Korg Poly800/EX800 Users

Hi there Poly fans,

Check out my web site which has some more details on the progress of
my disassembly project.

The more time I spend on this the more I think portamento is very,
very doable.

And also, I am finding that the disassembler I'm using, along with a
few hours here and there, is quite enough for me to think I'm making
some real progress which is all I need to keep my optimism up.

Sticking with this is nothing more than a labor of love.

Some early successes here is that the MIDI part of the machine code is
so compact that it is going to be quite easy to remap the UART into a
different address location. That will give the needed 8K of space for
an additional ROM. Also, the space inside the 8K boundary above the 2K
6116 RAM is completely unused so replacing it with an 8K 6264 is going
to be relatively easy.

Check out my page so far: http://patrioticduo.tripod.com/id7.html

Mike H.

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--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, music tec <musictec1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, just to let you know that i am into this. not that i have any
expertise, or
> that i've had the chance to follow these postings back to their
origin yet -
> as i have around 600 emails from this group to look through.
> i assume you're trying to hack this box like a games console, right?
> yeah, go for it! have to check your site and see what you're up to.
> this by way of encouragement/moral support!!!!
> so, i would assume your quest is:
> a bank of midi cc's/mono/sync/unison/ringmod?
> perhaps sysex control/interface??
> i am very fond of my ex800, but it did seem less usable than the
> juno, because of the awkward interface, but it's so compact and
> funky looking, it's still with me.
> keep up the good work
> regards
> D
>
> patrioticduo <patrioticduo@...> wrote:
> Hi there Poly fans,
>
> Check out my web site which has some more details on the progress of
> my disassembly project.
>
> The more time I spend on this the more I think portamento is very,
> very doable.
>
> And also, I am finding that the disassembler I'm using, along with a
> few hours here and there, is quite enough for me to think I'm making
> some real progress which is all I need to keep my optimism up.
>
> Sticking with this is nothing more than a labor of love.
>
> Some early successes here is that the MIDI part of the machine code is
> so compact that it is going to be quite easy to remap the UART into a
> different address location. That will give the needed 8K of space for
> an additional ROM. Also, the space inside the 8K boundary above the 2K
> 6116 RAM is completely unused so replacing it with an 8K 6264 is going
> to be relatively easy.
>
> Check out my page so far: http://patrioticduo.tripod.com/id7.html
>
> Mike H.
>
>
>
>
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On 23/05/2006, at 8:30 PM, patrioticduo wrote:


> Thanks for the moral support. You always need that when you take on
> disassembly of 8K of machine code.
>
> I think you might be talking about hacking the old Taito arcade
> machines. And yes, that would be a fair analogy. Although I am not
> writing an emulator like MAME.
>
> What I am actually doing is trying to put additional features into the
> Poly and EX. We already know that ROM capacity is the major
> restriction. RAM is also rather short. So adding 8K of RAM and 8K of
> ROM is going to be necessary. But once we get that extra memory we
> will be in a excellent position to start adding some great new
> features. Although we will have be careful not to overload the CPU
> itself.
>
> How about a fourth EG so that noise the filter are separately
> controlled with their own EG's?
>
> And what if we had a fifth EG for resonance. And a six for Ring Mod.
> And programmable 24db/12db filter setting?
>
> Mike H.
>
> --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, music tec <musictec1@...> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Hi, just to let you know that i am into this. not that i have any
>>
>>
> expertise, or
>
>
>> that i've had the chance to follow these postings back to their
>>
>>
> origin yet -
>
>
>> as i have around 600 emails from this group to look through.
>> i assume you're trying to hack this box like a games console,
>> right?
>> yeah, go for it! have to check your site and see what you're up to.
>> this by way of encouragement/moral support!!!!
>> so, i would assume your quest is:
>> a bank of midi cc's/mono/sync/unison/ringmod?
>> perhaps sysex control/interface??
>> i am very fond of my ex800, but it did seem less usable than the
>> juno, because of the awkward interface, but it's so compact and
>> funky looking, it's still with me.
>> keep up the good work
>> regards
>> D
>>
>> patrioticduo <patrioticduo@...> wrote:
>> Hi there Poly fans,
>>
>> Check out my web site which has some more details on the progress of
>> my disassembly project.
>>
>> The more time I spend on this the more I think portamento is very,
>> very doable.
>>
>> And also, I am finding that the disassembler I'm using, along with a
>> few hours here and there, is quite enough for me to think I'm making
>> some real progress which is all I need to keep my optimism up.
>>
>> Sticking with this is nothing more than a labor of love.
>>
>> Some early successes here is that the MIDI part of the machine
>> code is
>> so compact that it is going to be quite easy to remap the UART into a
>> different address location. That will give the needed 8K of space for
>> an additional ROM. Also, the space inside the 8K boundary above
>> the 2K
>> 6116 RAM is completely unused so replacing it with an 8K 6264 is
>> going
>> to be relatively easy.
>>
>> Check out my page so far: http://patrioticduo.tripod.com/id7.html
>>
>> Mike H.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> SPONSORED LINKS
>> Music sampler Music synthesizers Synthesizer music
>>
>>
> Sampler
>
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>>
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--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Marcus Wilson <JB@...> wrote:
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> Ive been looking through my paperwork i kept after repairing my
> korgs, to locate the datasheet for the MSM5232 i cant see it
> electronic, so i will try to locate the paper copy for you
>
> good luck!
>
> Marcus Wilson
> On 23/05/2006, at 8:30 PM, patrioticduo wrote:
>
>
> > Thanks for the moral support. You always need that when you take on
> > disassembly of 8K of machine code.
> >
> > I think you might be talking about hacking the old Taito arcade
> > machines. And yes, that would be a fair analogy. Although I am not
> > writing an emulator like MAME.
> >
> > What I am actually doing is trying to put additional features into the
> > Poly and EX. We already know that ROM capacity is the major
> > restriction. RAM is also rather short. So adding 8K of RAM and 8K of
> > ROM is going to be necessary. But once we get that extra memory we
> > will be in a excellent position to start adding some great new
> > features. Although we will have be careful not to overload the CPU
> > itself.
> >
> > How about a fourth EG so that noise the filter are separately
> > controlled with their own EG's?
> >
> > And what if we had a fifth EG for resonance. And a six for Ring Mod.
> > And programmable 24db/12db filter setting?
> >
> > Mike H.
> >
> > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, music tec <musictec1@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Hi, just to let you know that i am into this. not that i have any
> >>
> >>
> > expertise, or
> >
> >
> >> that i've had the chance to follow these postings back to their
> >>
> >>
> > origin yet -
> >
> >
> >> as i have around 600 emails from this group to look through.
> >> i assume you're trying to hack this box like a games console,
> >> right?
> >> yeah, go for it! have to check your site and see what you're up to.
> >> this by way of encouragement/moral support!!!!
> >> so, i would assume your quest is:
> >> a bank of midi cc's/mono/sync/unison/ringmod?
> >> perhaps sysex control/interface??
> >> i am very fond of my ex800, but it did seem less usable than the
> >> juno, because of the awkward interface, but it's so compact and
> >> funky looking, it's still with me.
> >> keep up the good work
> >> regards
> >> D
> >>
> >> patrioticduo <patrioticduo@> wrote:
> >> Hi there Poly fans,
> >>
> >> Check out my web site which has some more details on the progress of
> >> my disassembly project.
> >>
> >> The more time I spend on this the more I think portamento is very,
> >> very doable.
> >>
> >> And also, I am finding that the disassembler I'm using, along with a
> >> few hours here and there, is quite enough for me to think I'm making
> >> some real progress which is all I need to keep my optimism up.
> >>
> >> Sticking with this is nothing more than a labor of love.
> >>
> >> Some early successes here is that the MIDI part of the machine
> >> code is
> >> so compact that it is going to be quite easy to remap the UART into a
> >> different address location. That will give the needed 8K of space for
> >> an additional ROM. Also, the space inside the 8K boundary above
> >> the 2K
> >> 6116 RAM is completely unused so replacing it with an 8K 6264 is
> >> going
> >> to be relatively easy.
> >>
> >> Check out my page so far: http://patrioticduo.tripod.com/id7.html
> >>
> >> Mike H.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "patrioticduo" <patrioticduo@>
>
> Keep up the good work! After you've figured out how to controll the
> peripheral synthstuff from the cpu and written a basic OS, that gets
> somethingn done I'm sure that other people will join your efforts
> (like me). But of course doing this is a major obstacle.
>
> And have you thought about replacing the CPU by a more modern
> pincompatible version with more RAM, ROM and more MHz? I know that
> this is possible with the Roland JX-3P CPU (some Intel thing).
>

On Wed, 24 May 2006, Marcus Wilson wrote:

> Speaking of new features, one thing i was thinking would be uber cool
> would be to actually display the parameter info in the decal showing
> the parameters and ranges, and having up/down switches under the up/
> down parameter switch area. As my own experience is in membrane
> switches, getting the switch side of things is pretty simple, its the
> control and the multiplex/demultiplex of the parameter info display
> that got too hard.
>
> Imagine seeing all of the parameters on the poly displayed, and being
> able to tweak each one at will, instead of needing to fumble thru the
> parameters one at a time
>
> JB over
>
> On 24/05/2006, at 3:19 PM, jure zitnik wrote:
>
> > if you're planning the digital pot - why not replace the awkward up/
> > down buttons with a rotary encoder? i guess it's an easy job!
> >
> > jure
> >
> > On 5/23/06, patrioticduo <patrioticduo@...> wrote:
> > I'm trying to keep the scope within the realms of sanity.
> >
> > So I'm placing initial limits on the hardware upgrade.
> >
> > Required outcome: Upgrade the Poly 800 RAM and ROM to support
> > additional CPU programming related functions. A board will be
> > developed as part of a retrofit kit that will plug into the existing
> > ROM socket. The card will have a 2764 EPROM, a 6264 RAM, a 74LS138
> > decoder.
> >
> > Optional outcome: Provide the needed hardware to integrate several
> > well established mod's (moog slayer, 12/24db filter switch, etc) into
> > the CPU control and user programming system. Thus, add a 74H174 (6 bit
> > latch) and a digital potentiometer and other chips as needed to allow
> > existing and future mod's to be controlled by the CPU.
> >
> > I think it very unlikely that we'll run out of CPU cycles handling the
> > required outcomes. I think it possible that we may run into CPU cycle
> > restrictions trying to satisfy the optional outcomes.
> >
> > If we do find that we run out of CPU cycles then I'm hoping that I'll
> > know so much about the code that I can port the whole thing to a PC
> > and release a virtual Poly 800 that will run on your Linux box.
> >
> > Mike H.
> >
> > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "austeritygirlone" <ziggystar@...>
> >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "patrioticduo" <patrioticduo@>
> > >
> > > Keep up the good work! After you've figured out how to controll the
> > > peripheral synthstuff from the cpu and written a basic OS, that gets
> > > somethingn done I'm sure that other people will join your efforts
> > > (like me). But of course doing this is a major obstacle.
> > >
> > > And have you thought about replacing the CPU by a more modern
> > > pincompatible version with more RAM, ROM and more MHz? I know that
> > > this is possible with the Roland JX-3P CPU (some Intel thing).
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "jure zitnik" <kokoon@...> wrote:
>
> if you're planning the digital pot - why not replace the awkward up/down
> buttons with a rotary encoder? i guess it's an easy job!
>
> jure
>
> On 5/23/06, patrioticduo <patrioticduo@...> wrote:
> >
> > I'm trying to keep the scope within the realms of sanity.
> >
> > So I'm placing initial limits on the hardware upgrade.
> >
> > Required outcome: Upgrade the Poly 800 RAM and ROM to support
> > additional CPU programming related functions. A board will be
> > developed as part of a retrofit kit that will plug into the existing
> > ROM socket. The card will have a 2764 EPROM, a 6264 RAM, a 74LS138
> > decoder.
> >
> > Optional outcome: Provide the needed hardware to integrate several
> > well established mod's (moog slayer, 12/24db filter switch, etc) into
> > the CPU control and user programming system. Thus, add a 74H174 (6 bit
> > latch) and a digital potentiometer and other chips as needed to allow
> > existing and future mod's to be controlled by the CPU.
> >
> > I think it very unlikely that we'll run out of CPU cycles handling the
> > required outcomes. I think it possible that we may run into CPU cycle
> > restrictions trying to satisfy the optional outcomes.
> >
> > If we do find that we run out of CPU cycles then I'm hoping that I'll
> > know so much about the code that I can port the whole thing to a PC
> > and release a virtual Poly 800 that will run on your Linux box.
> >
> > Mike H.
> >
> > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "austeritygirlone" <ziggystar@>
> >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "patrioticduo" <patrioticduo@>
> > >
> > > Keep up the good work! After you've figured out how to controll the
> > > peripheral synthstuff from the cpu and written a basic OS, that gets
> > > somethingn done I'm sure that other people will join your efforts
> > > (like me). But of course doing this is a major obstacle.
> > >
> > > And have you thought about replacing the CPU by a more modern
> > > pincompatible version with more RAM, ROM and more MHz? I know that
> > > this is possible with the Roland JX-3P CPU (some Intel thing).
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--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Marcus Wilson <JB@...> wrote:
>
> Speaking of new features, one thing i was thinking would be uber cool
> would be to actually display the parameter info in the decal showing
> the parameters and ranges, and having up/down switches under the up/
> down parameter switch area. As my own experience is in membrane
> switches, getting the switch side of things is pretty simple, its the
> control and the multiplex/demultiplex of the parameter info display
> that got too hard.
>
> Imagine seeing all of the parameters on the poly displayed, and being
> able to tweak each one at will, instead of needing to fumble thru the
> parameters one at a time
>
> JB over
>
> On 24/05/2006, at 3:19 PM, jure zitnik wrote:
>
> > if you're planning the digital pot - why not replace the awkward up/
> > down buttons with a rotary encoder? i guess it's an easy job!
> >
> > jure
> >
> > On 5/23/06, patrioticduo <patrioticduo@...> wrote:
> > I'm trying to keep the scope within the realms of sanity.
> >
> > So I'm placing initial limits on the hardware upgrade.
> >
> > Required outcome: Upgrade the Poly 800 RAM and ROM to support
> > additional CPU programming related functions. A board will be
> > developed as part of a retrofit kit that will plug into the existing
> > ROM socket. The card will have a 2764 EPROM, a 6264 RAM, a 74LS138
> > decoder.
> >
> > Optional outcome: Provide the needed hardware to integrate several
> > well established mod's (moog slayer, 12/24db filter switch, etc) into
> > the CPU control and user programming system. Thus, add a 74H174 (6 bit
> > latch) and a digital potentiometer and other chips as needed to allow
> > existing and future mod's to be controlled by the CPU.
> >
> > I think it very unlikely that we'll run out of CPU cycles handling the
> > required outcomes. I think it possible that we may run into CPU cycle
> > restrictions trying to satisfy the optional outcomes.
> >
> > If we do find that we run out of CPU cycles then I'm hoping that I'll
> > know so much about the code that I can port the whole thing to a PC
> > and release a virtual Poly 800 that will run on your Linux box.
> >
> > Mike H.
> >
> > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "austeritygirlone" <ziggystar@>
> >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "patrioticduo" <patrioticduo@>
> > >
> > > Keep up the good work! After you've figured out how to controll the
> > > peripheral synthstuff from the cpu and written a basic OS, that gets
> > > somethingn done I'm sure that other people will join your efforts
> > > (like me). But of course doing this is a major obstacle.
> > >
> > > And have you thought about replacing the CPU by a more modern
> > > pincompatible version with more RAM, ROM and more MHz? I know that
> > > this is possible with the Roland JX-3P CPU (some Intel thing).
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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On Wed, 24 May 2006, patrioticduo wrote:

> I did entertain the idea of replacing the seven segment displays with
> a 2x24 backlit LCD. But even that is too much to spend.
>
> However, I am planning on putting an LCD interface onto the retrofit
> kit so that I can plug a display in and do diagnostics with it. Also,
> I have a funny feeling that I may have to use the LCD to determine the
> exact memory map used for all the parameters and patch space use.
>
> But the cost of the LCD would be too high for any retrofit kit. I
> mean, when you can pick up all sorts of much higher powered
> synthesizers for a few hundred bucks what would the point of it all be?
>
> This upgrade is 90% ROM and RAM. A few digital pots will allow
> controlling some mod's but I simply refuse to entertain carving up the
> keyboard, drilling holes and messing with the external appearance.
> This mod is going to be an internal upgrade. No messing up a great
> looking vintage keyboard.
>
> I want mine to look like a Poly 800 for my grandchildren.
>
> --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Marcus Wilson <JB@...> wrote:
> >
> > Speaking of new features, one thing i was thinking would be uber cool
> > would be to actually display the parameter info in the decal showing
> > the parameters and ranges, and having up/down switches under the up/
> > down parameter switch area. As my own experience is in membrane
> > switches, getting the switch side of things is pretty simple, its the
> > control and the multiplex/demultiplex of the parameter info display
> > that got too hard.
> >
> > Imagine seeing all of the parameters on the poly displayed, and being
> > able to tweak each one at will, instead of needing to fumble thru the
> > parameters one at a time
> >
> > JB over
> >
> > On 24/05/2006, at 3:19 PM, jure zitnik wrote:
> >
> > > if you're planning the digital pot - why not replace the awkward up/
> > > down buttons with a rotary encoder? i guess it's an easy job!
> > >
> > > jure
> > >
> > > On 5/23/06, patrioticduo <patrioticduo@...> wrote:
> > > I'm trying to keep the scope within the realms of sanity.
> > >
> > > So I'm placing initial limits on the hardware upgrade.
> > >
> > > Required outcome: Upgrade the Poly 800 RAM and ROM to support
> > > additional CPU programming related functions. A board will be
> > > developed as part of a retrofit kit that will plug into the existing
> > > ROM socket. The card will have a 2764 EPROM, a 6264 RAM, a 74LS138
> > > decoder.
> > >
> > > Optional outcome: Provide the needed hardware to integrate several
> > > well established mod's (moog slayer, 12/24db filter switch, etc) into
> > > the CPU control and user programming system. Thus, add a 74H174 (6 bit
> > > latch) and a digital potentiometer and other chips as needed to allow
> > > existing and future mod's to be controlled by the CPU.
> > >
> > > I think it very unlikely that we'll run out of CPU cycles handling the
> > > required outcomes. I think it possible that we may run into CPU cycle
> > > restrictions trying to satisfy the optional outcomes.
> > >
> > > If we do find that we run out of CPU cycles then I'm hoping that I'll
> > > know so much about the code that I can port the whole thing to a PC
> > > and release a virtual Poly 800 that will run on your Linux box.
> > >
> > > Mike H.
> > >
> > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "austeritygirlone" <ziggystar@>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "patrioticduo" <patrioticduo@>
> > > >
> > > > Keep up the good work! After you've figured out how to controll the
> > > > peripheral synthstuff from the cpu and written a basic OS, that gets
> > > > somethingn done I'm sure that other people will join your efforts
> > > > (like me). But of course doing this is a major obstacle.
> > > >
> > > > And have you thought about replacing the CPU by a more modern
> > > > pincompatible version with more RAM, ROM and more MHz? I know that
> > > > this is possible with the Roland JX-3P CPU (some Intel thing).
> > > >
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> I did entertain the idea of replacing the seven segment displays with
> a 2x24 backlit LCD. But even that is too much to spend.
>
> However, I am planning on putting an LCD interface onto the retrofit
> kit so that I can plug a display in and do diagnostics with it. Also,
> I have a funny feeling that I may have to use the LCD to determine the
> exact memory map used for all the parameters and patch space use.
>
> But the cost of the LCD would be too high for any retrofit kit. I
> mean, when you can pick up all sorts of much higher powered
> synthesizers for a few hundred bucks what would the point of it all be?
>
> This upgrade is 90% ROM and RAM. A few digital pots will allow
> controlling some mod's but I simply refuse to entertain carving up the
> keyboard, drilling holes and messing with the external appearance.
> This mod is going to be an internal upgrade. No messing up a great
> looking vintage keyboard.
>
> I want mine to look like a Poly 800 for my grandchildren.
>
> --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Marcus Wilson <JB@...> wrote:
> >
> > Speaking of new features, one thing i was thinking would be uber cool
> > would be to actually display the parameter info in the decal showing
> > the parameters and ranges, and having up/down switches under the up/
> > down parameter switch area. As my own experience is in membrane
> > switches, getting the switch side of things is pretty simple, its the
> > control and the multiplex/demultiplex of the parameter info display
> > that got too hard.
> >
> > Imagine seeing all of the parameters on the poly displayed, and being
> > able to tweak each one at will, instead of needing to fumble thru the
> > parameters one at a time
> >
> > JB over
> >
> > On 24/05/2006, at 3:19 PM, jure zitnik wrote:
> >
> > > if you're planning the digital pot - why not replace the awkward up/
> > > down buttons with a rotary encoder? i guess it's an easy job!
> > >
> > > jure
> > >
> > > On 5/23/06, patrioticduo <patrioticduo@...> wrote:
> > > I'm trying to keep the scope within the realms of sanity.
> > >
> > > So I'm placing initial limits on the hardware upgrade.
> > >
> > > Required outcome: Upgrade the Poly 800 RAM and ROM to support
> > > additional CPU programming related functions. A board will be
> > > developed as part of a retrofit kit that will plug into the existing
> > > ROM socket. The card will have a 2764 EPROM, a 6264 RAM, a 74LS138
> > > decoder.
> > >
> > > Optional outcome: Provide the needed hardware to integrate several
> > > well established mod's (moog slayer, 12/24db filter switch, etc) into
> > > the CPU control and user programming system. Thus, add a 74H174 (6 bit
> > > latch) and a digital potentiometer and other chips as needed to allow
> > > existing and future mod's to be controlled by the CPU.
> > >
> > > I think it very unlikely that we'll run out of CPU cycles handling the
> > > required outcomes. I think it possible that we may run into CPU cycle
> > > restrictions trying to satisfy the optional outcomes.
> > >
> > > If we do find that we run out of CPU cycles then I'm hoping that I'll
> > > know so much about the code that I can port the whole thing to a PC
> > > and release a virtual Poly 800 that will run on your Linux box.
> > >
> > > Mike H.
> > >
> > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "austeritygirlone" <ziggystar@>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "patrioticduo" <patrioticduo@>
> > > >
> > > > Keep up the good work! After you've figured out how to controll the
> > > > peripheral synthstuff from the cpu and written a basic OS, that gets
> > > > somethingn done I'm sure that other people will join your efforts
> > > > (like me). But of course doing this is a major obstacle.
> > > >
> > > > And have you thought about replacing the CPU by a more modern
> > > > pincompatible version with more RAM, ROM and more MHz? I know that
> > > > this is possible with the Roland JX-3P CPU (some Intel thing).
> > > >
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> yeah i voted 100$ too. i mean.. i bought the
> poly-800 for like 70$... in
> perfect condition that is. with a case.
>
> jure
>
> On 5/24/06, Tim Bieniosek <tab27@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > What if you added a DB9 or DB25 port on the back
> for an external knob box?
> >
> > The most I'd pay for a kit is $100. After that
> you can just buy a Juno.
> > (sacrilege!)
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 24 May 2006, patrioticduo wrote:
> >
> > > I did entertain the idea of replacing the seven
> segment displays with
> > > a 2x24 backlit LCD. But even that is too much to
> spend.
> > >
> > > However, I am planning on putting an LCD
> interface onto the retrofit
> > > kit so that I can plug a display in and do
> diagnostics with it. Also,
> > > I have a funny feeling that I may have to use
> the LCD to determine the
> > > exact memory map used for all the parameters and
> patch space use.
> > >
> > > But the cost of the LCD would be too high for
> any retrofit kit. I
> > > mean, when you can pick up all sorts of much
> higher powered
> > > synthesizers for a few hundred bucks what would
> the point of it all be?
> > >
> > > This upgrade is 90% ROM and RAM. A few digital
> pots will allow
> > > controlling some mod's but I simply refuse to
> entertain carving up the
> > > keyboard, drilling holes and messing with the
> external appearance.
> > > This mod is going to be an internal upgrade. No
> messing up a great
> > > looking vintage keyboard.
> > >
> > > I want mine to look like a Poly 800 for my
> grandchildren.
> > >
> > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Marcus Wilson
> <JB@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Speaking of new features, one thing i was
> thinking would be uber cool
> > > > would be to actually display the parameter
> info in the decal showing
> > > > the parameters and ranges, and having up/down
> switches under the up/
> > > > down parameter switch area. As my own
> experience is in membrane
> > > > switches, getting the switch side of things is
> pretty simple, its the
> > > > control and the multiplex/demultiplex of the
> parameter info display
> > > > that got too hard.
> > > >
> > > > Imagine seeing all of the parameters on the
> poly displayed, and being
> > > > able to tweak each one at will, instead of
> needing to fumble thru the
> > > > parameters one at a time
> > > >
> > > > JB over
> > > >
> > > > On 24/05/2006, at 3:19 PM, jure zitnik wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > if you're planning the digital pot - why not
> replace the awkward up/
> > > > > down buttons with a rotary encoder? i guess
> it's an easy job!
> > > > >
> > > > > jure
> > > > >
> > > > > On 5/23/06, patrioticduo <patrioticduo@...>
> wrote:
> > > > > I'm trying to keep the scope within the
> realms of sanity.
> > > > >
> > > > > So I'm placing initial limits on the
> hardware upgrade.
> > > > >
> > > > > Required outcome: Upgrade the Poly 800 RAM
> and ROM to support
> > > > > additional CPU programming related
> functions. A board will be
> > > > > developed as part of a retrofit kit that
> will plug into the existing
> > > > > ROM socket. The card will have a 2764 EPROM,
> a 6264 RAM, a 74LS138
> > > > > decoder.
> > > > >
> > > > > Optional outcome: Provide the needed
> hardware to integrate several
> > > > > well established mod's (moog slayer, 12/24db
> filter switch, etc)
> > into
> > > > > the CPU control and user programming system.
> Thus, add a 74H174 (6
> > bit
> > > > > latch) and a digital potentiometer and other
> chips as needed to
> > allow
> > > > > existing and future mod's to be controlled
> by the CPU.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think it very unlikely that we'll run out
> of CPU cycles handling
> > the
> > > > > required outcomes. I think it possible that
> we may run into CPU
> > cycle
> > > > > restrictions trying to satisfy the optional
> outcomes.
> > > > >
> > > > > If we do find that we run out of CPU cycles
> then I'm hoping that
> > I'll
> > > > > know so much about the code that I can port
> the whole thing to a PC
> > > > > and release a virtual Poly 800 that will run
> on your Linux box.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike H.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com,
> "austeritygirlone" <ziggystar@>
> > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com,
> "patrioticduo" <patrioticduo@>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Keep up the good work! After you've
> figured out how to controll
> > the
> > > > > > peripheral synthstuff from the cpu and
> written a basic OS, that
> > gets
> > > > > > somethingn done I'm sure that other people
> will join your efforts
> > > > > > (like me). But of course doing this is a
> major obstacle.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And have you thought about replacing the
> CPU by a more modern
> > > > > > pincompatible version with more RAM, ROM
> and more MHz? I know that
> > > > > > this is possible with the Roland JX-3P CPU
> (some Intel thing).
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > SPONSORED LINKS
> > > > > Music sampler Music synthesizers
> Synthesizer music
> > > > > Sampler
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Shit, if you can find a JUNO 106 for less than $200
bucks, then I'd recommend getting that instead
anyways. The JUNO-106 far outweights the Poly800 in
every regard. Or perhaps you meant some other JUNO?

--- jure zitnik <kokoon@gmail. com> wrote:

> yeah i voted 100$ too. i mean.. i bought the
> poly-800 for like 70$... in
> perfect condition that is. with a case.
>
> jure
>
> On 5/24/06, Tim Bieniosek <tab27@drexel. edu> wrote:
> >
> >
> > What if you added a DB9 or DB25 port on the back
> for an external knob box?
> >
> > The most I'd pay for a kit is $100. After that
> you can just buy a Juno.
> > (sacrilege!)
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 24 May 2006, patrioticduo wrote:
> >
> > > I did entertain the idea of replacing the seven
> segment displays with
> > > a 2x24 backlit LCD. But even that is too much to
> spend.
> > >
> > > However, I am planning on putting an LCD
> interface onto the retrofit
> > > kit so that I can plug a display in and do
> diagnostics with it. Also,
> > > I have a funny feeling that I may have to use
> the LCD to determine the
> > > exact memory map used for all the parameters and
> patch space use.
> > >
> > > But the cost of the LCD would be too high for
> any retrofit kit. I
> > > mean, when you can pick up all sorts of much
> higher powered
> > > synthesizers for a few hundred bucks what would
> the point of it all be?
> > >
> > > This upgrade is 90% ROM and RAM. A few digital
> pots will allow
> > > controlling some mod's but I simply refuse to
> entertain carving up the
> > > keyboard, drilling holes and messing with the
> external appearance.
> > > This mod is going to be an internal upgrade. No
> messing up a great
> > > looking vintage keyboard.
> > >
> > > I want mine to look like a Poly 800 for my
> grandchildren.
> > >
> > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogro ups.com, Marcus Wilson
> <JB@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Speaking of new features, one thing i was
> thinking would be uber cool
> > > > would be to actually display the parameter
> info in the decal showing
> > > > the parameters and ranges, and having up/down
> switches under the up/
> > > > down parameter switch area. As my own
> experience is in membrane
> > > > switches, getting the switch side of things is
> pretty simple, its the
> > > > control and the multiplex/demultipl ex of the
> parameter info display
> > > > that got too hard.
> > > >
> > > > Imagine seeing all of the parameters on the
> poly displayed, and being
> > > > able to tweak each one at will, instead of
> needing to fumble thru the
> > > > parameters one at a time
> > > >
> > > > JB over
> > > >
> > > > On 24/05/2006, at 3:19 PM, jure zitnik wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > if you're planning the digital pot - why not
> replace the awkward up/
> > > > > down buttons with a rotary encoder? i guess
> it's an easy job!
> > > > >
> > > > > jure
> > > > >
> > > > > On 5/23/06, patrioticduo <patrioticduo@ ...>
> wrote:
> > > > > I'm trying to keep the scope within the
> realms of sanity.
> > > > >
> > > > > So I'm placing initial limits on the
> hardware upgrade.
> > > > >
> > > > > Required outcome: Upgrade the Poly 800 RAM
> and ROM to support
> > > > > additional CPU programming related
> functions. A board will be
> > > > > developed as part of a retrofit kit that
> will plug into the existing
> > > > > ROM socket. The card will have a 2764 EPROM,
> a 6264 RAM, a 74LS138
> > > > > decoder.
> > > > >
> > > > > Optional outcome: Provide the needed
> hardware to integrate several
> > > > > well established mod's (moog slayer, 12/24db
> filter switch, etc)
> > into
> > > > > the CPU control and user programming system.
> Thus, add a 74H174 (6
> > bit
> > > > > latch) and a digital potentiometer and other
> chips as needed to
> > allow
> > > > > existing and future mod's to be controlled
> by the CPU.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think it very unlikely that we'll run out
> of CPU cycles handling
> > the
> > > > > required outcomes. I think it possible that
> we may run into CPU
> > cycle
> > > > > restrictions trying to satisfy the optional
> outcomes.
> > > > >
> > > > > If we do find that we run out of CPU cycles
> then I'm hoping that
> > I'll
> > > > > know so much about the code that I can port
> the whole thing to a PC
> > > > > and release a virtual Poly 800 that will run
> on your Linux box.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike H.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogro ups.com,
> "austeritygirlone" <ziggystar@>
> > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogro ups.com,
> "patrioticduo" <patrioticduo@ >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Keep up the good work! After you've
> figured out how to controll
> > the
> > > > > > peripheral synthstuff from the cpu and
> written a basic OS, that
> > gets
> > > > > > somethingn done I'm sure that other people
> will join your efforts
> > > > > > (like me). But of course doing this is a
> major obstacle.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And have you thought about replacing the
> CPU by a more modern
> > > > > > pincompatible version with more RAM, ROM
> and more MHz? I know that
> > > > > > this is possible with the Roland JX-3P CPU
> (some Intel thing).
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > SPONSORED LINKS
> > > > > Music sampler Music synthesizers
> Synthesizer music
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2006, Joseph Ralston wrote:

> Shit, if you can find a JUNO 106 for less than $200
> bucks, then I'd recommend getting that instead
> anyways. The JUNO-106 far outweights the Poly800 in
> every regard. Or perhaps you meant some other JUNO?
>
>
>
>
>
> --- jure zitnik <kokoon@...> wrote:
>
> > yeah i voted 100$ too. i mean.. i bought the
> > poly-800 for like 70$... in
> > perfect condition that is. with a case.
> >
> > jure
> >
> > On 5/24/06, Tim Bieniosek <tab27@...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > What if you added a DB9 or DB25 port on the back
> > for an external knob box?
> > >
> > > The most I'd pay for a kit is $100. After that
> > you can just buy a Juno.
> > > (sacrilege!)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 24 May 2006, patrioticduo wrote:
> > >
> > > > I did entertain the idea of replacing the seven
> > segment displays with
> > > > a 2x24 backlit LCD. But even that is too much to
> > spend.
> > > >
> > > > However, I am planning on putting an LCD
> > interface onto the retrofit
> > > > kit so that I can plug a display in and do
> > diagnostics with it. Also,
> > > > I have a funny feeling that I may have to use
> > the LCD to determine the
> > > > exact memory map used for all the parameters and
> > patch space use.
> > > >
> > > > But the cost of the LCD would be too high for
> > any retrofit kit. I
> > > > mean, when you can pick up all sorts of much
> > higher powered
> > > > synthesizers for a few hundred bucks what would
> > the point of it all be?
> > > >
> > > > This upgrade is 90% ROM and RAM. A few digital
> > pots will allow
> > > > controlling some mod's but I simply refuse to
> > entertain carving up the
> > > > keyboard, drilling holes and messing with the
> > external appearance.
> > > > This mod is going to be an internal upgrade. No
> > messing up a great
> > > > looking vintage keyboard.
> > > >
> > > > I want mine to look like a Poly 800 for my
> > grandchildren.
> > > >
> > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Marcus Wilson
> > <JB@...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Speaking of new features, one thing i was
> > thinking would be uber cool
> > > > > would be to actually display the parameter
> > info in the decal showing
> > > > > the parameters and ranges, and having up/down
> > switches under the up/
> > > > > down parameter switch area. As my own
> > experience is in membrane
> > > > > switches, getting the switch side of things is
> > pretty simple, its the
> > > > > control and the multiplex/demultiplex of the
> > parameter info display
> > > > > that got too hard.
> > > > >
> > > > > Imagine seeing all of the parameters on the
> > poly displayed, and being
> > > > > able to tweak each one at will, instead of
> > needing to fumble thru the
> > > > > parameters one at a time
> > > > >
> > > > > JB over
> > > > >
> > > > > On 24/05/2006, at 3:19 PM, jure zitnik wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > if you're planning the digital pot - why not
> > replace the awkward up/
> > > > > > down buttons with a rotary encoder? i guess
> > it's an easy job!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > jure
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 5/23/06, patrioticduo <patrioticduo@...>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > I'm trying to keep the scope within the
> > realms of sanity.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So I'm placing initial limits on the
> > hardware upgrade.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Required outcome: Upgrade the Poly 800 RAM
> > and ROM to support
> > > > > > additional CPU programming related
> > functions. A board will be
> > > > > > developed as part of a retrofit kit that
> > will plug into the existing
> > > > > > ROM socket. The card will have a 2764 EPROM,
> > a 6264 RAM, a 74LS138
> > > > > > decoder.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Optional outcome: Provide the needed
> > hardware to integrate several
> > > > > > well established mod's (moog slayer, 12/24db
> > filter switch, etc)
> > > into
> > > > > > the CPU control and user programming system.
> > Thus, add a 74H174 (6
> > > bit
> > > > > > latch) and a digital potentiometer and other
> > chips as needed to
> > > allow
> > > > > > existing and future mod's to be controlled
> > by the CPU.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think it very unlikely that we'll run out
> > of CPU cycles handling
> > > the
> > > > > > required outcomes. I think it possible that
> > we may run into CPU
> > > cycle
> > > > > > restrictions trying to satisfy the optional
> > outcomes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If we do find that we run out of CPU cycles
> > then I'm hoping that
> > > I'll
> > > > > > know so much about the code that I can port
> > the whole thing to a PC
> > > > > > and release a virtual Poly 800 that will run
> > on your Linux box.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike H.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com,
> > "austeritygirlone" <ziggystar@>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com,
> > "patrioticduo" <patrioticduo@>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Keep up the good work! After you've
> > figured out how to controll
> > > the
> > > > > > > peripheral synthstuff from the cpu and
> > written a basic OS, that
> > > gets
> > > > > > > somethingn done I'm sure that other people
> > will join your efforts
> > > > > > > (like me). But of course doing this is a
> > major obstacle.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And have you thought about replacing the
> > CPU by a more modern
> > > > > > > pincompatible version with more RAM, ROM
> > and more MHz? I know that
> > > > > > > this is possible with the Roland JX-3P CPU
> > (some Intel thing).
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> A Juno 106 for $200- is a bargain and I would snap
> it up.
> However, to say it is better in "every regard" is
> a fallacy.
> The Poly is cheaper.
> See what I mean?
> :)
>
>
> Joseph Ralston <voxdestrukt@...> wrote:
> Shit, if you can find a JUNO 106 for less
> than $200
> bucks, then I'd recommend getting that instead
> anyways. The JUNO-106 far outweights the Poly800 in
> every regard. Or perhaps you meant some other JUNO?
>
> --- jure zitnik <kokoon@...> wrote:
>
> > yeah i voted 100$ too. i mean.. i bought the
> > poly-800 for like 70$... in
> > perfect condition that is. with a case.
> >
> > jure
> >
> > On 5/24/06, Tim Bieniosek <tab27@...>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > What if you added a DB9 or DB25 port on the back
> > for an external knob box?
> > >
> > > The most I'd pay for a kit is $100. After that
> > you can just buy a Juno.
> > > (sacrilege!)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 24 May 2006, patrioticduo wrote:
> > >
> > > > I did entertain the idea of replacing the
> seven
> > segment displays with
> > > > a 2x24 backlit LCD. But even that is too much
> to
> > spend.
> > > >
> > > > However, I am planning on putting an LCD
> > interface onto the retrofit
> > > > kit so that I can plug a display in and do
> > diagnostics with it. Also,
> > > > I have a funny feeling that I may have to use
> > the LCD to determine the
> > > > exact memory map used for all the parameters
> and
> > patch space use.
> > > >
> > > > But the cost of the LCD would be too high for
> > any retrofit kit. I
> > > > mean, when you can pick up all sorts of much
> > higher powered
> > > > synthesizers for a few hundred bucks what
> would
> > the point of it all be?
> > > >
> > > > This upgrade is 90% ROM and RAM. A few digital
> > pots will allow
> > > > controlling some mod's but I simply refuse to
> > entertain carving up the
> > > > keyboard, drilling holes and messing with the
> > external appearance.
> > > > This mod is going to be an internal upgrade.
> No
> > messing up a great
> > > > looking vintage keyboard.
> > > >
> > > > I want mine to look like a Poly 800 for my
> > grandchildren.
> > > >
> > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Marcus
> Wilson
> > <JB@...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Speaking of new features, one thing i was
> > thinking would be uber cool
> > > > > would be to actually display the parameter
> > info in the decal showing
> > > > > the parameters and ranges, and having
> up/down
> > switches under the up/
> > > > > down parameter switch area. As my own
> > experience is in membrane
> > > > > switches, getting the switch side of things
> is
> > pretty simple, its the
> > > > > control and the multiplex/demultiplex of the
> > parameter info display
> > > > > that got too hard.
> > > > >
> > > > > Imagine seeing all of the parameters on the
> > poly displayed, and being
> > > > > able to tweak each one at will, instead of
> > needing to fumble thru the
> > > > > parameters one at a time
> > > > >
> > > > > JB over
> > > > >
> > > > > On 24/05/2006, at 3:19 PM, jure zitnik
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > if you're planning the digital pot - why
> not
> > replace the awkward up/
> > > > > > down buttons with a rotary encoder? i
> guess
> > it's an easy job!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > jure
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 5/23/06, patrioticduo
> <patrioticduo@...>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > I'm trying to keep the scope within the
> > realms of sanity.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So I'm placing initial limits on the
> > hardware upgrade.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Required outcome: Upgrade the Poly 800 RAM
> > and ROM to support
> > > > > > additional CPU programming related
> > functions. A board will be
> > > > > > developed as part of a retrofit kit that
> > will plug into the existing
> > > > > > ROM socket. The card will have a 2764
> EPROM,
> > a 6264 RAM, a 74LS138
> > > > > > decoder.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Optional outcome: Provide the needed
> > hardware to integrate several
> > > > > > well established mod's (moog slayer,
> 12/24db
> > filter switch, etc)
> > > into
> > > > > > the CPU control and user programming
> system.
> > Thus, add a 74H174 (6
> > > bit
> > > > > > latch) and a digital potentiometer and
> other
> > chips as needed to
> > > allow
> > > > > > existing and future mod's to be controlled
> > by the CPU.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think it very unlikely that we'll run
> out
> > of CPU cycles handling
> > > the
> > > > > > required outcomes. I think it possible
> that
> > we may run into CPU
> > > cycle
> > > > > > restrictions trying to satisfy the
> optional
> > outcomes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If we do find that we run out of CPU
> cycles
> > then I'm hoping that
> > > I'll
> > > > > > know so much about the code that I can
> port
> > the whole thing to a PC
> > > > > > and release a virtual Poly 800 that will
> run
> > on your Linux box.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike H.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com,
> > "austeritygirlone" <ziggystar@>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com,
> > "patrioticduo" <patrioticduo@>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Keep up the good work! After you've
> > figured out how to controll
> > > the
> > > > > > > peripheral synthstuff from the cpu and
> > written a basic OS, that
> > > gets
> > > > > > > somethingn done I'm sure that other
> people
> > will join your efforts
> > > > > > > (like me). But of course doing this is a
> > major obstacle.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And have you thought about replacing the
>

> No, I don't see what you mean. Please explain what you
> think the Poly 800 is better at than a Juno 106,
> musically? I've owned them both and the difference is
> black and white to me. The poly-800 is fun as hell to
> hack with (due to it's low price). But hacking up
> keyboards is not the same thing as making music, and
> in that area, the JUNO does prevail heavily over the
> poly-800.
>
> lanrosta
>
> --- Epiik Soul <electrohead2000@...
> <mailto:electrohead2000%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> > A Juno 106 for $200- is a bargain and I would snap
> > it up.
> > However, to say it is better in "every regard" is
> > a fallacy.
> > The Poly is cheaper.
> > See what I mean?
> > :)
> >
> >
> > Joseph Ralston <voxdestrukt@...
> <mailto:voxdestrukt%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
> > Shit, if you can find a JUNO 106 for less
> > than $200
> > bucks, then I'd recommend getting that instead
> > anyways. The JUNO-106 far outweights the Poly800 in
> > every regard. Or perhaps you meant some other JUNO?
> >
> > --- jure zitnik <kokoon@... <mailto:kokoon%40gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > > yeah i voted 100$ too. i mean.. i bought the
> > > poly-800 for like 70$... in
> > > perfect condition that is. with a case.
> > >
> > > jure
> > >
> > > On 5/24/06, Tim Bieniosek <tab27@...
> <mailto:tab27%40drexel.edu>>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What if you added a DB9 or DB25 port on the back
> > > for an external knob box?
> > > >
> > > > The most I'd pay for a kit is $100. After that
> > > you can just buy a Juno.
> > > > (sacrilege!)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 24 May 2006, patrioticduo wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I did entertain the idea of replacing the
> > seven
> > > segment displays with
> > > > > a 2x24 backlit LCD. But even that is too much
> > to
> > > spend.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, I am planning on putting an LCD
> > > interface onto the retrofit
> > > > > kit so that I can plug a display in and do
> > > diagnostics with it. Also,
> > > > > I have a funny feeling that I may have to use
> > > the LCD to determine the
> > > > > exact memory map used for all the parameters
> > and
> > > patch space use.
> > > > >
> > > > > But the cost of the LCD would be too high for
> > > any retrofit kit. I
> > > > > mean, when you can pick up all sorts of much
> > > higher powered
> > > > > synthesizers for a few hundred bucks what
> > would
> > > the point of it all be?
> > > > >
> > > > > This upgrade is 90% ROM and RAM. A few digital
> > > pots will allow
> > > > > controlling some mod's but I simply refuse to
> > > entertain carving up the
> > > > > keyboard, drilling holes and messing with the
> > > external appearance.
> > > > > This mod is going to be an internal upgrade.
> > No
> > > messing up a great
> > > > > looking vintage keyboard.
> > > > >
> > > > > I want mine to look like a Poly 800 for my
> > > grandchildren.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:korgpolyex%40yahoogroups.com>, Marcus
> > Wilson
> > > <JB@...> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Speaking of new features, one thing i was
> > > thinking would be uber cool
> > > > > > would be to actually display the parameter
> > > info in the decal showing
> > > > > > the parameters and ranges, and having
> > up/down
> > > switches under the up/
> > > > > > down parameter switch area. As my own
> > > experience is in membrane
> > > > > > switches, getting the switch side of things
> > is
> > > pretty simple, its the
> > > > > > control and the multiplex/demultiplex of the
> > > parameter info display
> > > > > > that got too hard.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Imagine seeing all of the parameters on the
> > > poly displayed, and being
> > > > > > able to tweak each one at will, instead of
> > > needing to fumble thru the
> > > > > > parameters one at a time
> > > > > >
> > > > > > JB over
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 24/05/2006, at 3:19 PM, jure zitnik
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > if you're planning the digital pot - why
> > not
> > > replace the awkward up/
> > > > > > > down buttons with a rotary encoder? i
> > guess
> > > it's an easy job!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > jure
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 5/23/06, patrioticduo
> > <patrioticduo@...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > I'm trying to keep the scope within the
> > > realms of sanity.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So I'm placing initial limits on the
> > > hardware upgrade.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Required outcome: Upgrade the Poly 800 RAM
> > > and ROM to support
> > > > > > > additional CPU programming related
> > > functions. A board will be
> > > > > > > developed as part of a retrofit kit that
> > > will plug into the existing
> > > > > > > ROM socket. The card will have a 2764
> > EPROM,
> > > a 6264 RAM, a 74LS138
> > > > > > > decoder.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Optional outcome: Provide the needed
> > > hardware to integrate several
> > > > > > > well established mod's (moog slayer,
> > 12/24db
> > > filter switch, etc)
> > > > into
> > > > > > > the CPU control and user programming
> > system.
> > > Thus, add a 74H174 (6
> > > > bit
> > > > > > > latch) and a digital potentiometer and
> > other
> > > chips as needed to
> > > > allow
> > > > > > > existing and future mod's to be controlled
> > > by the CPU.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think it very unlikely that we'll run
> > out
> > > of CPU cycles handling
> > > > the
> > > > > > > required outcomes. I think it possible
> > that
> > > we may run into CPU
> > > > cycle
> > > > > > > restrictions trying to satisfy the
> > optional
> > > outcomes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If we do find that we run out of CPU
> > cycles
> > > then I'm hoping that
> > > > I'll
> > > > > > > know so much about the code that I can
> > port
> > > the whole thing to a PC
> > > > > > > and release a virtual Poly 800 that will
> > run
> > > on your Linux box.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike H.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:korgpolyex%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "austeritygirlone" <ziggystar@>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:korgpolyex%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "patrioticduo" <patrioticduo@>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Keep up the good work! After you've
> > > figured out how to controll
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > peripheral synthstuff from the cpu and
> > > written a basic OS, that
> > > > gets
> > > > > > > > somethingn done I'm sure that other
> > people
> > > will join your efforts
> > > > > > > > (like me). But of course doing this is a
> > > major obstacle.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And have you thought about replacing the
> >
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I think the point is very clear.
The poly 800 is better due to pricing.
Clearly if it was the same price as a Juno things would be different.

Joseph Ralston wrote:

> No, I don't see what you mean. Please explain what you
> think the Poly 800 is better at than a Juno 106,
> musically? I've owned them both and the difference is
> black and white to me. The poly-800 is fun as hell to
> hack with (due to it's low price). But hacking up
> keyboards is not the same thing as making music, and
> in that area, the JUNO does prevail heavily over the
> poly-800.
>
> lanrosta
>
> --- Epiik Soul <electrohead2000@ yahoo.com
> <mailto:electrohead 2000%40yahoo. com>> wrote:
>
> > A Juno 106 for $200- is a bargain and I would snap
> > it up.
> > However, to say it is better in "every regard" is
> > a fallacy.
> > The Poly is cheaper.
> > See what I mean?
> > :)
> >
> >
> > Joseph Ralston <voxdestrukt@ yahoo.com
> <mailto:voxdestrukt %40yahoo. com>> wrote:
> > Shit, if you can find a JUNO 106 for less
> > than $200
> > bucks, then I'd recommend getting that instead
> > anyways. The JUNO-106 far outweights the Poly800 in
> > every regard. Or perhaps you meant some other JUNO?
> >
> > --- jure zitnik <kokoon@gmail. com <mailto:kokoon% 40gmail.com> > wrote:
> >
> > > yeah i voted 100$ too. i mean.. i bought the
> > > poly-800 for like 70$... in
> > > perfect condition that is. with a case.
> > >
> > > jure
> > >
> > > On 5/24/06, Tim Bieniosek <tab27@drexel. edu
> <mailto:tab27% 40drexel. edu>>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What if you added a DB9 or DB25 port on the back
> > > for an external knob box?
> > > >
> > > > The most I'd pay for a kit is $100. After that
> > > you can just buy a Juno.
> > > > (sacrilege!)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 24 May 2006, patrioticduo wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I did entertain the idea of replacing the
> > seven
> > > segment displays with
> > > > > a 2x24 backlit LCD. But even that is too much
> > to
> > > spend.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, I am planning on putting an LCD
> > > interface onto the retrofit
> > > > > kit so that I can plug a display in and do
> > > diagnostics with it. Also,
> > > > > I have a funny feeling that I may have to use
> > > the LCD to determine the
> > > > > exact memory map used for all the parameters
> > and
> > > patch space use.
> > > > >
> > > > > But the cost of the LCD would be too high for
> > > any retrofit kit. I
> > > > > mean, when you can pick up all sorts of much
> > > higher powered
> > > > > synthesizers for a few hundred bucks what
> > would
> > > the point of it all be?
> > > > >
> > > > > This upgrade is 90% ROM and RAM. A few digital
> > > pots will allow
> > > > > controlling some mod's but I simply refuse to
> > > entertain carving up the
> > > > > keyboard, drilling holes and messing with the
> > > external appearance.
> > > > > This mod is going to be an internal upgrade.
> > No
> > > messing up a great
> > > > > looking vintage keyboard.
> > > > >
> > > > > I want mine to look like a Poly 800 for my
> > > grandchildren.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogro ups.com
> <mailto:korgpolyex% 40yahoogroups. com>, Marcus
> > Wilson
> > > <JB@...> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Speaking of new features, one thing i was
> > > thinking would be uber cool
> > > > > > would be to actually display the parameter
> > > info in the decal showing
> > > > > > the parameters and ranges, and having
> > up/down
> > > switches under the up/
> > > > > > down parameter switch area. As my own
> > > experience is in membrane
> > > > > > switches, getting the switch side of things
> > is
> > > pretty simple, its the
> > > > > > control and the multiplex/demultipl ex of the
> > > parameter info display
> > > > > > that got too hard.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Imagine seeing all of the parameters on the
> > > poly displayed, and being
> > > > > > able to tweak each one at will, instead of
> > > needing to fumble thru the
> > > > > > parameters one at a time
> > > > > >
> > > > > > JB over
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 24/05/2006, at 3:19 PM, jure zitnik
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > if you're planning the digital pot - why
> > not
> > > replace the awkward up/
> > > > > > > down buttons with a rotary encoder? i
> > guess
> > > it's an easy job!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > jure
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 5/23/06, patrioticduo
> > <patrioticduo@ ...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > I'm trying to keep the scope within the
> > > realms of sanity.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So I'm placing initial limits on the
> > > hardware upgrade.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Required outcome: Upgrade the Poly 800 RAM
> > > and ROM to support
> > > > > > > additional CPU programming related
> > > functions. A board will be
> > > > > > > developed as part of a retrofit kit that
> > > will plug into the existing
> > > > > > > ROM socket. The card will have a 2764
> > EPROM,
> > > a 6264 RAM, a 74LS138
> > > > > > > decoder.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Optional outcome: Provide the needed
> > > hardware to integrate several
> > > > > > > well established mod's (moog slayer,
> > 12/24db
> > > filter switch, etc)
> > > > into
> > > > > > > the CPU control and user programming
> > system.
> > > Thus, add a 74H174 (6
> > > > bit
> > > > > > > latch) and a digital potentiometer and
> > other
> > > chips as needed to
> > > > allow
> > > > > > > existing and future mod's to be controlled
> > > by the CPU.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think it very unlikely that we'll run
> > out
> > > of CPU cycles handling
> > > > the
> > > > > > > required outcomes. I think it possible
> > that
> > > we may run into CPU
> > > > cycle
> > > > > > > restrictions trying to satisfy the
> > optional
> > > outcomes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If we do find that we run out of CPU
> > cycles
> > > then I'm hoping that
> > > > I'll
> > > > > > > know so much about the code that I can
> > port
> > > the whole thing to a PC
> > > > > > > and release a virtual Poly 800 that will
> > run
> > > on your Linux box.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike H.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogro ups.com
> <mailto:korgpolyex% 40yahoogroups. com>,
> > > "austeritygirlone" <ziggystar@>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogro ups.com
> <mailto:korgpolyex% 40yahoogroups. com>,
> > > "patrioticduo" <patrioticduo@ >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Keep up the good work! After you've
> > > figured out how to controll
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > peripheral synthstuff from the cpu and
> > > written a basic OS, that
> > > > gets
> > > > > > > > somethingn done I'm sure that other
> > people
> > > will join your efforts
> > > > > > > > (like me). But of course doing this is a
> > > major obstacle.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And have you thought about replacing the
> >
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On Sun, 18 Jun 2006, Epiik Soul wrote:

> I can't believe I'm wasting time explaining this but here goes.......
>
> The Poly has 2 oscillators, the Juno only has 1.
> The Poly has 8 voices while the Juno has only 6.
> The Poly has 3 envelopes, the Juno has only 1.
> The Poly has a sequencer, the Juno does not.
> The Poly's voices can be doubled for an incredibly FAT 4 osc - 4 voice poly mode while the Juno tries to sound fat by adding chorus to it's single oscillator. Even if that worked, you can still add chorus on the Poly and blow the Juno away.
> The Poly Mk2 has a digital delay, the Juno does not.
> The Poly can be battery operated and is truly portable, it even has buttons for a strap if you are so inclined. The Juno is not and does not.
> (Score so far...... Poly 8 - Juno 0)
> Don't get me wrong, I like the Juno also.
> It has more keys and more patch memory.
> The Juno is so easy to program that a monkey could do it (probably why you like it) while a Poly takes knowledge, talent and skill (that you obviously lack)
> To state that the Juno is a superior instrument only illustrates your ignorance in such matters.
> To make one final point, the following is taken from the Vintage Synth Explorer website:
>
> "During the time of the Roland Juno series in the mid-80's, Korg offered the Poly-800. Comparable to the Juno and in many ways better, the Poly-800 is an 8 voice polyphonic analog synthesizer with 64 memory patches and up to 50 editable parameters!"
>
> In closing, this group is composed of fans of a truly impressive musical instrument. Most synths are doomed to a rapid and inevitable technological obsolecence that the Poly has avoided. As an engineer, I'm a fan of the terrific job Korg did when designing this flexible little monster. As a musician, I'm still inspired by the sounds possible with it. I've wasted far too much time,but I'm hopeful that some very widely held misconceptions have been laid to rest.
> Perhaps Joseph and Archeologist should join the group that is disassembling the Juno chip.... Is there a group still making technological advancements to the Juno? I don't believe so. Or they can go on thinking that thier beloved Juno's are superior. I know better.
> "anonymous"
>
>
>
>
>
>
> archeologist <archeologist@...> wrote:
> I think the point is very clear.
> The poly 800 is better due to pricing.
> Clearly if it was the same price as a Juno things would be different.
>
> Joseph Ralston wrote:
>
> > No, I don't see what you mean. Please explain what you
> > think the Poly 800 is better at than a Juno 106,
> > musically? I've owned them both and the difference is
> > black and white to me. The poly-800 is fun as hell to
> > hack with (due to it's low price). But hacking up
> > keyboards is not the same thing as making music, and
> > in that area, the JUNO does prevail heavily over the
> > poly-800.
> >
> > lanrosta
> >
> > --- Epiik Soul <electrohead2000@...
> > <mailto:electrohead2000%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
> >
> > > A Juno 106 for $200- is a bargain and I would snap
> > > it up.
> > > However, to say it is better in "every regard" is
> > > a fallacy.
> > > The Poly is cheaper.
> > > See what I mean?
> > > :)
> > >
> > >
> > > Joseph Ralston <voxdestrukt@...
> > <mailto:voxdestrukt%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
> > > Shit, if you can find a JUNO 106 for less
> > > than $200
> > > bucks, then I'd recommend getting that instead
> > > anyways. The JUNO-106 far outweights the Poly800 in
> > > every regard. Or perhaps you meant some other JUNO?
> > >
> > > --- jure zitnik <kokoon@... <mailto:kokoon%40gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > yeah i voted 100$ too. i mean.. i bought the
> > > > poly-800 for like 70$... in
> > > > perfect condition that is. with a case.
> > > >
> > > > jure
> > > >
> > > > On 5/24/06, Tim Bieniosek <tab27@...
> > <mailto:tab27%40drexel.edu>>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What if you added a DB9 or DB25 port on the back
> > > > for an external knob box?
> > > > >
> > > > > The most I'd pay for a kit is $100. After that
> > > > you can just buy a Juno.
> > > > > (sacrilege!)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 24 May 2006, patrioticduo wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I did entertain the idea of replacing the
> > > seven
> > > > segment displays with
> > > > > > a 2x24 backlit LCD. But even that is too much
> > > to
> > > > spend.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > However, I am planning on putting an LCD
> > > > interface onto the retrofit
> > > > > > kit so that I can plug a display in and do
> > > > diagnostics with it. Also,
> > > > > > I have a funny feeling that I may have to use
> > > > the LCD to determine the
> > > > > > exact memory map used for all the parameters
> > > and
> > > > patch space use.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But the cost of the LCD would be too high for
> > > > any retrofit kit. I
> > > > > > mean, when you can pick up all sorts of much
> > > > higher powered
> > > > > > synthesizers for a few hundred bucks what
> > > would
> > > > the point of it all be?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This upgrade is 90% ROM and RAM. A few digital
> > > > pots will allow
> > > > > > controlling some mod's but I simply refuse to
> > > > entertain carving up the
> > > > > > keyboard, drilling holes and messing with the
> > > > external appearance.
> > > > > > This mod is going to be an internal upgrade.
> > > No
> > > > messing up a great
> > > > > > looking vintage keyboard.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I want mine to look like a Poly 800 for my
> > > > grandchildren.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:korgpolyex%40yahoogroups.com>, Marcus
> > > Wilson
> > > > <JB@...> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Speaking of new features, one thing i was
> > > > thinking would be uber cool
> > > > > > > would be to actually display the parameter
> > > > info in the decal showing
> > > > > > > the parameters and ranges, and having
> > > up/down
> > > > switches under the up/
> > > > > > > down parameter switch area. As my own
> > > > experience is in membrane
> > > > > > > switches, getting the switch side of things
> > > is
> > > > pretty simple, its the
> > > > > > > control and the multiplex/demultiplex of the
> > > > parameter info display
> > > > > > > that got too hard.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Imagine seeing all of the parameters on the
> > > > poly displayed, and being
> > > > > > > able to tweak each one at will, instead of
> > > > needing to fumble thru the
> > > > > > > parameters one at a time
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > JB over
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 24/05/2006, at 3:19 PM, jure zitnik
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > if you're planning the digital pot - why
> > > not
> > > > replace the awkward up/
> > > > > > > > down buttons with a rotary encoder? i
> > > guess
> > > > it's an easy job!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > jure
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 5/23/06, patrioticduo
> > > <patrioticduo@...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > I'm trying to keep the scope within the
> > > > realms of sanity.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So I'm placing initial limits on the
> > > > hardware upgrade.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Required outcome: Upgrade the Poly 800 RAM
> > > > and ROM to support
> > > > > > > > additional CPU programming related
> > > > functions. A board will be
> > > > > > > > developed as part of a retrofit kit that
> > > > will plug into the existing
> > > > > > > > ROM socket. The card will have a 2764
> > > EPROM,
> > > > a 6264 RAM, a 74LS138
> > > > > > > > decoder.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Optional outcome: Provide the needed
> > > > hardware to integrate several
> > > > > > > > well established mod's (moog slayer,
> > > 12/24db
> > > > filter switch, etc)
> > > > > into
> > > > > > > > the CPU control and user programming
> > > system.
> > > > Thus, add a 74H174 (6
> > > > > bit
> > > > > > > > latch) and a digital potentiometer and
> > > other
> > > > chips as needed to
> > > > > allow
> > > > > > > > existing and future mod's to be controlled
> > > > by the CPU.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think it very unlikely that we'll run
> > > out
> > > > of CPU cycles handling
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > required outcomes. I think it possible
> > > that
> > > > we may run into CPU
> > > > > cycle
> > > > > > > > restrictions trying to satisfy the
> > > optional
> > > > outcomes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If we do find that we run out of CPU
> > > cycles
> > > > then I'm hoping that
> > > > > I'll
> > > > > > > > know so much about the code that I can
> > > port
> > > > the whole thing to a PC
> > > > > > > > and release a virtual Poly 800 that will
> > > run
> > > > on your Linux box.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike H.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:korgpolyex%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > "austeritygirlone" <ziggystar@>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:korgpolyex%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > "patrioticduo" <patrioticduo@>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Keep up the good work! After you've
> > > > figured out how to controll
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > peripheral synthstuff from the cpu and
> > > > written a basic OS, that
> > > > > gets
> > > > > > > > > somethingn done I'm sure that other
> > > people
> > > > will join your efforts
> > > > > > > > > (like me). But of course doing this is a
> > > > major obstacle.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > And have you thought about replacing the
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-----Mensaje original-----
De: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com [mailto:korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com]En nombre de jure zitnik
Enviado el: lunes, 19 de junio de 2006 17:19
Para: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
Asunto: Re: [korgpolyex] Re: Disassembly update - II

okay i love the poly-800 but you can't seriously compare it to juno...

there's this 'feature' that really lowers poly-800's value: ONE FILTER for all the 8 voices.
there's no real MIDI implementation (except for the most basic note/pitch/breath)

you forgot the juno has a subosc.

they both have DCOs but juno is still a true polyphonic ANALOGUE synth while poly-800 is not. it has digital mod sources and digital voice mixing. i know analogueness can be considered both as an advantage and disadvantage. but definitely advantage for me.

don't get me wrong, i'm all over the poly-800 but i think juno is a different legue. if anything it could be compared to korg's polysix.

cheers,
jure

On 6/19/06, Epiik Soul <electrohead2000@...> wrote:

I can't believe I'm wasting time explaining this but here goes.......

 

The Poly has 2 oscillators, the Juno only has 1.

The Poly has 8 voices while the Juno has only 6.

The Poly has 3 envelopes, the Juno has only 1. 

The Poly has a sequencer, the Juno does not.

The Poly's voices can be doubled for an incredibly FAT 4 osc - 4 voice poly mode while the Juno tries to sound fat by adding chorus to it's single oscillator. Even if that worked, you can still add chorus on the Poly and blow the Juno away.

The Poly Mk2 has a digital delay, the Juno does not. 

The Poly can be battery operated and is truly portable, it even has buttons for a strap if you are so inclined. The Juno is not and does not.

(Score so far...... Poly 8 -  Juno 0)

Don't get me wrong, I like the Juno also.

It has more keys and more patch memory.

The Juno is so easy to program that a monkey could do it (probably why you like it) while a Poly takes knowledge, talent and skill (that you obviously lack)

To state that the Juno is a superior instrument only illustrates your ignorance in such matters.

To make one final point, the following is taken from the Vintage Synth Explorer website:

 

"During the time of the Roland Juno series in the mid-80's, Korg offered the Poly-800. Comparable to the Juno and in many ways better, the Poly-800 is an 8 voice polyphonic analog synthesizer with 64 memory patches and up to 50 editable parameters!"

In closing, this group is composed of fans of a truly impressive musical instrument. Most synths are doomed to a rapid and inevitable technological obsolecence that the Poly has avoided. As an engineer, I'm a fan of the terrific job Korg did when designing this flexible little monster. As a musician, I'm still inspired by the sounds possible with it. I've wasted far too much time,but I'm hopeful that some very widely held misconceptions have been laid to rest.

Perhaps Joseph and Archeologist should join the group that is disassembling the Juno chip.... Is there a group still making technological advancements to the Juno? I don't believe so. Or they can go on thinking that thier beloved Juno's are superior. I know better.

                  "anonymous"

 

 

 

 

 

 

archeologist <archeologist@...> wrote:

I think the point is very clear.
The poly 800 is better due to pricing.
Clearly if it was the same price as a Juno things would be different.

Joseph Ralston wrote:

> No, I don't see what you mean. Please explain what you
> think the Poly 800 is better at than a Juno 106,
> musically? I've owned them both and the difference is
> black and white to me. The poly-800 is fun as hell to
> hack with (due to it's low price). But hacking up
> keyboards is not the same thing as making music, and
> in that area, the JUNO does prevail heavily over the
> poly-800.
>
> lanrosta
>
> --- Epiik Soul <electrohead2000@...
> <mailto: electrohead2000%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> > A Juno 106 for $200- is a bargain and I would snap
> > it up.
> > However, to say it is better in "every regard" is
> > a fallacy.
> > The Poly is cheaper.
> > See what I mean?
> > :)
> >
> >
> > Joseph Ralston < voxdestrukt@...
> <mailto:voxdestrukt%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
> > Shit, if you can find a JUNO 106 for less
> > than $200
> > bucks, then I'd recommend getting that instead
> > anyways. The JUNO-106 far outweights the Poly800 in
> > every regard. Or perhaps you meant some other JUNO?
> >
> > --- jure zitnik <kokoon@... <mailto: kokoon%40gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > > yeah i voted 100$ too. i mean.. i bought the
> > > poly-800 for like 70$... in
> > > perfect condition that is. with a case.
> > >
> > > jure
> > >
> > > On 5/24/06, Tim Bieniosek < tab27@...
> <mailto:tab27%40drexel.edu>>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What if you added a DB9 or DB25 port on the back
> > > for an external knob box?
> > > >
> > > > The most I'd pay for a kit is $100. After that
> > > you can just buy a Juno.
> > > > (sacrilege!)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 24 May 2006, patrioticduo wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I did entertain the idea of replacing the
> > seven
> > > segment displays with
> > > > > a 2x24 backlit LCD. But even that is too much
> > to
> > > spend.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, I am planning on putting an LCD
> > > interface onto the retrofit
> > > > > kit so that I can plug a display in and do
> > > diagnostics with it. Also,
> > > > > I have a funny feeling that I may have to use
> > > the LCD to determine the
> > > > > exact memory map used for all the parameters
> > and
> > > patch space use.
> > > > >
> > > > > But the cost of the LCD would be too high for
> > > any retrofit kit. I
> > > > > mean, when you can pick up all sorts of much
> > > higher powered
> > > > > synthesizers for a few hundred bucks what
> > would
> > > the point of it all be?
> > > > >
> > > > > This upgrade is 90% ROM and RAM. A few digital
> > > pots will allow
> > > > > controlling some mod's but I simply refuse to
> > > entertain carving up the
> > > > > keyboard, drilling holes and messing with the
> > > external appearance.
> > > > > This mod is going to be an internal upgrade.
> > No
> > > messing up a great
> > > > > looking vintage keyboard.
> > > > >
> > > > > I want mine to look like a Poly 800 for my
> > > grandchildren.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:korgpolyex%40yahoogroups.com >, Marcus
> > Wilson
> > > <JB@...> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Speaking of new features, one thing i was
> > > thinking would be uber cool
> > > > > > would be to actually display the parameter
> > > info in the decal showing
> > > > > > the parameters and ranges, and having
> > up/down
> > > switches under the up/
> > > > > > down parameter switch area. As my own
> > > experience is in membrane
> > > > > > switches, getting the switch side of things
> > is
> > > pretty simple, its the
> > > > > > control and the multiplex/demultiplex of the
> > > parameter info display
> > > > > > that got too hard.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Imagine seeing all of the parameters on the
> > > poly displayed, and being
> > > > > > able to tweak each one at will, instead of
> > > needing to fumble thru the
> > > > > > parameters one at a time
> > > > > >
> > > > > > JB over
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 24/05/2006, at 3:19 PM, jure zitnik
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > if you're planning the digital pot - why
> > not
> > > replace the awkward up/
> > > > > > > down buttons with a rotary encoder? i
> > guess
> > > it's an easy job!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > jure
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 5/23/06, patrioticduo
> > <patrioticduo@...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > I'm trying to keep the scope within the
> > > realms of sanity.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So I'm placing initial limits on the
> > > hardware upgrade.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Required outcome: Upgrade the Poly 800 RAM
> > > and ROM to support
> > > > > > > additional CPU programming related
> > > functions. A board will be
> > > > > > > developed as part of a retrofit kit that
> > > will plug into the existing
> > > > > > > ROM socket. The card will have a 2764
> > EPROM,
> > > a 6264 RAM, a 74LS138
> > > > > > > decoder.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Optional outcome: Provide the needed
> > > hardware to integrate several
> > > > > > > well established mod's (moog slayer,
> > 12/24db
> > > filter switch, etc)
> > > > into
> > > > > > > the CPU control and user programming
> > system.
> > > Thus, add a 74H174 (6
> > > > bit
> > > > > > > latch) and a digital potentiometer and
> > other
> > > chips as needed to
> > > > allow
> > > > > > > existing and future mod's to be controlled
> > > by the CPU.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think it very unlikely that we'll run
> > out
> > > of CPU cycles handling
> > > > the
> > > > > > > required outcomes. I think it possible
> > that
> > > we may run into CPU
> > > > cycle
> > > > > > > restrictions trying to satisfy the
> > optional
> > > outcomes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If we do find that we run out of CPU
> > cycles
> > > then I'm hoping that
> > > > I'll
> > > > > > > know so much about the code that I can
> > port
> > > the whole thing to a PC
> > > > > > > and release a virtual Poly 800 that will
> > run
> > > on your Linux box.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike H.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto: korgpolyex%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "austeritygirlone" <ziggystar@>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:korgpolyex%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "patrioticduo" <patrioticduo@>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Keep up the good work! After you've
> > > figured out how to controll
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > peripheral synthstuff from the cpu and
> > > written a basic OS, that
> > > > gets
> > > > > > > > somethingn done I'm sure that other
> > people
> > > will join your efforts
> > > > > > > > (like me). But of course doing this is a
> > > major obstacle.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And have you thought about replacing the
> >
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okay i love the poly-800 but you can't seriously compare it to juno...

there's this 'feature' that really lowers poly-800's value: ONE FILTER for all the 8 voices.
there's no real MIDI implementation (except for the most basic note/pitch/breath)

you forgot the juno has a subosc.

they both have DCOs but juno is still a true polyphonic ANALOGUE synth while poly-800 is not. it has digital mod sources and digital voice mixing. i know analogueness can be considered both as an advantage and disadvantage. but definitely advantage for me.

don't get me wrong, i'm all over the poly-800 but i think juno is a different legue. if anything it could be compared to korg's polysix.

cheers,
jure

On 6/19/06, Epiik Soul <electrohead2000@...> wrote:

I can't believe I'm wasting time explaining this but here goes.......

 

The Poly has 2 oscillators, the Juno only has 1.

The Poly has 8 voices while the Juno has only 6.

The Poly has 3 envelopes, the Juno has only 1. 

The Poly has a sequencer, the Juno does not.

The Poly's voices can be doubled for an incredibly FAT 4 osc - 4 voice poly mode while the Juno tries to sound fat by adding chorus to it's single oscillator. Even if that worked, you can still add chorus on the Poly and blow the Juno away.

The Poly Mk2 has a digital delay, the Juno does not. 

The Poly can be battery operated and is truly portable, it even has buttons for a strap if you are so inclined. The Juno is not and does not.

(Score so far...... Poly 8 -  Juno 0)

Don't get me wrong, I like the Juno also.

It has more keys and more patch memory.

The Juno is so easy to program that a monkey could do it (probably why you like it) while a Poly takes knowledge, talent and skill (that you obviously lack)

To state that the Juno is a superior instrument only illustrates your ignorance in such matters.

To make one final point, the following is taken from the Vintage Synth Explorer website:

 

"During the time of the Roland Juno series in the mid-80's, Korg offered the Poly-800. Comparable to the Juno and in many ways better, the Poly-800 is an 8 voice polyphonic analog synthesizer with 64 memory patches and up to 50 editable parameters!"

In closing, this group is composed of fans of a truly impressive musical instrument. Most synths are doomed to a rapid and inevitable technological obsolecence that the Poly has avoided. As an engineer, I'm a fan of the terrific job Korg did when designing this flexible little monster. As a musician, I'm still inspired by the sounds possible with it. I've wasted far too much time,but I'm hopeful that some very widely held misconceptions have been laid to rest.

Perhaps Joseph and Archeologist should join the group that is disassembling the Juno chip.... Is there a group still making technological advancements to the Juno? I don't believe so. Or they can go on thinking that thier beloved Juno's are superior. I know better.

                  "anonymous"

 

 

 

 

 

 

archeologist <archeologist@...> wrote:

I think the point is very clear.
The poly 800 is better due to pricing.
Clearly if it was the same price as a Juno things would be different.

Joseph Ralston wrote:

> No, I don't see what you mean. Please explain what you
> think the Poly 800 is better at than a Juno 106,
> musically? I've owned them both and the difference is
> black and white to me. The poly-800 is fun as hell to
> hack with (due to it's low price). But hacking up
> keyboards is not the same thing as making music, and
> in that area, the JUNO does prevail heavily over the
> poly-800.
>
> lanrosta
>
> --- Epiik Soul <electrohead2000@...
> <mailto: electrohead2000%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> > A Juno 106 for $200- is a bargain and I would snap
> > it up.
> > However, to say it is better in "every regard" is
> > a fallacy.
> > The Poly is cheaper.
> > See what I mean?
> > :)
> >
> >
> > Joseph Ralston < voxdestrukt@...
> <mailto:voxdestrukt%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
> > Shit, if you can find a JUNO 106 for less
> > than $200
> > bucks, then I'd recommend getting that instead
> > anyways. The JUNO-106 far outweights the Poly800 in
> > every regard. Or perhaps you meant some other JUNO?
> >
> > --- jure zitnik <kokoon@... <mailto: kokoon%40gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > > yeah i voted 100$ too. i mean.. i bought the
> > > poly-800 for like 70$... in
> > > perfect condition that is. with a case.
> > >
> > > jure
> > >
> > > On 5/24/06, Tim Bieniosek < tab27@...
> <mailto:tab27%40drexel.edu>>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What if you added a DB9 or DB25 port on the back
> > > for an external knob box?
> > > >
> > > > The most I'd pay for a kit is $100. After that
> > > you can just buy a Juno.
> > > > (sacrilege!)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 24 May 2006, patrioticduo wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I did entertain the idea of replacing the
> > seven
> > > segment displays with
> > > > > a 2x24 backlit LCD. But even that is too much
> > to
> > > spend.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, I am planning on putting an LCD
> > > interface onto the retrofit
> > > > > kit so that I can plug a display in and do
> > > diagnostics with it. Also,
> > > > > I have a funny feeling that I may have to use
> > > the LCD to determine the
> > > > > exact memory map used for all the parameters
> > and
> > > patch space use.
> > > > >
> > > > > But the cost of the LCD would be too high for
> > > any retrofit kit. I
> > > > > mean, when you can pick up all sorts of much
> > > higher powered
> > > > > synthesizers for a few hundred bucks what
> > would
> > > the point of it all be?
> > > > >
> > > > > This upgrade is 90% ROM and RAM. A few digital
> > > pots will allow
> > > > > controlling some mod's but I simply refuse to
> > > entertain carving up the
> > > > > keyboard, drilling holes and messing with the
> > > external appearance.
> > > > > This mod is going to be an internal upgrade.
> > No
> > > messing up a great
> > > > > looking vintage keyboard.
> > > > >
> > > > > I want mine to look like a Poly 800 for my
> > > grandchildren.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:korgpolyex%40yahoogroups.com >, Marcus
> > Wilson
> > > <JB@...> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Speaking of new features, one thing i was
> > > thinking would be uber cool
> > > > > > would be to actually display the parameter
> > > info in the decal showing
> > > > > > the parameters and ranges, and having
> > up/down
> > > switches under the up/
> > > > > > down parameter switch area. As my own
> > > experience is in membrane
> > > > > > switches, getting the switch side of things
> > is
> > > pretty simple, its the
> > > > > > control and the multiplex/demultiplex of the
> > > parameter info display
> > > > > > that got too hard.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Imagine seeing all of the parameters on the
> > > poly displayed, and being
> > > > > > able to tweak each one at will, instead of
> > > needing to fumble thru the
> > > > > > parameters one at a time
> > > > > >
> > > > > > JB over
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 24/05/2006, at 3:19 PM, jure zitnik
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > if you're planning the digital pot - why
> > not
> > > replace the awkward up/
> > > > > > > down buttons with a rotary encoder? i
> > guess
> > > it's an easy job!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > jure
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 5/23/06, patrioticduo
> > <patrioticduo@...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > I'm trying to keep the scope within the
> > > realms of sanity.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So I'm placing initial limits on the
> > > hardware upgrade.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Required outcome: Upgrade the Poly 800 RAM
> > > and ROM to support
> > > > > > > additional CPU programming related
> > > functions. A board will be
> > > > > > > developed as part of a retrofit kit that
> > > will plug into the existing
> > > > > > > ROM socket. The card will have a 2764
> > EPROM,
> > > a 6264 RAM, a 74LS138
> > > > > > > decoder.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Optional outcome: Provide the needed
> > > hardware to integrate several
> > > > > > > well established mod's (moog slayer,
> > 12/24db
> > > filter switch, etc)
> > > > into
> > > > > > > the CPU control and user programming
> > system.
> > > Thus, add a 74H174 (6
> > > > bit
> > > > > > > latch) and a digital potentiometer and
> > other
> > > chips as needed to
> > > > allow
> > > > > > > existing and future mod's to be controlled
> > > by the CPU.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think it very unlikely that we'll run
> > out
> > > of CPU cycles handling
> > > > the
> > > > > > > required outcomes. I think it possible
> > that
> > > we may run into CPU
> > > > cycle
> > > > > > > restrictions trying to satisfy the
> > optional
> > > outcomes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If we do find that we run out of CPU
> > cycles
> > > then I'm hoping that
> > > > I'll
> > > > > > > know so much about the code that I can
> > port
> > > the whole thing to a PC
> > > > > > > and release a virtual Poly 800 that will
> > run
> > > on your Linux box.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike H.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto: korgpolyex%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "austeritygirlone" <ziggystar@>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:korgpolyex%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "patrioticduo" <patrioticduo@>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Keep up the good work! After you've
> > > figured out how to controll
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > peripheral synthstuff from the cpu and
> > > written a basic OS, that
> > > > gets
> > > > > > > > somethingn done I'm sure that other
> > people
> > > will join your efforts
> > > > > > > > (like me). But of course doing this is a
> > > major obstacle.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And have you thought about replacing the
> >
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Is out there in the list the father inventor of poly or juno???? I miss someone thyat starts fighting for DX-7 too !! :-D

 

Chill out!

 

 

-----Mensaje original-----
De: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com [mailto:korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com]En nombre de jure zitnik
Enviado el: lunes, 19 de junio de 2006 17:19
Para: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
Asunto: Re: [korgpolyex] Re: Disassembly update - II

okay i love the poly-800 but you can't seriously compare it to juno...

there's this 'feature' that really lowers poly-800's value: ONE FILTER for all the 8 voices.
there's no real MIDI implementation (except for the most basic note/pitch/breath)

you forgot the juno has a subosc.

they both have DCOs but juno is still a true polyphonic ANALOGUE synth while poly-800 is not. it has digital mod sources and digital voice mixing. i know analogueness can be considered both as an advantage and disadvantage. but definitely advantage for me.

don't get me wrong, i'm all over the poly-800 but i think juno is a different legue. if anything it could be compared to korg's polysix.

cheers,
jure

On 6/19/06, Epiik Soul <electrohead2000@...> wrote:

I can't believe I'm wasting time explaining this but here goes.......

 

The Poly has 2 oscillators, the Juno only has 1.

The Poly has 8 voices while the Juno has only 6.

The Poly has 3 envelopes, the Juno has only 1. 

The Poly has a sequencer, the Juno does not.

The Poly's voices can be doubled for an incredibly FAT 4 osc - 4 voice poly mode while the Juno tries to sound fat by adding chorus to it's single oscillator. Even if that worked, you can still add chorus on the Poly and blow the Juno away.

The Poly Mk2 has a digital delay, the Juno does not. 

The Poly can be battery operated and is truly portable, it even has buttons for a strap if you are so inclined. The Juno is not and does not.

(Score so far...... Poly 8 -  Juno 0)

Don't get me wrong, I like the Juno also.

It has more keys and more patch memory.

The Juno is so easy to program that a monkey could do it (probably why you like it) while a Poly takes knowledge, talent and skill (that you obviously lack)

To state that the Juno is a superior instrument only illustrates your ignorance in such matters.

To make one final point, the following is taken from the Vintage Synth Explorer website:

 

"During the time of the Roland Juno series in the mid-80's, Korg offered the Poly-800. Comparable to the Juno and in many ways better, the Poly-800 is an 8 voice polyphonic analog synthesizer with 64 memory patches and up to 50 editable parameters!"

In closing, this group is composed of fans of a truly impressive musical instrument. Most synths are doomed to a rapid and inevitable technological obsolecence that the Poly has avoided. As an engineer, I'm a fan of the terrific job Korg did when designing this flexible little monster. As a musician, I'm still inspired by the sounds possible with it. I've wasted far too much time,but I'm hopeful that some very widely held misconceptions have been laid to rest.

Perhaps Joseph and Archeologist should join the group that is disassembling the Juno chip.... Is there a group still making technological advancements to the Juno? I don't believe so. Or they can go on thinking that thier beloved Juno's are superior. I know better.

                  "anonymous"

 

 

 

 

 

 

archeologist <archeologist@...> wrote:

I think the point is very clear.
The poly 800 is better due to pricing.
Clearly if it was the same price as a Juno things would be different.

Joseph Ralston wrote:

> No, I don't see what you mean. Please explain what you
> think the Poly 800 is better at than a Juno 106,
> musically? I've owned them both and the difference is
> black and white to me. The poly-800 is fun as hell to
> hack with (due to it's low price). But hacking up
> keyboards is not the same thing as making music, and
> in that area, the JUNO does prevail heavily over the
> poly-800.
>
> lanrosta
>
> --- Epiik Soul <electrohead2000@...
> <mailto: electrohead2000%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> > A Juno 106 for $200- is a bargain and I would snap
> > it up.
> > However, to say it is better in "every regard" is
> > a fallacy.
> > The Poly is cheaper.
> > See what I mean?
> > :)
> >
> >
> > Joseph Ralston < voxdestrukt@...
> <mailto:voxdestrukt%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
> > Shit, if you can find a JUNO 106 for less
> > than $200
> > bucks, then I'd recommend getting that instead
> > anyways. The JUNO-106 far outweights the Poly800 in
> > every regard. Or perhaps you meant some other JUNO?
> >
> > --- jure zitnik <kokoon@... <mailto: kokoon%40gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > > yeah i voted 100$ too. i mean.. i bought the
> > > poly-800 for like 70$... in
> > > perfect condition that is. with a case.
> > >
> > > jure
> > >
> > > On 5/24/06, Tim Bieniosek < tab27@...
> <mailto:tab27%40drexel.edu>>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What if you added a DB9 or DB25 port on the back
> > > for an external knob box?
> > > >
> > > > The most I'd pay for a kit is $100. After that
> > > you can just buy a Juno.
> > > > (sacrilege!)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 24 May 2006, patrioticduo wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I did entertain the idea of replacing the
> > seven
> > > segment displays with
> > > > > a 2x24 backlit LCD. But even that is too much
> > to
> > > spend.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, I am planning on putting an LCD
> > > interface onto the retrofit
> > > > > kit so that I can plug a display in and do
> > > diagnostics with it. Also,
> > > > > I have a funny feeling that I may have to use
> > > the LCD to determine the
> > > > > exact memory map used for all the parameters
> > and
> > > patch space use.
> > > > >
> > > > > But the cost of the LCD would be too high for
> > > any retrofit kit. I
> > > > > mean, when you can pick up all sorts of much
> > > higher powered
> > > > > synthesizers for a few hundred bucks what
> > would
> > > the point of it all be?
> > > > >
> > > > > This upgrade is 90% ROM and RAM. A few digital
> > > pots will allow
> > > > > controlling some mod's but I simply refuse to
> > > entertain carving up the
> > > > > keyboard, drilling holes and messing with the
> > > external appearance.
> > > > > This mod is going to be an internal upgrade.
> > No
> > > messing up a great
> > > > > looking vintage keyboard.
> > > > >
> > > > > I want mine to look like a Poly 800 for my
> > > grandchildren.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:korgpolyex%40yahoogroups.com >, Marcus
> > Wilson
> > > <JB@...> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Speaking of new features, one thing i was
> > > thinking would be uber cool
> > > > > > would be to actually display the parameter
> > > info in the decal showing
> > > > > > the parameters and ranges, and having
> > up/down
> > > switches under the up/
> > > > > > down parameter switch area. As my own
> > > experience is in membrane
> > > > > > switches, getting the switch side of things
> > is
> > > pretty simple, its the
> > > > > > control and the multiplex/demultiplex of the
> > > parameter info display
> > > > > > that got too hard.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Imagine seeing all of the parameters on the
> > > poly displayed, and being
> > > > > > able to tweak each one at will, instead of
> > > needing to fumble thru the
> > > > > > parameters one at a time
> > > > > >
> > > > > > JB over
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 24/05/2006, at 3:19 PM, jure zitnik
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > if you're planning the digital pot - why
> > not
> > > replace the awkward up/
> > > > > > > down buttons with a rotary encoder? i
> > guess
> > > it's an easy job!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > jure
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 5/23/06, patrioticduo
> > <patrioticduo@...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > I'm trying to keep the scope within the
> > > realms of sanity.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So I'm placing initial limits on the
> > > hardware upgrade.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Required outcome: Upgrade the Poly 800 RAM
> > > and ROM to support
> > > > > > > additional CPU programming related
> > > functions. A board will be
> > > > > > > developed as part of a retrofit kit that
> > > will plug into the existing
> > > > > > > ROM socket. The card will have a 2764
> > EPROM,
> > > a 6264 RAM, a 74LS138
> > > > > > > decoder.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Optional outcome: Provide the needed
> > > hardware to integrate several
> > > > > > > well established mod's (moog slayer,
> > 12/24db
> > > filter switch, etc)
> > > > into
> > > > > > > the CPU control and user programming
> > system.
> > > Thus, add a 74H174 (6
> > > > bit
> > > > > > > latch) and a digital potentiometer and
> > other
> > > chips as needed to
> > > > allow
> > > > > > > existing and future mod's to be controlled
> > > by the CPU.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think it very unlikely that we'll run
> > out
> > > of CPU cycles handling
> > > > the
> > > > > > > required outcomes. I think it possible
> > that
> > > we may run into CPU
> > > > cycle
> > > > > > > restrictions trying to satisfy the
> > optional
> > > outcomes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If we do find that we run out of CPU
> > cycles
> > > then I'm hoping that
> > > > I'll
> > > > > > > know so much about the code that I can
> > port
> > > the whole thing to a PC
> > > > > > > and release a virtual Poly 800 that will
> > run
> > > on your Linux box.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike H.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto: korgpolyex%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "austeritygirlone" <ziggystar@>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:korgpolyex%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "patrioticduo" <patrioticduo@>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Keep up the good work! After you've
> > > figured out how to controll
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > peripheral synthstuff from the cpu and
> > > written a basic OS, that
> > > > gets
> > > > > > > > somethingn done I'm sure that other
> > people
> > > will join your efforts
> > > > > > > > (like me). But of course doing this is a
> > > major obstacle.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And have you thought about replacing the
> >
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On 20 Jun 2006 at 15:32, austeritygirlone wrote:

> I'd like to own one. Unfortunately they seem to have risen in price
> ofer the last two years. I'm owning a DX-7, though and judging by
> samples of the CZ-101 they sound pretty similar. Though the DX-7 has
> undoubtfully the better keyboard and seems in general more powerful,
> the CZ seems to have the better and more (per osc) EGs. How I've
> missed that the DX-7 doesn't have a pitch EG for every single operator
> (osc). This would be so cool...
>
> "the CZ-101 has as many as eight (8) stages for each generator! Both
> oscillators, filters and amplifiers have their own envelope
> generators, so some pretty complex echo, warping and morphing effects
> can be achieved with these."
>
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> I can't believe I'm wasting time explaining this but here goes.......
>
> The Poly has 2 oscillators, the Juno only has 1.
> The Poly has 8 voices while the Juno has only 6.
> The Poly has 3 envelopes, the Juno has only 1.
> The Poly has a sequencer, the Juno does not.
> The Poly's voices can be doubled for an incredibly FAT 4 osc - 4 voice
> poly mode while the Juno tries to sound fat by adding chorus to it's
> single oscillator. Even if that worked, you can still add chorus on
> the Poly and blow the Juno away.
> The Poly Mk2 has a digital delay, the Juno does not.
> The Poly can be battery operated and is truly portable, it even has
> buttons for a strap if you are so inclined. The Juno is not and does not.
> (Score so far...... Poly 8 - Juno 0)
> Don't get me wrong, I like the Juno also.
> It has more keys and more patch memory.
> The Juno is so easy to program that a monkey could do it (probably why
> you like it) while a Poly takes knowledge, talent and skill (that you
> obviously lack)
> To state that the Juno is a superior instrument only illustrates your
> ignorance in such matters.
> To make one final point, the following is taken from the Vintage Synth
> Explorer website:
>
> "During the time of the Roland Juno series in the mid-80's, Korg
> offered the Poly-800. Comparable to the Juno and in many ways better,
> the Poly-800 is an 8 voice polyphonic analog synthesizer with 64
> memory patches and up to 50 editable parameters!"
> In closing, this group is composed of fans of a truly impressive
> musical instrument. Most synths are doomed to a rapid and inevitable
> technological obsolecence that the Poly has avoided. As an engineer,
> I'm a fan of the terrific job Korg did when designing this flexible
> little monster. As a musician, I'm still inspired by the sounds
> possible with it. I've wasted far too much time,but I'm hopeful that
> some very widely held misconceptions have been laid to rest.
> Perhaps Joseph and Archeologist should join the group that is
> disassembling the Juno chip.... Is there a group still making
> technological advancements to the Juno? I don't believe so. Or they
> can go on thinking that thier beloved Juno's are superior. I know better.
> "anonymous"
>
>
>
> *//*
> *//*
> *//*
> */archeologist <archeologist@...>/* wrote:
>
> I think the pointis very clear.
> The poly 800 is better due to pricing.
> Clearly if it was the same price as a Juno things would be different.
>
> Joseph Ralston wrote:
>
> > No, I don't see what you mean. Please explain what you
> > think the Poly 800 is better at than a Juno 106,
> > musically? I've owned them both and the difference is
> > black and white to me. The poly-800 is fun as hell to
> > hack with (due to it's low price). But hacking up
> > keyboards is not the same thing as making music, and
> > in that area, the JUNO does prevail heavily over the
> > poly-800.
> >
> > lanrosta
> >
> > --- Epiik Soul <electrohead2000@...
> <mailto:electrohead2000%40yahoo.com>
> > <mailto:electrohead2000%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
> >
> > > A Juno 106 for $200- is a bargain and I would snap
> > > it up.
> > > However, to say it is better in "every regard" is
> > > a fallacy.
> > > The Poly is cheaper.
> > > See what I mean?
> > > :)
> > >
> > >
> > > Joseph Ralston <voxdestrukt@...
> <mailto:voxdestrukt%40yahoo.com>
> > <mailto:voxdestrukt%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
> > > Shit, if you can find a JUNO 106 for less
> > > than $200
> > > bucks, then I'd recommend getting that instead
> > > anyways. The JUNO-106 far outweights the Poly800 in
> > > every regard. Or perhaps you meant some other JUNO?
> > >
> > > --- jure zitnik <kokoon@... <mailto:kokoon%40gmail.com>
> <mailto:kokoon%40mail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > yeah i voted 100$ too. i mean.. i bought the
> > > > poly-800 for like 70$... in
> > > > perfect condition that is. with a case.
> > > >
> > > > jure
> > > >
> > > > On 5/24/06, Tim Bieniosek <tab27@...
> <mailto:tab27%40drexel.edu>
> > <mailto:tab27%40drexel.edu>>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What if you added a DB9 or DB25 port on the back
> > > > for an external knob box?
> > > > >
> > > > > The most I'd pay for a kit is $100. After that
> > > > you can just buy a Juno.
> > > > > (sacrilege!)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 24 May 2006, patrioticduo wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I did entertain the idea of replacing the
> > > seven
> > > > segment displays with
> > > > > > a 2x24 backlit LCD. But even that is too much
> > > to
> > > > spend.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > However, I am planning on putting an LCD
> > > > interface onto the retrofit
> > > > > > kit so that I can plug a display in and do
> > > > diagnostics with it. Also,
> > > > > > I have a funny feeling that I may have to use
> > > > the LCD to determine the
> > > > > > exact memory map used for all the parameters
> > > and
> > > > patch space use.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But the cost of the LCD would be too high for
> > > > any retrofit kit. I
> > > > > > mean, when you can pick up all sorts of much
> > > > higher powered
> > > > > > synthesizers for a few hundred bucks what
> > > would
> > > > the point of it all be?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This upgrade is 90% ROM and RAM. A few digital
> > > > pots will allow
> > > > > > controlling some mod's but I simply refuse to
> > > > entertain carving up the
> > > > > > keyboard, drilling holes and messing with the
> > > > external appearance.
> > > > > > This mod is going to be an internal upgrade.
> > > No
> > > > messing up a great
> > > > > > looking vintage keyboard.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I want mine to look like a Poly 800 for my
> > > > grandchildren.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:korgpolyex%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailtokorgpolyex%40yahoogroups.com>, Marcus
> > > Wilson
> > > > <JB@...> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Speaking of new features, one thing i was
> > > > thinking would be uber cool
> > > > > > > would be to actually display the parameter
> > > > info in the decal showing
> > > > > > > the parameters and ranges, and having
> > > up/down
> > > > switches under the up/
> > > > > > > down parameter switch area. As my own
> > > > experience is in membrane
> > > > > > > switches, getting the switch side of things
> > > is
> > > > pretty simple, its the
> > > > > > > control and the multiplex/demultiplex of the
> > > > parameter info display
> > > > > > > that got too hard.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Imagine seeing all of the parameters on the
> > > > poly displayed, and being
> > > > > > > able to tweak each one at will, instead of
> > > > needing to fumble thru the
> > > > > > > parameters one at a time
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > JB over
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 24/05/2006, at 3:19 PM, jure zitnik
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > if you're planning the digital pot - why
> > > not
> > > > replace the awkward up/
> > > > > > > > down buttons with a rotary encoder? i
> > > guess
> > > > it's an easy job!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > jure
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 5/23/06, patrioticduo
> > > <patrioticduo@...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > I'm trying to keep the scope within the
> > > > realms of sanity.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So I'm placing initial limits on the
> > > > hardware upgrade.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Required outcome: Upgrade the Poly 800 RAM
> > > > and ROM to support
> > > > > > > > additional CPU programming related
> > > > functions. A board will be
> > > > > > > > developed as part of a retrofit kit that
> > > > will plug into the existing
> > > > > > > > ROM socket. The card will have a 2764
> > > EPROM,
> > > > a 6264 RAM, a 74LS138
> > > > > > > > decoder.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Optional outcome: Provide the needed
> > > > hardware to integrate several
> > > > > > > > well established mod's (moog slayer,
> > > 12/24db
> > > > filter switch, etc)
> > > > > into
> > > > > > > > the CPU control and user programming
> > > system.
> > > > Thus, add a 74H174 (6
> > > > > bit
> > > > > > > > latch) and a digital potentiometer and
> > > other
> > > > chips as needed to
> > > > > allow
> > > > > > > > existing and future mod's to be controlled
> > > > by the CPU.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think it very unlikely that we'll run
> > > out
> > > > of CPU cycles handling
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > required outcomes. I think it possible
> > > that
> > > > we may run into CPU
> > > > > cycle
> > > > > > > > restrictions trying to satisfy the
> > > optional
> > > > outcomes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If we do find that we run out of CPU
> > > cycles
> > > > then I'm hoping that
> > > > > I'll
> > > > > > > > know so much about the code that I can
> > > port
> > > > the whole thing to a PC
> > > > > > > > and release a virtual Poly 800 that will
> > > run
> > > > on your Linux box.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike H.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:korgpolyex%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:korgpolyex40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > "austeritygirlone" <ziggystar@>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:korgpolyex%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:korgpolyex%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > "patrioticduo" <patrioticduo@>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Keep up the good work! After you've
> > > > figured out how to controll
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > peripheral synthstuff from the cpu and
> > > > written a basic OS, that
> > > > > gets
> > > > > > > > > somethingn done I'm sure that other
> > > people
> > > > will join your efforts
> > > > > > > > > (like me). But of course doing this is a
> > > > major obstacle.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > And have you thought about replacing the
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> How about a fourth EG so that noise the filter are separately controlled
> with their own EG's?
>
> And what if we had a fifth EG for resonance. And a six for Ring Mod.

> And programmable 24db/12db filter setting?

> The Alpha Juno 1 or 2 runs ~$150, and beats the Poly-800 in all areas
> except the self-oscillating filter IMO.

> No, I don't see what you mean. Please explain what you think the Poly
> 800 is better at than a Juno 106, musically? I've owned them both and
> the difference is black and white to me. The poly-800 is fun as hell to
> hack with (due to it's low price). But hacking up keyboards is not the
> same thing as making music, and in that area, the JUNO does prevail
> heavily over the poly-800.

> Of course the greatest synth of all time is the CZ-101..............

On Sun, 18 Jun 2006, Joseph Ralston wrote:

> No, I don't see what you mean. Please explain what you think the Poly
> 800 is better at than a Juno 106, musically? I've owned them both and
> the difference is black and white to me. The poly-800 is fun as hell to
> hack with (due to it's low price). But hacking up keyboards is not the
> same thing as making music, and in that area, the JUNO does prevail
> heavily over the poly-800.
============ ======

there's no right or wrong... whatever works best for you is best for you.

i've used the ex-800 on recordings, and i know plenty of people who have
used junos on recordings.

tom (read the story of the moog slayer) wanted me to find him a juno-106.
i tried to talk him out of it, based on his style of music and programming
(among other factors). he didn't listen to me, but he did get rid of it
after a month.

in a lot of ways i could say that my K5000r or FS1r is "better" than my
ex-800, but the ex-800 is still useful because it can do things that my
other beats can't do... one of which is contributing weird bleepy noises
for under $120.

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> I'd like to own one. Unfortunately they seem to have risen in price ofer
> the last two years. I'm owning a DX-7, though and judging by samples of
> the CZ-101 they sound pretty similar. Though the DX-7 has undoubtfully
> the better keyboard and seems in general more powerful, the CZ seems to
> have the better and more (per osc) EGs. How I've missed that the DX-7
> doesn't have a pitch EG for every single operator (osc). This would be
> so cool...
>
> "the CZ-101 has as many as eight (8) stages for each generator! Both
> oscillators, filters and amplifiers have their own envelope generators,
> so some pretty complex echo, warping and morphing effects can be
> achieved with these."

On Tue, 20 Jun 2006, austeritygirlone wrote:

> I'd like to own one. Unfortunately they seem to have risen in price ofer
> the last two years. I'm owning a DX-7, though and judging by samples of
> the CZ-101 they sound pretty similar. Though the DX-7 has undoubtfully
> the better keyboard and seems in general more powerful, the CZ seems to
> have the better and more (per osc) EGs. How I've missed that the DX-7
> doesn't have a pitch EG for every single operator (osc). This would be
> so cool...
>
> "the CZ-101 has as many as eight (8) stages for each generator! Both
> oscillators, filters and amplifiers have their own envelope generators,
> so some pretty complex echo, warping and morphing effects can be
> achieved with these."
============ ========= =

i currently have a CZ-1 and FS1r. long ago, i had a CZ-101 and TX81z.

there are some big similarities between the casio "phase distortion" and
the yamaha FM, as there are also big differences.

one of the biggest differences between them is that the CZ synths are
*much* quicker and easier to program, especially from the front panel. if
i have a sound in my head, i can (almost every time) make it happen much
quicker on a CZ than a DX/TX/FS1r.

just like poly-800 vs juno, whatever works best for you is best for you...
they both work well for me, although the CZ-1 is so damn bulky and heavy.

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> as i understand it, they all use a synth-on-a-chip architecture, with

> chip per voice. apparently those chips are starting to die en masse.
>

>
> I only have the Poly800, a DX-7 and a JX-3P - cheap stuff...
>
> One day I need to get a Jupiter, but it's so damn expensive. I've also
> started working on a SID-based one. It worked on the prototyping
> board, but I'm to lazy to make the PCB. But I would love to make the
> OS. I had a very basic one which played a fixed patch over Midi.
>

> [snip] [Synths we own]

On 23 Jun 2006 at 11:33, jure zitnik wrote:

>
> Korg poly-800
> Korg polysix
> x0xb0x
> Elka X-705 (a huge combo organ that includes elka rhapsody, elka
> soloist and a 2x electronic hammond emulation)
>
> jure
>
> On 6/22/06, mark_r_abcd <mark@...> wrote:
>
> > [snip] [Synths we own]
>
> Poly 800 reverse keys (broken - CPU dead)
> Poly 800 reverse keys (broken - possible TG, see other post)
> Yamaha DX7 MK1 (working)
> Yamaha DX7 MK1 (broken - main/aux CPUs not talking)
> Crumar Bit One (mostly working)
> Elgam EM61 piano/string synth (faulty chorus)
> Crumar Multiman-S string synth (faulty, new chip awaiting fitting)
> JHS Harmonizer string synth (working)
> Yamaha DX21 (working)
> Yamaha CS5 (working)
> Powertran Transcendent 2000 (working)
> Yamaha SY77 (faulty floppy disk drive)
>
> Cheers
>
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>
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> Casio CZ-1, Casio VZ-1, Yamaha TX81z, 2x FS1R, TG77, TX-802, AN200
> Kawai K5000R, Waldorf Microwave PC, Microwave II, microQ
> Clavia Nord Modular G2 Engine, Oberheim Matrix-6
> Roland MT-32, Fantom XR, D550, Korg MicroKorg, Poly 800
> Evolution EVS-1, Ikaron 2 PCI-Synthesizer Card
> Several Softsynths...
>
> ...Summa
>
> On 23 Jun 2006 at 11:33, jure zitnik wrote:
>
> >
> > Korg poly-800
> > Korg polysix
> > x0xb0x
> > Elka X-705 (a huge combo organ that includes elka rhapsody, elka
> > soloist and a 2x electronic hammond emulation)
> >
> > jure
> >
> > On 6/22/06, mark_r_abcd <mark@...
> <mailto:mark%40tandem-cottage.co.uk>> wrote:
> >
> > > [snip] [Synths we own]
> >
> > Poly 800 reverse keys (broken - CPU dead)
> > Poly 800 reverse keys (broken - possible TG, see other post)
> > Yamaha DX7 MK1 (working)
> > Yamaha DX7 MK1 (broken - main/aux CPUs not talking)
> > Crumar Bit One (mostly working)
> > Elgam EM61 piano/string synth (faulty chorus)
> > Crumar Multiman-S string synth (faulty, new chip awaiting fitting)
> > JHS Harmonizer string synth (working)
> > Yamaha DX21 (working)
> > Yamaha CS5 (working)
> > Powertran Transcendent 2000 (working)
> > Yamaha SY77 (faulty floppy disk drive)
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > mark-r
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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De: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com [mailto:korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com]En nombre de archeologist
Enviado el: viernes, 23 de junio de 2006 19:05
Para: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
Asunto: Re: OT - CZ - Re: [korgpolyex] Re: Disassembly update - II -- Synth Roll call

Korg EX-800
Novation Super Bass Station
JoMoX Air Base 99
Juno 60 (with a faulty op amp [i have been told])
Electribe ER-1 (to sequence the JoMoX 808 / 909 style)
SID chip and basic module kit (awaiting construction)
M-Audio Firewire 410

Nige

Summa wrote:

> Casio CZ-1, Casio VZ-1, Yamaha TX81z, 2x FS1R, TG77, TX-802, AN200
> Kawai K5000R, Waldorf Microwave PC, Microwave II, microQ
> Clavia Nord Modular G2 Engine, Oberheim Matrix-6
> Roland MT-32, Fantom XR, D550, Korg MicroKorg, Poly 800
> Evolution EVS-1, Ikaron 2 PCI-Synthesizer Card
> Several Softsynths.. .
>
> ...Summa
>
> On 23 Jun 2006 at 11:33, jure zitnik wrote:
>
> >
> > Korg poly-800
> > Korg polysix
> > x0xb0x
> > Elka X-705 (a huge combo organ that includes elka rhapsody, elka
> > soloist and a 2x electronic hammond emulation)
> >
> > jure
> >
> > On 6/22/06, mark_r_abcd <mark@tandem- cottage.co. uk
> <mailto:mark% 40tandem- cottage.co. uk>> wrote:
> >
> > > [snip] [Synths we own]
> >
> > Poly 800 reverse keys (broken - CPU dead)
> > Poly 800 reverse keys (broken - possible TG, see other post)
> > Yamaha DX7 MK1 (working)
> > Yamaha DX7 MK1 (broken - main/aux CPUs not talking)
> > Crumar Bit One (mostly working)
> > Elgam EM61 piano/string synth (faulty chorus)
> > Crumar Multiman-S string synth (faulty, new chip awaiting fitting)
> > JHS Harmonizer string synth (working)
> > Yamaha DX21 (working)
> > Yamaha CS5 (working)
> > Powertran Transcendent 2000 (working)
> > Yamaha SY77 (faulty floppy disk drive)
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > mark-r
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > SPONSORED LINKS
>
> --
>
> CZ/VZ mailing list : http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/CZsynth
> <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/CZsynth>
> FMHeaven mailing list : http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/fmheaven/
> <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/fmheaven/>
> FS1R mailing list : http://www.ampfea. org/mailman/ listinfo/ fss-list
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> <http://chat. moogulator. com/>
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Korg EX-800
Novation Super Bass Station
JoMoX Air Base 99
Juno 60 (with a faulty op amp [i have been told])
Electribe ER-1 (to sequence the JoMoX 808 / 909 style)
SID chip and basic module kit (awaiting construction)
M-Audio Firewire 410

Nige

Summa wrote:

> Casio CZ-1, Casio VZ-1, Yamaha TX81z, 2x FS1R, TG77, TX-802, AN200
> Kawai K5000R, Waldorf Microwave PC, Microwave II, microQ
> Clavia Nord Modular G2 Engine, Oberheim Matrix-6
> Roland MT-32, Fantom XR, D550, Korg MicroKorg, Poly 800
> Evolution EVS-1, Ikaron 2 PCI-Synthesizer Card
> Several Softsynths.. .
>
> ...Summa
>
> On 23 Jun 2006 at 11:33, jure zitnik wrote:
>
> >
> > Korg poly-800
> > Korg polysix
> > x0xb0x
> > Elka X-705 (a huge combo organ that includes elka rhapsody, elka
> > soloist and a 2x electronic hammond emulation)
> >
> > jure
> >
> > On 6/22/06, mark_r_abcd <mark@tandem- cottage.co. uk
> <mailto:mark% 40tandem- cottage.co. uk>> wrote:
> >
> > > [snip] [Synths we own]
> >
> > Poly 800 reverse keys (broken - CPU dead)
> > Poly 800 reverse keys (broken - possible TG, see other post)
> > Yamaha DX7 MK1 (working)
> > Yamaha DX7 MK1 (broken - main/aux CPUs not talking)
> > Crumar Bit One (mostly working)
> > Elgam EM61 piano/string synth (faulty chorus)
> > Crumar Multiman-S string synth (faulty, new chip awaiting fitting)
> > JHS Harmonizer string synth (working)
> > Yamaha DX21 (working)
> > Yamaha CS5 (working)
> > Powertran Transcendent 2000 (working)
> > Yamaha SY77 (faulty floppy disk drive)
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > mark-r
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > SPONSORED LINKS
>
> --
>
> CZ/VZ mailing list : http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/CZsynth
> <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/CZsynth>
> FMHeaven mailing list : http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/fmheaven/
> <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/fmheaven/>
> FS1R mailing list : http://www.ampfea. org/mailman/ listinfo/ fss-list
> <http://www.ampfea. org/mailman/ listinfo/ fss-list>
> Vokator mailing list : http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vokator
> <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vokator>
>
> Wellenform Chat So and Do 22.00 CET: http://chat. moogulator. com/
> <http://chat. moogulator. com/>
>
>
>
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>
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>
> Marcus,
>
> I think you had said that you had the MSM5232 datasheet in paper form.
>
> I would love to get my hands on that datasheet because although I have
> been able to reverse engineer the existing code, I know the MSM is
> capable of some white noise sounds (since it does this in several
> arcade games).
>