps I play ahead of the sound like a pipe organist.
>>> > What's the alternative? Let the user pick and choose which features the firmware includes? Sounds like a administrative nightmare for you.
>>> > This synth is 25 years old, for crying out loud. You're lucky to find ones that still work. I'm amazed at what you've been able to do with this antiquated technology. If the original Poly is the center of your keyboard rig, perhaps it's time you graduated to something newer. As for me, I find I have begun playing the Poly again after it sat gathering dust for many years.
>>> > -Craig
>>> >
>>>
>
>
>

From: altusmirai <siraltus@...>
To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 10:16:39 AM
Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: Lag in the HAWK-800

  
I run a massive production studio and just recently did a track with the Hawked Poly800mk2 playing the main riff and I heard no lag (and I'm pretty anal about these kinds of things). Maybe this is more pronounced on Poly800mk1/EX- 800 due to different hardware?

Here's the track with the Poly800mk2 BTW if anyone's curious:

http://soundcloud. com/siraltus/ rob-hubbard- jet-set-willy- serge-p-remix

--Serge