Korg Poly800/EX800 Users

off topic, but since we've been talking about the TB-303, the wikipedia
page is entertaining - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_TB-303

make sure to check out this section -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_TB-303#External_links
some of those links are totally nuts, like bach & mozart on a 303.
hopefully they'll be of use in taking the hawk-800 "to the next level".


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----- Original Message -----

From: Atom Smasher

To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 3:38 AM

Subject: [korgpolyex] OT - 303

off topic, but since we've been talking about the TB-303, the wikipedia
page is entertaining - http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Roland_TB- 303

make sure to check out this section -
http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Roland_TB- 303#External_ links
some of those links are totally nuts, like bach & mozart on a 303.
hopefully they'll be of use in taking the hawk-800 "to the next level".

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"If the world were merely seductive, that would be easy.
If it were merely challenging, that would be no problem.
But I arise in the morning torn between a desire to
improve the world, and a desire to enjoy the world. This
makes it hard to plan the day."
-- E.B. White

HI Dave,

no, the DCO's are operating using one master clock so you can't
modulate DCO1 separate from DCO2. Sorry about that.

The HAWK-800 already allows you to apply EG3 (and 4 when I implement
it) to the DCO pitch. I must do a demo of that as it's very nice indeed.

The ARP stays on the priority list.

Mike

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "David Mochen" <davidmochen@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Mike, I've been checking the completed features in the Hawk 800
site and am not sure about this:
>
> Can the LFOs be applied on a "per DCO" basis? Say, for instance, I
want to apply one specific LFO speed, depth, delay to just one of the
DCOs, NOT the two DCOs at the same time, or apply wildly different LFO
settings for each DCO on an independent basis. Please enlighten me,
since I'm really planning to order the Hawk and aTomaHawk kits.
>
> And, about the arp vs. sequencer debate: I'm all for the arp. And a
way to control DCO pitch with EG3 or EG4 , when available, not to
mention velocity sensitivity...
>
> Judging from the latest audio clips I can envision LOTS of potential
in our Korgs.
>
> thanks!
>
> Dave
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Atom Smasher
> To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 3:38 AM
> Subject: [korgpolyex] OT - 303
>
>
> off topic, but since we've been talking about the TB-303, the
wikipedia
> page is entertaining - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_TB-303
>
> make sure to check out this section -
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_TB-303#External_links
> some of those links are totally nuts, like bach & mozart on a 303.
> hopefully they'll be of use in taking the hawk-800 "to the next
level".
>
> --
> ...atom
>
> ________________________
> http://atom.smasher.org/
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> -------------------------------------------------
>
> "If the world were merely seductive, that would be easy.
> If it were merely challenging, that would be no problem.
> But I arise in the morning torn between a desire to
> improve the world, and a desire to enjoy the world. This
> makes it hard to plan the day."
> -- E.B. White
>

----- Original Message -----

From: korgpolyex800

To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:45 PM

Subject: [korgpolyex] ARP, DCO and EG3

HI Dave,

no, the DCO's are operating using one master clock so you can't
modulate DCO1 separate from DCO2. Sorry about that.

The HAWK-800 already allows you to apply EG3 (and 4 when I implement
it) to the DCO pitch. I must do a demo of that as it's very nice indeed.

The ARP stays on the priority list.

Mike

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogro ups.com, "David Mochen" <davidmochen@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hi Mike, I've been checking the completed features in the Hawk 800
site and am not sure about this:
>
> Can the LFOs be applied on a "per DCO" basis? Say, for instance, I
want to apply one specific LFO speed, depth, delay to just one of the
DCOs, NOT the two DCOs at the same time, or apply wildly different LFO
settings for each DCO on an independent basis. Please enlighten me,
since I'm really planning to order the Hawk and aTomaHawk kits.
>
> And, about the arp vs. sequencer debate: I'm all for the arp. And a
way to control DCO pitch with EG3 or EG4 , when available, not to
mention velocity sensitivity. ..
>
> Judging from the latest audio clips I can envision LOTS of potential
in our Korgs.
>
> thanks!
>
> Dave
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Atom Smasher
> To: korgpolyex@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 3:38 AM
> Subject: [korgpolyex] OT - 303
>
>
> off topic, but since we've been talking about the TB-303, the
wikipedia
> page is entertaining - http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Roland_TB- 303
>
> make sure to check out this section -
> http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Roland_TB- 303#External_ links
> some of those links are totally nuts, like bach & mozart on a 303.
> hopefully they'll be of use in taking the hawk-800 "to the next
level".
>
> --
> ...atom
>
> ____________ _________ ___
> http://atom. smasher.org/
> 762A 3B98 A3C3 96C9 C6B7 582A B88D 52E4 D9F5 7808
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -
>
> "If the world were merely seductive, that would be easy.
> If it were merely challenging, that would be no problem.
> But I arise in the morning torn between a desire to
> improve the world, and a desire to enjoy the world. This
> makes it hard to plan the day."
> -- E.B. White
>

That is precisely the case.

One master clock = One bend.

Just so you know, I did contemplate building a second master
oscillator. But then, I would also have to build a new pair of digital
to analog converters or atleast build a new sample and hold that would
split the existing pitch bend into two, one for each OSC.

The end result is that I decided I against because of CPU cycles and
hardware and I'll end up dead of old age before this is all over with.

So I figure I am going to build my own synth pretty soon.

Mike.

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Alex Drinkwater <the_voder@...> wrote:
>
>
> On 15 Nov 2008, at 18:48, David Mochen wrote:
>
> > Hi there Mike!
> >
> > Thanks for your reply. Glad to hear that DCO pitch can be controlled
> > by EG3. Now the question is... hard-wired to both DCO's, or can the
> > EG3 > pitch can be applied selectively on one of the DCOs?
>
> I imagine the answer to that one is also 'no'. Since both oscillators'
> pitch is locked to a single master oscillator, you're not going to be
> able to alter the pitch of one of the oscillators in any way without
> also changing the pitch of the other.
>
> a|x
>
>
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: korgpolyex800
> > To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:45 PM
> > Subject: [korgpolyex] ARP, DCO and EG3
> >
> > HI Dave,
> >
> > no, the DCO's are operating using one master clock so you can't
> > modulate DCO1 separate from DCO2. Sorry about that.
> >
> > The HAWK-800 already allows you to apply EG3 (and 4 when I implement
> > it) to the DCO pitch. I must do a demo of that as it's very nice
> > indeed.
> >
> > The ARP stays on the priority list.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "David Mochen" <davidmochen@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Mike, I've been checking the completed features in the Hawk 800
> > site and am not sure about this:
> > >
> > > Can the LFOs be applied on a "per DCO" basis? Say, for instance, I
> > want to apply one specific LFO speed, depth, delay to just one of the
> > DCOs, NOT the two DCOs at the same time, or apply wildly different LFO
> > settings for each DCO on an independent basis. Please enlighten me,
> > since I'm really planning to order the Hawk and aTomaHawk kits.
> > >
> > > And, about the arp vs. sequencer debate: I'm all for the arp. And a
> > way to control DCO pitch with EG3 or EG4 , when available, not to
> > mention velocity sensitivity...
> > >
> > > Judging from the latest audio clips I can envision LOTS of potential
> > in our Korgs.
> > >
> > > thanks!
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Atom Smasher
> > > To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 3:38 AM
> > > Subject: [korgpolyex] OT - 303
> > >
> > >
> > > off topic, but since we've been talking about the TB-303, the
> > wikipedia
> > > page is entertaining - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_TB-303
> > >
> > > make sure to check out this section -
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_TB-303#External_links
> > > some of those links are totally nuts, like bach & mozart on a 303.
> > > hopefully they'll be of use in taking the hawk-800 "to the next
> > level".
> > >
> > > --
> > > ...atom
> > >
> > > ________________________
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> > > -------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > "If the world were merely seductive, that would be easy.
> > > If it were merely challenging, that would be no problem.
> > > But I arise in the morning torn between a desire to
> > > improve the world, and a desire to enjoy the world. This
> > > makes it hard to plan the day."
> > > -- E.B. White
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008, korgpolyex800 wrote:

> That is precisely the case.
>
> One master clock = One bend.

====================

there's a detune parameter, right? would it be feasible to assign
modulation (ENV, LFO, etc) to the detune?

that would effectively allow the desired result... or would that also have
too much coding/CPU overheard? or would it produce a zipper, which would
sound like crap (zipper on some parameters could sound funky, but on a DCO
tune it would sound like crap)?

thanks...


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Detune only has 3 steps though.

a|x

On 15 Nov 2008, at 20:00, Atom Smasher wrote:

> On Sat, 15 Nov 2008, korgpolyex800 wrote:
>
>> That is precisely the case.
>>
>> One master clock = One bend.
> ====================
>
> there's a detune parameter, right? would it be feasible to assign
> modulation (ENV, LFO, etc) to the detune?
>
> that would effectively allow the desired result... or would that
> also have
> too much coding/CPU overheard? or would it produce a zipper, which
> would
> sound like crap (zipper on some parameters could sound funky, but on
> a DCO
> tune it would sound like crap)?
>
> thanks...
>
>
> --
> ...atom
>
> ________________________
> http://atom.smasher.org/
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>
> "According to the Environmental Protection Agency, factory farming
> pollutes U.S. waterways more than all industrial sources combined."
> -- PETA
>
> "The livestock sector is a major player [in climate change],
> responsible for 18% of greenhouse gas emissions measured in
> CO2 equivalent. This is a higher share than transport."
> -- Livestock's long shadow, 2006
> UN report sponsored by WTO, EU, AS-AID, FAO, et al
>
>
>
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2008, Alex Drinkwater wrote:

> Detune only has 3 steps though.

==============

in the original firmware, yes....


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The detune is a nasty little shift register used to modulate the phase
of the master. The master clock always goes into DCO1 and the awfully
phase shifted clock goes into DCO2.

It's just awful but it does work.

But it doesn't remotely resemble pitch modulation.

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Atom Smasher <atom@...> wrote:
>
> On Sat, 15 Nov 2008, korgpolyex800 wrote:
>
> > That is precisely the case.
> >
> > One master clock = One bend.
> ====================
>
> there's a detune parameter, right? would it be feasible to assign
> modulation (ENV, LFO, etc) to the detune?
>
> that would effectively allow the desired result... or would that
also have
> too much coding/CPU overheard? or would it produce a zipper, which
would
> sound like crap (zipper on some parameters could sound funky, but on
a DCO
> tune it would sound like crap)?
>
> thanks...
>
>
> --
> ...atom
>
> ________________________
> http://atom.smasher.org/
> 762A 3B98 A3C3 96C9 C6B7 582A B88D 52E4 D9F5 7808
> -------------------------------------------------
>
> "According to the Environmental Protection Agency, factory farming
> pollutes U.S. waterways more than all industrial sources combined."
> -- PETA
>
> "The livestock sector is a major player [in climate change],
> responsible for 18% of greenhouse gas emissions measured in
> CO2 equivalent. This is a higher share than transport."
> -- Livestock's long shadow, 2006
> UN report sponsored by WTO, EU, AS-AID, FAO, et al
>

----- Original Message -----

From: korgpolyex800

To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 5:16 PM

Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: ARP, DCO and EG3

The detune is a nasty little shift register used to modulate the phase
of the master. The master clock always goes into DCO1 and the awfully
phase shifted clock goes into DCO2.

It's just awful but it does work.

But it doesn't remotely resemble pitch modulation.

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogro ups.com, Atom Smasher <atom@...> wrote:
>
> On Sat, 15 Nov 2008, korgpolyex800 wrote:
>
> > That is precisely the case.
> >
> > One master clock = One bend.
> ============ ========
>
> there's a detune parameter, right? would it be feasible to assign
> modulation (ENV, LFO, etc) to the detune?
>
> that would effectively allow the desired result... or would that
also have
> too much coding/CPU overheard? or would it produce a zipper, which
would
> sound like crap (zipper on some parameters could sound funky, but on
a DCO
> tune it would sound like crap)?
>
> thanks...
>
>
> --
> ...atom
>
> ____________ _________ ___
> http://atom. smasher.org/
> 762A 3B98 A3C3 96C9 C6B7 582A B88D 52E4 D9F5 7808
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -
>
> "According to the Environmental Protection Agency, factory farming
> pollutes U.S. waterways more than all industrial sources combined."
> -- PETA
>
> "The livestock sector is a major player [in climate change],
> responsible for 18% of greenhouse gas emissions measured in
> CO2 equivalent. This is a higher share than transport."
> -- Livestock's long shadow, 2006
> UN report sponsored by WTO, EU, AS-AID, FAO, et al
>