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moog slayer pots

moog slayer pots

2006-04-05 by jure zitnik

hello, i'd just like to ask how much difference would it make if i
used 47k pots instead of 50k ones? 50k pots are quite difficult to get
here. maybe if i wire a resistor in serial?

thanks
jure

Re: [korgpolyex] moog slayer pots

2006-04-05 by Atom Smasher

On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, jure zitnik wrote:

> hello, i'd just like to ask how much difference would it make if i used
> 47k pots instead of 50k ones? 50k pots are quite difficult to get here.
> maybe if i wire a resistor in serial?
===============

47K pots should be fine.


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Re: [korgpolyex] moog slayer pots

2006-04-06 by jure zitnik

yeah i did it yesterday and it's fine. the only thing i'll change is
to replace the resonance pot with a linear one. the lower half of
resonance range has practically zero effect and at ~3 o'clock it jumps
straight into self-oscillation.
anyone using a linear pot for resonance?

i also did the filter 2/4pole switch and i LOVE the 12db/oct response!
i like it TONS better than the original 24db/oct! i really recommend
that to everyone.

then i was trying to make DCO->VCF modulation but i found out that the
DCO outputs are offset by +5VDC or so... i kinda figured that out
without an oscilloscope - just with a multimeter and
wires->mixer->soundcard and trial and error. is that true? what's the
easiest way to drop that signal down 5VDC? i think it can make quite a
nice mod.

other things i'm looking at is modding the chorus LFO to make it
variable rate. marjan urekar wrote he did that. any ideas?

cheers,
jure

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On 4/5/06, Atom Smasher <atom@...> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, jure zitnik wrote:
>
> > hello, i'd just like to ask how much difference would it make if i used
> > 47k pots instead of 50k ones? 50k pots are quite difficult to get here.
> > maybe if i wire a resistor in serial?
> ===============
>
> 47K pots should be fine.
>
>
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Re: moog slayer pots

2006-04-06 by austeritygirlone

I don't own an oscilloscope myself. But if the DCO outputs are offset
by +5V, thus oscillating around +5V you can make a symmetrical signal,
thus one that oscillates around +0V, simply by running it serially
through a capacitor, removing the very low frequencies. Select it
large enough to let all desired frequencies pass nicely. Then you
could control the voltage range by a potentiometer. This would most
probably be a nice mod. I'm not looking at the schematics, but since
you now have two drivers for one input (VCF-Cutoff), you should
connect them through a resistor or something, so that you don't create
any short circuit.

I'm new to this stuff, so please correct me if something is wrong. :)

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> then i was trying to make DCO->VCF modulation but i found out that the
> DCO outputs are offset by +5VDC or so... i kinda figured that out
> without an oscilloscope - just with a multimeter and
> wires->mixer->soundcard and trial and error. is that true? what's the
> easiest way to drop that signal down 5VDC? i think it can make quite a
> nice mod.

Re: [korgpolyex] Re: moog slayer pots

2006-04-06 by jure zitnik

hehe i'm even more new to this stuff and i really don't understand how
running AC signal through a cap eliminates the DC offset... shouldn't
that eliminate the high frequencies (and thus the oscillation)?

jure

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On 4/6/06, austeritygirlone <ziggystar@...> wrote:
> I don't own an oscilloscope myself. But if the DCO outputs are offset
> by +5V, thus oscillating around +5V you can make a symmetrical signal,
> thus one that oscillates around +0V, simply by running it serially
> through a capacitor, removing the very low frequencies. Select it
> large enough to let all desired frequencies pass nicely. Then you
> could control the voltage range by a potentiometer. This would most
> probably be a nice mod. I'm not looking at the schematics, but since
> you now have two drivers for one input (VCF-Cutoff), you should
> connect them through a resistor or something, so that you don't create
> any short circuit.
>
> I'm new to this stuff, so please correct me if something is wrong. :)
>
>
> > then i was trying to make DCO->VCF modulation but i found out that the
> > DCO outputs are offset by +5VDC or so... i kinda figured that out
> > without an oscilloscope - just with a multimeter and
> > wires->mixer->soundcard and trial and error. is that true? what's the
> > easiest way to drop that signal down 5VDC? i think it can make quite a
> > nice mod.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: moog slayer pots

2006-04-06 by austeritygirlone

A cap can be considered as a frequency dependant resistor. High freqs
can pass and low freqs can't.

Have a look at this picture:

http://www.elecdesign.com/Files/29/1478/Figure_01.gif

The +5V offset can be considered a very, very low frequency (f->0).

On the other hand you can construct a lp filter, by "shortening" the
high frequencies through a cap. Then you have to take the signal from
before the cap, because the low frequencies stay there.

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> hehe i'm even more new to this stuff and i really don't understand how
> running AC signal through a cap eliminates the DC offset... shouldn't
> that eliminate the high frequencies (and thus the oscillation)?
>
> jure

Re: [korgpolyex] Re: moog slayer pots

2006-04-06 by jure zitnik

ah cheers, will look into it!

jure

On 4/6/06, austeritygirlone <ziggystar@...> wrote:
> A cap can be considered as a frequency dependant resistor. High freqs
> can pass and low freqs can't.
>
> Have a look at this picture:
>
> http://www.elecdesign.com/Files/29/1478/Figure_01.gif
>
> The +5V offset can be considered a very, very low frequency (f->0).
>
> On the other hand you can construct a lp filter, by "shortening" the
> high frequencies through a cap. Then you have to take the signal from
> before the cap, because the low frequencies stay there.
>
>
> > hehe i'm even more new to this stuff and i really don't understand how
> > running AC signal through a cap eliminates the DC offset... shouldn't
> > that eliminate the high frequencies (and thus the oscillation)?
> >
> > jure
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [korgpolyex] Re: moog slayer pots

2006-04-06 by Atom Smasher

On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, jure zitnik wrote:

> hehe i'm even more new to this stuff and i really don't understand how
> running AC signal through a cap eliminates the DC offset... shouldn't
> that eliminate the high frequencies (and thus the oscillation)?
======================

gimme a few weeks... if i don't post details about how to add this to a
moog slayer then start harassing me.


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Re: [korgpolyex] Re: moog slayer pots

2006-04-06 by jure zitnik

awesome! you the man!

jure

On 4/6/06, Atom Smasher <atom@...> wrote:
On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, jure zitnik wrote:

> hehe i'm even more new to this stuff and i really don't understand how
> running AC signal through a cap eliminates the DC offset... shouldn't
> that eliminate the high frequencies (and thus the oscillation)?
======================

gimme a few weeks... if i don't post details about how to add this to a
moog slayer then start harassing me.


--

...atom

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Re: [korgpolyex] moog slayer pots

2006-04-08 by Atom Smasher

On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, jure zitnik wrote:

> yeah i did it yesterday and it's fine. the only thing i'll change is to
> replace the resonance pot with a linear one. the lower half of resonance
> range has practically zero effect and at ~3 o'clock it jumps straight
> into self-oscillation. anyone using a linear pot for resonance?
=================

try using different resonance settings in the DCF (parameter 42). you may
want to change some settings after the mod to find the range of the knob
that works best.


> i also did the filter 2/4pole switch and i LOVE the 12db/oct response! i
> like it TONS better than the original 24db/oct! i really recommend that
> to everyone.
===================

does that sound more like an oberheim?


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Re: [korgpolyex] moog slayer pots

2006-04-08 by jure zitnik

dunno, haven't had a chance to play with an oberheim, but AFAIK
they're all 12db/oct so it could be closer to that, yeah. the sound is
much more raw and dirty. it's also quite a bit louder so it overloads
differently and sooner. i'm totally charmed by it!
and it's really an easy mod - just put a switch from PIN5/PIN6 of the
filter IC before the C103 cap. i'll probably try to put a pot there to
mix the 2 signals. it should be interesting due to the different phase
responses from the filters.

jure

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On 4/8/06, Atom Smasher <atom@...> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, jure zitnik wrote:
>
> > yeah i did it yesterday and it's fine. the only thing i'll change is to
> > replace the resonance pot with a linear one. the lower half of resonance
> > range has practically zero effect and at ~3 o'clock it jumps straight
> > into self-oscillation. anyone using a linear pot for resonance?
> =================
>
> try using different resonance settings in the DCF (parameter 42). you may
> want to change some settings after the mod to find the range of the knob
> that works best.
>
>
>
> > i also did the filter 2/4pole switch and i LOVE the 12db/oct response! i
> > like it TONS better than the original 24db/oct! i really recommend that
> > to everyone.
> ===================
>
> does that sound more like an oberheim?
>
>
> --
>
> ...atom
>
> ________________________
> http://atom.smasher.org/
> 762A 3B98 A3C3 96C9 C6B7 582A B88D 52E4 D9F5 7808
> -------------------------------------------------
>
> "I recognize that a class of criminals and juvenile
> delinquents has taken to calling themselves
> 'hackers', but I consider them irrelevant to the
> true meaning of the word; just as the Mafia calls
> themselves 'businessmen' but nobody pays that fact
> any attention."
> -- Robert Bickford
>
>
>
>
>
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